The Last Guardian

[Toxa]

here we go

[The Apocalypse]

The game will ship when it's "absolutely ready" whatever that means.

http://www.officialplaystationmagazi...hip-says-sony/

[Elandyll]

I wonder if "in the end" (whenever that comes or means), TLG will be regarded as the "Swan Song" of the PS3 era, like God of War 2 was considered in regard to the PS2.
hunch tells me "Fall / summer 2013", close to the PS4 release.

Can't wait to play it, that's for sure, and I hope it delivers as much as it looks it will.

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

I wonder if "in the end" (whenever that comes or means), TLG will be regarded as the "Swan Song" of the PS3 era, like God of War 2 was considered in regard to the PS2.
hunch tells me "Fall / summer 2013", close to the PS4 release.

Can't wait to play it, that's for sure, and I hope it delivers as much as it looks it will.

When the PS4 is announced and shows up, I wouldn't expect it for sale until another 2 years after that.

[Mavrick]

Sony has abandoned "The Last Guardian" Trademark.

Maybe a few reasons why, but you do need to show that a trademark will be used commercially in order to keep it.


So worst case it's completely dead.

It's getting a name change.

Or what I think is most likely if it is still in development that it's been moved on to PS4 and will have a new title.

[Snicket]

Here we go...

[kristoffer]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

Sony has abandoned "The Last Guardian" Trademark.

Maybe a few reasons why, but you do need to show that a trademark will be used commercially in order to keep it.


So worst case it's completely dead.

It's getting a name change.

Or what I think is most likely if it is still in development that it's been moved on to PS4 and will have a new title.

Do you have a source?

[SirMontyPython]

Originally Posted by kristoffer

Do you have a source?

Mavrick is the source, that's all YOU need to know!

[tarvis]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

Or what I think is most likely if it is still in development that it's been moved on to PS4 and will have a new title.

If a large portion of whatever work had so far been completed was scrapped and development has been moved to the Playstation 4, assuming the rumours of completely new architecture are true, I commend Sony's willingness to continue paying wages to a team that has not released a finished product in seven years. On top of having employees from Sony Santa Monica assist in development. I can't imagine the Ico / Shadow of the Colossus release on the PS3 sold enough copies to allow a "The Last Guardian" to be profitable.

[SirMontyPython]

Originally Posted by tarvis

If a large portion of whatever work had so far been completed was scrapped and development has been moved to the Playstation 4, assuming the rumours of completely new architecture are true, I commend Sony's willingness to continue paying wages to a team that has not released a finished product in seven years. On top of having employees from Sony Santa Monica assist in development. I can't imagine the Ico / Shadow of the Colossus release on the PS3 sold enough copies to allow a "The Last Guardian" to be profitable.

So the only way to be profitable is to advance it for next gen consoles right?

[Elandyll]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news...dian-Trademark

Sony Abandons The Last Guardian Trademark
SARAH LEBOEUF | 9 AUGUST 2012 11:08 AM


A trademark status change indicates that Team Ico's The Last Guardian may be canceled.

More than three years after its announcement, Team Ico's The Last Guardian is still missing in action. After its E3 2009 reveal, the spiritual successor to Ico and Shadow of the Colossus was given a vague 2011 release window. That year came and went without any updates about The Last Guardian; meanwhile, the game's executive producer quit and GameStop removed the pre-order listing from its system. Though many held onto hope that the game was still in development, The Last Guardian's trademark was abandoned earlier this week, indicating that it may never be released.

On Monday, August 6, the formerly active trademark changed to "abandoned - no statement of use filed," with a Notice of Abandonment being sent off to Sony. The trademark listing changed "because the applicant failed to file for a statement of use or an extension of time," suggesting that Sony has no use for the name The Last Guardian anymore.

Despite rumors to the contrary, Sony has repeatedly insisted that The Last Guardian is not dead. The trademark can be revived or reinstated if Sony petitions to do so within two months, so hope isn't completely lost. However, if the publisher couldn't hang onto the trademark past its expiration date, it seems unlikely that it will make any efforts to recover it.

This being said, it's through inaction... Could it be that someone did not file in time?
Sony has been contacted, so we'll see if they re-file after that.

[tarvis]

Originally Posted by SirMontyPython

So the only way to be profitable is to advance it for next gen consoles right?

I don't think so. Because you've been paying a team to develop something for seven years. Then having the programmers switch platforms adds more time to development. On top of taking developers away from another project to assist on the vaporware (Santa Monica). Plus it's a single platform release. Barring some kind of Vita port. Limiting sales even further. At least in the case of, say, Gran Turismo 5, there wasn't much in the way of competition.

If the game is released with enough marketing, I don't doubt that it will sell marginally well. I just wonder if it'll be enough. You know, Team Bondi.

[SirMontyPython]

That's crazy....lifting people's spirits, crushing them, but reviving them and giving some kinda pretense that this is somehow still alive? I'll believe it when it's released...

[The Apocalypse]

Originally Posted by SirMontyPython

That's crazy....lifting people's spirits, crushing them, but reviving them and giving some kinda pretense that this is somehow still alive? I'll believe it when it's released...

Between this and Final Fantasy Versus XIII? Hard to tell which will be released first.

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by EclipseSSD

Between this and Final Fantasy Versus XIII? Hard to tell which will be released first.

I'd put my money on FFXIII-Versus first because SE don't have as long and as delayed a record of not releasing games even after a long wait.

Tbh, i think Jap developers need to get their crap in gear. They're getting beat left right and centre in modern console development. It's hard to believe that Kaizen actually originated from this culture.

I'm not suprised they do so badly outside of their native country these days when you almost every year without fail receive a great franchise entry or something that just keeps improving while all these guys do is put out a teaser for 5 years and never show gameplay. Just talk the talk.

GTA and Rockstar are the only other guys i can think of in the west with slightly higher than expected development times in regards to others but when you consider how much bigger and more interactive their worlds are than others and 'lived in' you understand why it takes so long because each and every thing is a charcater unto itself. You don't have to have that much complexity in a JRPG that's not an open world based game. Most are in fact on closed and linear paths which makes it all the more shocking such delays are allowed to go unchecked.

I think they had serious internal arguements which is why they had those key people resign and tbh, if they were in my company and not produced anything to sell after 2 years and that's being generous, i'd have fired them. There is not an excuse in hell why they couldn't produce a good/great game and release it in that time scale

[SirMontyPython]

Originally Posted by NARMAK

I'd put my money on FFXIII-Versus first because SE don't have as long and as delayed a record of not releasing games even after a long wait.

Tbh, i think Jap developers need to get their crap in gear. They're getting beat left right and centre in modern console development. It's hard to believe that Kaizen actually originated from this culture.

I'm not suprised they do so badly outside of their native country these days when you almost every year without fail receive a great franchise entry or something that just keeps improving while all these guys do is put out a teaser for 5 years and never show gameplay. Just talk the talk.

GTA and Rockstar are the only other guys i can think of in the west with slightly higher than expected development times in regards to others but when you consider how much bigger and more interactive their worlds are than others and 'lived in' you understand why it takes so long because each and every thing is a charcater unto itself. You don't have to have that much complexity in a JRPG that's not an open world based game. Most are in fact on closed and linear paths which makes it all the more shocking such delays are allowed to go unchecked.

I think they had serious internal arguements which is why they had those key people resign and tbh, if they were in my company and not produced anything to sell after 2 years and that's being generous, i'd have fired them. There is not an excuse in hell why they couldn't produce a good/great game and release it in that time scale

.....not even writer's block?

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by SirMontyPython

.....not even writer's block?

It's impossible to get writers block in videogame world unless you're a one man band trying to create the whole game. How in the hell do you get writers block in a team of say 5+? You don't.

I think Jap developers have sat on their arses for far too long and they're finally getting a kick up the backside to perform in line with industry expectations. 2-3 years is almost 1 too many these days so how in the hell Jap developers get away with 5+ in beyond me

I mean, would you seriously want a car that costs you £50 a week for 7 years straight to keep and continually repair in a garage and never ever even get the opportunity to even drive it? Even if that car was meant to be a Ferrari or something, i doubt you'd make your money back after selling. You'd face a loss.

Now before somebody says 'oh really?' i'll say yeah, a car no matter how desirable will always sell for a heck of a lot less if it's a fixer upper and especially if it's been in and out for repairs. Chances are you're always going to lose money

[RaijinUT]

Originally Posted by EclipseSSD

Between this and Final Fantasy Versus XIII? Hard to tell which will be released first.

Bigger question is if either one will not suck after being delayed for years upon years.

[Snicket]

Originally Posted by RaijinUT

Bigger question is if either one will not suck after being delayed for years upon years.

At this point is is safe to say that either will ever see the light of day?

[RaijinUT]

Originally Posted by Snicket

At this point is is safe to say that either will ever see the light of day?

I wouldn't bet on either coming out, but I would say that Square would be more likely to save face by releasing their game.

Either way I will be shocked if either company confirms that these titles are dead until the 760 / PS4 is released. That way they can let them slip peacefully into the night and avoid unwanted issues.