4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[harpolini]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

One word..


Content.
8K is too much for 35mm, that tops out at about 6K so unless you're watching films post 2017 your out of luck

I browsed through every film shot 100% on 65/70mm and only about 8 were titles that could ever see a release and half of those wouldn't sell well. Content is right.

I guess I'm just gripping that 4K won't be enough for films like Lawrence, which current 4K/Blu-ray release for all its strides left me disappointing when compared to the 70mm print I saw years ago.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by harpolini

I browsed through every film shot 100% on 65/70mm and only about 8 were titles that could ever see a release and half of those wouldn't sell well. Content is right.

I guess I'm just gripping that 4K won't be enough for films like Lawrence, which current 4K/Blu-ray release for all its strides left me disappointing when compared to the 70mm print I saw years ago.

I think that the Blu-ray 4K Restoration of Lawrence Of Arabia tops any possible 70mm Print unless it comes directly from the negative...

Keep in mind that the 4K restoration itself is painstaking and it comes from an 8K Scan

[harpolini]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

I think that the Blu-ray 4K Restoration of Lawrence Of Arabia tops any possible 70mm Print unless it comes directly from the negative...

Keep in mind that the 4K restoration itself is painstaking and it comes from an 8K Scan

I'm re watching the "Lawrence at 50: A Classic Restored" feature with great admiration. The digital cleanup of print damage and colorization well exceed the work done in the 88' restoration. However the sheer detail of the 70mm print I saw blew it out of the water. I still distinctly remember that opening shot of the motorcycle and seeing ever bump and crevice in the leather seat.

But perhaps there is room for 4K in the home and films like Lawrence should always been seen in a theater.

[dvdmike]

Lawrence can look better. But it will be a shed load of time before that happens

[reanimator]

The fact we're debating if a home video format looks as good as a 70mm print speaks volumes.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by reanimator

The fact we're debating if a home video format looks as good as a 70mm print speaks volumes.

We are not far off eclipsing it

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by reanimator

The fact we're debating if a home video format looks as good as a 70mm print speaks volumes.

Well, with the digital technology available today to restore classics, I'm not surprised.
Some of the work done on the new restoration was unthinkable in 1962 and in 1988 too

If this gets released in true 4K not badly compressed, it's gonna be way better than any 70mm print.....

I think the Blu-ray is already astonishing....

I hope to see this in 4K at my local theater one day, I don't need 4K at home as I have "small" screens....

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

Well, with the digital technology available today to restore classics, I'm not surprised.
Some of the work done on the new restoration was unthinkable in 1962 and in 1988 too

If this gets released in true 4K not badly compressed, it's gonna be way better than any 70mm print.....

I think the Blu-ray is already astonishing....

I hope to see this in 4K at my local theater one day, I don't need 4K at home as I have "small" screens....

It's already on movie unlimited 4k correct me if wrong

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

It's already on movie unlimited 4k correct me if wrong

IIRC it is available to those with the Sony X1 and X10 media players.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

It's already on movie unlimited 4k correct me if wrong

You are right, but I think it's a little too compressed. I think the Blu-ray might be better in that regard....

And the Japanese Mastered in 4K version split on two discs for sure...

[reanimator]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

I think the Blu-ray is already astonishing....

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

IIRC it is available to those with the Sony X1 and X10 media players.

The BD really is truly magnificent, and kind of hard to imagine it looking much better -- but I've seen enough 4K to know it can. I strongly suspect it will be among the first UHD-BD titles from Sony.

[Canada]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

I think that the Blu-ray 4K Restoration of Lawrence Of Arabia tops any possible 70mm Print unless it comes directly from the negative...

Keep in mind that the 4K restoration itself is painstaking and it comes from an 8K Scan

Joe Kane was saying that to get the most out of 4K that we will have to go to 6 or 8K scans to see the most out of 4K.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Canada

Joe Kane was saying that to get the most out of 4K that we will have to go to 6 or 8K scans to see the most out of 4K.

It's always better to oversample, just like with audio.

[Brightstar]

Originally Posted by Gamma_Winstead

Star Wars, Indiana Jones, the MCU, and Alien are my big ones. Of course, there's smaller films I'll gladly upgrade to. There's just a fine line of "small upgrade" and "big upgrade" that I'm waiting for.

If Dolby Atmos becomes standard for 4kBD than I'll be in for sure.

That's what we allway's say to ourselves but we end up upgrading everything You guys may allready know this but it took 3 years to restore Lawrence Of Arabia

[Kirsty_Mc]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

You can do that on 4k, 4 1080p views for an f1 race maybe or...

Not at 4K resolution!

[vargo]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

I don't see it for home adoption, not everything crosses over

It's not logical to think they will just stop at 4K. The CE industry needs to push new stuff. With such tight margins they are depending on you to buy a new TV in 5 years time, and another one after that and so forth.

So they need to come up with new features or upgrades. They're not all necessary or logical, they often make something daft and let the marketing department worry about selling it (eg curved screens).

It's easy to guess about what they'll push in the near future because we're hearing about it already. But eventually they will come back to resolution as the 'must have' upgrade, if only because it's the easiest from an R&D perspective.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by vargo

It's not logical to think they will just stop at 4K. The CE industry needs to push new stuff. With such tight margins they are depending on you to buy a new TV in 5 years time, and another one after that and so forth.

So they need to come up with new features or upgrades. They're not all necessary or logical, they often make something daft and let the marketing department worry about selling it (eg curved screens).

It's easy to guess about what they'll push in the near future because we're hearing about it already. But eventually they will come back to resolution as the 'must have' upgrade, if only because it's the easiest from an R&D perspective.

How long did color SD TVs sell well? And that was, it seems, a more robust technology (lifespan) with not much wiggle room to add new features to spur sales. It basically was down to picture size, the slight differences in. PQ and brand quality reputation.

There is going to be diminishing returns to the average consumer who buys the most TVs when it comes to more expensive TVs with higher resolution that they see only modest PQ improvement. I think 4k and beyond will be like 3D, niche and not going to generate massive sales.

[KRW1]

Of course we'll get 8k in the home. Not now, in a few years, but 4k is definitely just a step. There's no logical reason to believe that the worlds R&D departments are going to get together and decide 'oh well, we'd best stop there, no-one has the room for a 100" set'.

They'll find ways of making a 100" set fit in with whatever living arrangements the consumers of 2022 have. Be it fold up screens, see through window type screens or short throw projection, I've no idea; if I did, I wouldn't be here, I'd be coining it in somewhere making predictions and investments.

Don't get hung up on movies either, there are other reasons for 8k. If you don't think you will at least have the option of watching the Superbowl in 8k at home in 2025, I'll take that bet anyday.

As for the 'average consumer', of course they'll buy the sets in the same way the 'average consumer' today has no option other than to buy an HD large, widescreen flatscreen type of thing. It's like arguing in 1999 that the average consumer would still want to buy a square telly in 2012 because that's what they currently had.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by KRW1

Of course we'll get 8k in the home. Not now, in a few years, but 4k is definitely just a step. There's no logical reason to believe that the worlds R&D departments are going to get together and decide 'oh well, we'd best stop there, no-one has the room for a 100" set'.

They'll find ways of making a 100" set fit in with whatever living arrangements the consumers of 2022 have. Be it fold up screens, see through window type screens or short throw projection, I've no idea; if I did, I wouldn't be here, I'd be coining it in somewhere making predictions and investments.

Don't get hung up on movies either, there are other reasons for 8k. If you don't think you will at least have the option of watching the Superbowl in 8k at home in 2025, I'll take that bet anyday.

As for the 'average consumer', of course they'll buy the sets in the same way the 'average consumer' today has no option other than to buy an HD large, widescreen flatscreen type of thing. It's like arguing in 1999 that the average consumer would still want to buy a square telly in 2012 because that's what they currently had.

Content. And broadcasting. It took a long time to just get here and broadcast/cable is still 1080i. I remember not that Long ago watching football games in standard definition. So you're talking 10 years from now everyone's going to have 100 inch television set with 8K? Seriously doubt it. Especially if 4K flops.

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Content. And broadcasting. It took a long time to just get here and broadcast/cable is still 1080i. I remember not that Long ago watching football games in standard definition. So you're talking 10 years from now everyone's going to have 100 inch television set with 8K? Seriously doubt it. Especially if 4K flops.

You can doubt whatever you like, it's coming. I didn't say everyone, I said you'd have the option. Big difference. And as for Broadcast/cable, I don't think I mentioned them at all.

4k isn't going to flop, it's already here. The process has started, every set manufactured will be 4k before long, if it isn't already. In a few years you simply wont have the option of purchasing a plain 1080p set in the same way you cant' buy an SD set new now and it's getting tricky to buy a 720p one.

You can argue against progress all you like but the idea that technology is going to stop improving and developing because you aren't ready for it is, well, at the very least ironic considering your stance on digital purchasing.