4K Movies Releases

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

That's My Boy (2012)
DCP:4096 x 1716 (4K scope)
xxGB ( ummm, perhaps to discuss at another time…unless someone out there can tell me what the typical DCP encoding system defaults to (in terms of MBit/s for 2K content, which is where I’m going with the point), if so, then I’ll spill the beans right now on the size (GB)

Now becomes today.

96 GB
^ I may discuss the implications of such at a later date when I have more time. Meanwhile, my wife and I are both off today and must do some errands which include filling up the tank. In that regard, Dubstar , we’re not nearly as entertaining as this couple that made Jay Leno’s Pumpcast News, the lady does a sweeeeet Sweet Dreams ….

http://www.nbc.com/the-tonight-show/...part-1/n36557/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

96 GB

^In a nutshell, one point being, 2 hour 2K DCPs are normally on the order of more than 100 GB… for example -

Anna Karenina (2012)
Deluxe Digital Cinema
DCP 2048 x 858 (2K scope)
195 GB
Run Time: 2:09:30
Credits Start: 2:03:23
5.1 Audio

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

^In a nutshell, one point being, 2 hour 2K DCPs are normally on the order of more than 100 GB…

So, what does this all mean? It means, why even produce a 4K DCP for D-Cinema exhibition quality if you’re going to bit starve the encoding to less than 100 GB. If you run the math, in essence what has taken place is that a 4K rez motion picture has almost been turned into a 2K rez motion picture.

[Penton-Man]

Batman Begins (2005)
DCP (part of "The Dark Knight Trilogy" marathon):

Warner Bros./Technicolor Digital Cinema
4096 x 1716 (4K scope)
253 GB
Run Time: 2:19:53
Credits Start: 2:10:47
5.1 Audio

[Penton-Man]

To PeterTHX and other Trekkies –

After I posted this earlier today…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...mp#post7542631 someone PM’ed me the following YouTube clip (apparently almost 5 million hits in less than a week) to round out everything imaginably Hobbit-related….

Zachary Quinto vs. Leonard Nimoy: "The Challenge" - YouTube

Context, credit Variety…http://variety.com/2013/digital/news...el-1200476808/
I had no idea of the background ^.

[Penton-Man]

Django Unchained(2012)

4K DCP
Technicolor Digital Cinema
DCP 4096 x 1716
286 GB
Run Time: 2:45:11
5.1 Audio

[Penton-Man]

^ Though, for perspective, real-world 4K movie D-Cinema hardware implementation of delivered 4K DCPs….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...me#post7546009

[kristoffer]

Joe Kane on 4K.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1471727/joe-kane-on-4k

Doesn't sound like most people will notice any difference. I saw 4K this week on the 84" LG and maybe it was tiny bit sharper that was it.

Sounds like added colorspace might be the greatest step forward.

[Penton-Man]

kris,
I don’t have time to watch the videoclip, I even missed his presentation at the last SMPTE Hollywood Section meeting (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...oe#post7457699 but, I can tell you if Joe strongly asserts that…'most people will not notice any difference' then, as executives in the Blu-ray industry didn’t think much of Joe during and after the format war, I guess pretty much all executives in the consumer electronics industry won’t think much of him now with his comments about 4K.

Is there an accurate synopsis or transcript of what he said online anywhere? I would be particularly interested about what he exactly said about increased bit depth and gamma as it relates to D-Cinema, if indeed he covered that topic. I’m also wondering if the interview indicates that Joe doesn’t see the BIG picture, i.e. the last paragraph here… https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...al#post7325076

As an aside, just reading the OP (#1) of that AVS thread, if people are making a big deal out of calling UHD ‘2160p’ (rather than ‘4K’), they simply don’t understand the value of marketing speak nor realize how few pixels will need to be cropped in order to do the proper 4000 -> 3840 conversion step, as indicated here over a year ago–
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...op#post5724086

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

kris,
I don’t have time to watch the videoclip, I even missed his presentation at the last SMPTE Hollywood Section meeting (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...oe#post7457699 but, I can tell you if Joe strongly asserts that…'most people will not notice any difference' then, as executives in the Blu-ray industry didn’t think much of Joe during and after the format war, I guess pretty much all executives in the consumer electronics industry won’t think much of him now with his comments about 4K.

For those newer members to the now seasoned home media format known as Blu-ray, who didn’t understand what I was referring to by the above statement, I meant that this time around (with 4K), I sincerely hope that Joe isn’t throwing the baby (4K) out with the bath water (first generation 4K), like he did back in the day with the baby (Blu-ray) and mpeg2 (the bath water) as you’ll hear, if memory serves, about ¾ into the interview given to a French videophile audience here -
http://www.cinenow.co.uk/videos/320-...hd-dvd-formats

Because, for #1, as Joe conveniently failed to mention in his snapshot of the state of HD software (Blu-ray), Sony was actively investigating using advanced codes around the time of Joe’s interview….

“Don also briefly touched on the fact that Sony is investigating using AVC and/or VC-1 (they have had Microsoft in to demonstrate it). He did say that they are likely to adopt AVC rather than VC-1, but I suppose time will tell…. http://www.avforums.com/forums/blu-r...on-eklund.html

And, for #2, I don’t think that mpeg2 was quite as poor as Joe portrayed it, if you carefully read the response of the observer in the demo when comparing the sample of Black Hawk Down to its D5 master. I would say, not bad for an interim Blu-ray codec before AVC became fully baked. Granted it was much less efficient than AVC or VC-1 but of course HD DVD *the superior quality format* didn’t have working 50 GB discs.

And, most importantly for #3, if the goal was to provide consumers with ‘the best quality format’, Joe also conveniently failed to mention that the data bandwidth capability for HD DVD was 30 Mbit/s compared to 48 Mbit/s for Blu-ray, as I don’t remember hearing that in the interview either.

So, the point is, as I noted yesterday, unlike with his tunnel-visioned assessment of Blu-ray back in the day, I hope Joe realizes that it is important is to provide a migration path to the 'ideal' world of the new standard (4K) and that pathway is being blazed by first generation 4K and the consumers who purchase them…which should be a personal decision.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

French videophile audience...

Reminds me, when I get more time to check the correct spelling translation of some foreign films, I’ll post a very short mini-list of international films (and perhaps some commercials, etc.) which constitute original 4K cinematic content, but which imbd has no technical information on (or, perhaps not even any listing of, as of this date)….because most readers I assume have never heard about them but nevertheless are worthwhile to keep an eye on for the quality of their delivered imagery.

I speak a little French so, right now, I can contribute the flick..Même pas mal

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

So, the point is, as I noted yesterday, unlike with his tunnel-visioned assessment of Blu-ray back in the day, I hope Joe realizes that it is important is to provide a migration path to the 'ideal' world of the new standard (4K) and that pathway is being blazed by first generation 4K and the consumers who purchase them…which should be a personal decision.

Joe always seems to get it wrong. He had an interview with Gary Reber (who also always gets it wrong) when DVD launched and they sat and lamented how their beloved LaserDisc format was being discarded in favor of this new "inferior" format. They actually proposed a "Super LaserDisc" format using 12" discs and digital video encoding! Reading that interview made me facepalmed so hard that the palm indent is still on my face after 15 years!

[Penton-Man]

^ I’m not one much for celebrity ‘video gurus’ nor, for that matter, celebrity Blu-ray reviewers. I’m much more interested in the people, and what they do, whom most hobbyists never really hear much about because they are too busy conducting controlled scientific studies like this (last paragraph) -

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ge#post7536518

[ortrko]

wow over 250GB for 4K. No thanks, i'll keep my 50gb 1080p

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by ortrko

wow over 250GB for 4K. No thanks, i'll keep my 50gb 1080p

I take it the DCPs are still compressed, albeit a lot less than MPEG-4? JPEG2000 is lossy, yes? What codec does the DI use?

I could see a 100 GB H265 BDXL disc working for 4k movies...

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by ortrko

wow over 250GB for 4K. No thanks, i'll keep my 50gb 1080p

So does that mean you’re one of those projectionists who has been ripping from the Blu-ray disc and transferring it to the main server at your Cineplex?.....jk

Keep in mind, if one is a picture quality cinephile, you kind of like to see those larger JPEG2000 file sizes because prevailing wisdom suggests that when one is projecting digital images on a BIG screen, less compression translates into higher resolution.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by singhcr

I take it the DCPs are still compressed...

Definitely, but just for the record, JPEG 2000 also supports a mathematically lossless compression mode which makes it possible to recreate the original image without any loss of information. This isn’t used in the DCP but could be used for archiving high quality material...http://www.media-matters.net/docs/Wh...ers/WPMJ2k.pdf

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Reminds me, when I get more time to check the correct spelling translation of some foreign films, I’ll post a very short mini-list of international films (and perhaps some commercials, etc.) which constitute original 4K cinematic content, but which imbd has no technical information on (or, perhaps not even any listing of, as of this date)….because most readers I assume have never heard about them but nevertheless are worthwhile to keep an eye on for the quality of their delivered imagery.

I speak a little French so, right now, I can contribute the flick..Même pas mal

F/U post....

Saheb Biwi Aur Gangster (India)
The After-Dinner Mysteries (Japan)
O Tempe e o Vento (Brazil)
Vikas Behl's Queen (India)

And just so I don’t leave out our Georgian (U.S. membership):
No Good Deed (U.S.A.)

[Penton-Man]

Something I always get, but yesterday I received some more PMs (more than usual) as to what is the significance of my avatar or what does it mean?

I’ll answer all those PMs here en masse with a F/U film-making post. Just give me a little time to hunt down the appropriate visual aids so I don’t have to do too much off-topic typing. In short, it’s all motor-sickle related. In the meantime, to give all those PMers a little idea as to what it means, I recently made this post in reference to The Great Escape…. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=677

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

...I’ll post a very short mini-list of international films (and perhaps some commercials, etc.) which constitute original 4K cinematic content...

I’ve been alerted by my colleagues (of Man United persuasion) that there has been yet another ManU retirement announced today…that of a world class (possibly one of the best?) soccer players to cross a football…and a damn good free kick specialist too, Becks -
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...tires/2165689/

ergo, as a F/U post to the bolded portion of the quote above, yes, this was shot in 4K -

H&M David Beckham Bodywear! Commercial - YouTube

^ I personally most appreciate the 1 min. mark of the video and wonder who those four lounging around in the sunroom of their Bev Hills mansion are actually waiting for….lucky guy.