List of 4K film transfers on Blu-ray shot on film (non-digitally shot) - Page 37 - Blu-ray Forum

BozQ · 08-20-2013, 08:05 AM

Thumbs up Penton.
I'll try and check out the ARRI FTP when I get home.

TDSOTM · 08-21-2013, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

Jaws was scanned at 4K not 6K.

A 6K scan would've been pointless anyway seeing as it was shot on 35mm film.

Some people argue that a 35mm negative has the resolution of 6K.

"The information is on the negative — 35mm film captures the equivalent of 6K and a color bit depth of 14 bits plus."

http://www.theasc.com/ac_magazine/Ju...ight/page5.php

42041 · 08-21-2013, 05:38 PM

A new negative and the one used on Jaws in 1975 would have pretty different capabilities. Combined with the less-than-stellar optics of the lenses they used, 4K probably scraped off 99.9% of whatever was on that film.
Even for a new negative, 6K is very generous. The scanner might still resolve something, but the actual recorded image detail tops out well before you've resolved the last dustings of grain in the emulsion, and that point is well before 6K. Is that stuff worth calling "resolution"? Maybe, maybe not, but a 6k digital image would murder a 6k scan of regular color film detail/clarity-wise...

TDSOTM · 08-22-2013, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by L'armée des ombres

Spider-Man 2

I guess the link should be changed to https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Spide...Blu-ray/74576/. The original release didn't feature a 4K transfer.

If The Dark Knight Rises is listed, then The Dark Knight should also be listed. The IMAX scenes were scanned at 6K and 8K and the 35mm scenes were scanned at 4K. What happened after that and is another story.

http://www.theasc.com/ac_magazine/Ju...ight/page5.php

Also, the term "transfer" should be changed to "master" because none of these films feature a 2K or a 4K or a 6K transfer. They were mastered at those resolutions and then downsampled to 1080p for Blu-ray.

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Originally Posted by L'armée des ombres

Dr. No (007)

Here's the correct link: https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Dr-No-Blu-ray/971/

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Originally Posted by L'armée des ombres

Master, The (8K & 6K transfer)

It'd be good if you noted that 8K was for 65mm scenes and 6K was for 35mm scenes.

Great job with this thread, L'armée des ombres

TDSOTM · 08-22-2013, 02:04 AM

Suggestion for a new title:

List of 4K+ Masters for Movies Shot on Film

L'armée des ombres · 08-23-2013, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by TDSOTM

I guess the link should be changed to https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Spide...Blu-ray/74576/. The original release didn't feature a 4K transfer

Well it actually did have a 4K DI

Dr.No fixed

TDSOTM · 08-23-2013, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by L'armée des ombres

Well it actually did have a 4K DI

Dr.No fixed

You do realize that having a 4K DI is not the same as having a 4K master for a Blu-ray release, right?

L'armée des ombres · 08-23-2013, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TDSOTM

You do realize that having a 4K DI is not the same as having a 4K master for a Blu-ray release, right?

yes

you will find somewhere in this thread a link to the original Blu being a 4K transfer!

TDSOTM · 08-23-2013, 03:42 AM

Found it. Looks like 1 and 3 are 2K, while 2 is 4K.

Spider-Man 3 didn't even have a 4K DI. Weird.

BozQ · 08-23-2013, 06:43 AM

Hmm. I watched Spider-Man 3 in 4K in cinemas last time.

TDSOTM · 08-23-2013, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BozQ

Hmm. I watched Spider-Man 3 in 4K in cinemas last time.

4K cinemas weren't even around back in 2007.

Scholer · 08-23-2013, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Scholer

And you can add Grapes of Wrath, How Green was my Valley and Zorba the Greek too. Their Amazon Japan Descriptions mention 4K Transfers

http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B...w_bottom_links

http://www.amazon.co.jp/æ€’ã‚Šã®è‘¡...rapes+of+Wrath

http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B...w_bottom_links

No wonder these turned out to be 4k, all of them are examplery transfers and among the best out there.

What about adding these?

Geoff D · 08-23-2013, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TDSOTM

Found it. Looks like 1 and 3 are 2K, while 2 is 4K.

Spider-Man 3 didn't even have a 4K DI. Weird.

The VFX was upscaled from 2K (par for the course) and the final filmout was done at 2K, but the DI was worked on at 4K.

http://www.theasc.com/ac_magazine/Ma...Man3/page3.php

http://www.tapestockonline.com/tote4kspdipi.html

BozQ · 08-23-2013, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TDSOTM

4K cinemas weren't even around back in 2007.

Yes they were.
https://www.google.com.sg/url?sa=t&s...51156542,d.bmk

http://pro.sony.com/bbsccms/ext/SXRD/cinema.shtml\
There is also a press release link at the bottom of the page that reads "SONY SXRD PROJECTORS SNARE AUDIENCES WORLDWIDE AT PREMIERE SCREENING OF "SPIDER-MAN 3" IN FULL 4K RESOLUTION"
Unfortunately, the report is no longer available. But I can guarantee you, 4K cinema was already availabe back then. Albeit, at a premium price.

I can't quite remember, but I think I did have to pay slightly more for 4K. It's been six years after all.

L'armée des ombres · 08-23-2013, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Scholer

What about adding these?

For a blurb on Amazon it's really hard to add these....find a cover photo with a 4K sticker and i'll gladly add them.

Scholer · 08-23-2013, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by L'armée des ombres

For a blurb on Amazon it's really hard to add these....find a cover photo with a 4K sticker and i'll gladly add them.

Man it's not a blurb. Amazon Japan Descriptions are facsimilies of what is written on the back covers. And for further proof check the descriptions of other confirmed 4K Fox Transfers, they all say 4K. While those not from 4K Scans like 12 Angry Men say clearly 'from new high definition master'. But if you still need cover pics I will try to get them.

L'armée des ombres · 08-23-2013, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Scholer

Man it's not a blurb. Amazon Japan Descriptions are facsimilies of what is written on the back covers. And for further proof check the descriptions of other confirmed 4K Fox Transfers, they all say 4K. While those not from 4K Scans like 12 Angry Men say clearly 'from new high definition master'. But if you still need cover pics I will try to get them.

It's just that Amazon has not been over the years the most accured source for technical info

The Rider · 08-24-2013, 03:00 AM

What is with the Terminator and Braveheart ?

MifuneFan · 08-24-2013, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by L'armée des ombres

It's just that Amazon has not been over the years the most accured source for technical info

I'd say that anything so specific as mentioning a 4K transfer for the film is solid enough evidence. Its not like Amazon is making that up on their on. I think the greatness of those transfers also support the case of them being 4K scans

Penton-Man · 08-25-2013, 12:08 AM

Flash back about two weeks ago to 8/12/2013 - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...zz#post7966615

Flash forward to yesterday

– “The 4K restoration of All the Jazz will be used as the master for a new Blu-Ray release of the film, and to create 4K Digital Cinema Packages (the digital equivalent of a film print) for repertory cinemas”
^ from…..http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/gal...8990#8-release

Ergo, no release date (yet) - https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/All-T...Blu-ray/70455/

But indeed, upcoming.

View Poll Results: Should i make this a 4K DI only thread or continue the way it is ?
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08-20-2013, 08:05 AM	#721
BozQ Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Singapore 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:-	Thumbs up Penton. I'll try and check out the ARRI FTP when I get home.

08-21-2013, 05:38 PM	#723
42041 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Oct 2008	A new negative and the one used on Jaws in 1975 would have pretty different capabilities. Combined with the less-than-stellar optics of the lenses they used, 4K probably scraped off 99.9% of whatever was on that film. Even for a new negative, 6K is very generous. The scanner might still resolve something, but the actual recorded image detail tops out well before you've resolved the last dustings of grain in the emulsion, and that point is well before 6K. Is that stuff worth calling "resolution"? Maybe, maybe not, but a 6k digital image would murder a 6k scan of regular color film detail/clarity-wise...

08-22-2013, 02:04 AM	#725
TDSOTM Senior Member Top contributor Member since:May 2013	Suggestion for a new title: List of 4K+ Masters for Movies Shot on Film

08-23-2013, 03:42 AM	#729
TDSOTM Senior Member Top contributor Member since:May 2013	Found it. Looks like 1 and 3 are 2K, while 2 is 4K. Spider-Man 3 didn't even have a 4K DI. Weird.

08-23-2013, 06:43 AM	#730
BozQ Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Singapore 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:-	Hmm. I watched Spider-Man 3 in 4K in cinemas last time.

08-24-2013, 03:00 AM	#738
The Rider Special Member Member since:Dec 2012	What is with the Terminator and Braveheart ?

08-25-2013, 12:08 AM	#740
Penton-Man Retired Hollywood Insider Member since:Apr 2007	Flash back about two weeks ago to 8/12/2013 - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...zz#post7966615 Flash forward to yesterday – “The 4K restoration of All the Jazz will be used as the master for a new Blu-Ray release of the film, and to create 4K Digital Cinema Packages (the digital equivalent of a film print) for repertory cinemas” ^ from…..http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/gal...8990#8-release Ergo, no release date (yet) - https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/All-T...Blu-ray/70455/ But indeed, upcoming.

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