G.I. Joe : Retaliation 3D Blu-ray (2013) [Region Free] [Theatrical Cut only] [GI]

[Impossible]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Okay, I'll debate this. Brightness, contrast, CGI, and other effects are done by the actual crew working on the film either during the production or post-production period. They are all part of the same project.

A film that was entirely shot in 2D, then is revisited by technicians at a studio to convert it in 3D is an totally different animal. This would be an entirely separate project. Do you think anyone at Fox contacted McTiernan or any of film crew concerning Predator 3D or what about Proyas and his crew for I, Robot? You'd be naive to think so.

Now, in the case of this G.I. sequel it could have been the original film crew that did the 2D to 3D conversion although that is doubtful. Also, even if they did does that make it right? If the director wanted the film or portions of it shot in 3D don't you think he would have procured some 3D cameras.

The film doesn't belong to the director, it belongs to the studio. It is THEIR film, NOT the directors, so they can do with it as they wish. That's like saying someone in a bakery OWNS the cookies they bake, sorry it's a nice fantasy, but it just isn't true!

3D conversion is an art form. Now you may not agree with that, but it is. If the studio who pays for the film (and the directors wage) decides to add that art form to THEIR film then it is up to them to make that decision, not the directors, especially in the case of a director for hire on some big dumb franchise. The conversion in fact has NOTHING to do with the director and his inclusion in the process is more out of courtesy than anything else.

HIS version, the 2D version HE made, is always available for he and whoever else wishes to watch it to view it, so if you don't like 3D STFU and go watch the 'Directors Approved (though in reality they probably have no say over pretty much anything anyways) 2D Cut' .

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Impossible

The film doesn't belong to the director, it belongs to the studio. It is THEIR film, NOT the directors, so they can do with it as they wish. That's like saying someone in a bakery OWNS the cookies they bake, sorry it's a nice fantasy, but it just isn't true!

3D conversion is an art form. Now you may not agree with that, but it is. If the studio who pays for the film (and the directors wage) decides to add that art form to THEIR film then it is up to them to make that decision, not the directors, especially in the case of a director for hire on some big dumb franchise. The conversion in fact has NOTHING to do with the director and his inclusion in the process is more out of courtesy than anything else.

HIS version, the 2D version HE made, is always available for he and whoever else wishes to watch it to view it, so if you don't like 3D STFU and go watch the 'Directors Approved (though in reality they probably have no say over pretty much anything anyways) 2D Cut' .

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[540Blue]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

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LOL, wow

[Impossible]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

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ROTFL

er just which part broke the forum rules LOOOOOOOOL

[Paul H]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

A film shot entirely in 2D has no business being converted to 3D, period.

Narrow-minded intolerance is a weak foundation for fashioning artistic development.

Originally Posted by Taygan315

I value your opinion HD Goofnut....but I'm with killowertz. Just because you have issue with it, doesn't mean everyone else will. You believe in what you say...as does killowertz. And I can argue the point of 3D conversions of films shot entirely in 2D. Look at Titanic, Top Gun, Beauty and The Beast, The Lion King. Those 2D films were given GREAT 3D conversions. They may be few and far between....but there has been some success of 3D conversions. I don't consider myself a sucker for 3D conversions. I consider myself a consumer who likes to have options. More options and choices, the better.

Well said! Some great new experiences were made possible with these classics.

Originally Posted by Impossible

The film doesn't belong to the director, it belongs to the studio. It is THEIR film, NOT the directors, so they can do with it as they wish.

Don't know about any film director who would sign away artistic control with an agreement like that.

HD Goofnut, your opinions have always been regarded with appreciable value. Your passion for 2D is understood, it's just that 3D conversion to many enthusiasts is a changing principal, along with professionally supervised artistic visions.

Peace,

Paul

[Jsmith82]

Originally Posted by Impossible

ROTFL

er just which part broke the forum rules LOOOOOOOOL

The part where you amongst others disagreed with his statement - don't you know the internet is a place where we all align with each other in a single flowing stream of unanimous thinking?

[Impossible]

Originally Posted by Paul H

Narrow-minded intolerance is a weak foundation for fashioning artistic development.

Well said! Some great new experiences were made possible with these classics.
Don't know about any film director who would sign away artistic control with an agreement like that.

HD Goofnut, your opinions have always been regarded with appreciable value. Your passion for 2D is understood, it's just that 3D conversion to many enthusiasts is a changing principal, along with professionally supervised artistic visions.

Peace,

Paul

It's a nice fantasy that directors have final control over everything but unless they work totally independent of the studio system it is a total myth.

Bigger directors with their own production company attached to a studio have more say yes, but definitely not directors for hire.

'Here director of a couple of Step it Up sequels and a Justin Beiber movie, take this $200 million and make the new GI Joe sequel. no really we aren't joking, we give you total control over ever aspect of it, seriously we mean it'

Dream on...

[tama]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

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hahaha they're gonna change your status from blu-ray count to Mr. Hall monitor

[Clinton3779]

So GI Joe hey?

[BleedOrange11]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

A film that was entirely shot in 2D, then is revisited by technicians at a studio to convert it in 3D is an totally different animal. This would be an entirely separate project. Do you think anyone at Fox contacted McTiernan or any of film crew concerning Predator 3D or what about Proyas and his crew for I, Robot? You'd be naive to think so.

Now, in the case of this G.I. sequel it could have been the original film crew that did the 2D to 3D conversion although that is doubtful. Also, even if they did does that make it right? If the director wanted the film or portions of it shot in 3D don't you think he would have procured some 3D cameras.

I, Robot and Predator and, even moreso, the infamous German conversions are kind of off in a grey area, being shoddily converted by alogrithms with the input of a few technicians in a short period of time. I would tend to agree with your viewpoint if all conversions were like that.

Projects like Titanic and Jurassic Park and Top Gun, however, were revisited and supervised by the original directors with a team of technicians, and they look ten times better than I, Robot to the point where almost everyone feels the 3D slightly improves the experience. The same goes for Pixar re-rendering their 2D films and consulting the original directors. They are essentially attempting to revitalize and improve their classic films. If you want the old original 2D experience, that's still available, but here's this new version that we think is the best the film has ever looked.

In the case of new, original projects, some directors (probably not all of them) actually aim to make a 3D movie and (unfortunately) choose 3D conversion, rather than a 3D camera rig to achieve their goal. Take Tim Burton and Frankenweenie or Barry Sonnerfield and MIB3 as sure examples. They wanted their films in 3D from the start and designed everything for a 3D conversion in post-production, intending audiences to see them that way, sort of like Méliès painting his films in color in post-production.

Here is my understanding of what happened with G.I. Joe 2. Someone can correct me if I've missed something. The studio hired Chu, a director experienced with flashy choreography in native 3D, but would only give him the budget for 2D. He made it in 2D, and it got awful screening reviews, so the studio delayed it to do re-shoots and a 3D conversion. Chu went back and designed the re-shoots and post-production stereo CGI to be seen in 3D and supervised the conversion. It's probably kind of a mix of shots re-worked for 3D and shots designed for 3D. That's obviously not ideal, but it's certainly worth seeing the work of those artists in 3D. From the look of the trailers, it's not the type of film that I would bother watching in 2D anyway.

[Zivouhr]

GI Joe's 3D conversion. I remember this was set around August 2012 for a 2D only release last year, so maybe about 8 or 9 months to convert it to 3D the last minute. I think they did one heck of a job despite the errors. It's great we have a 2D and a 3D version to watch. The action scenes were cool, good fighting, easy to follow most times, nice fire fights and cool gadgets, special effects, vehicles. Fun movie (despite a few clunky one liners).

Can't wait to check out Jurassic Park's 3D conversion this week also.

[mseeley]

Originally Posted by Zivouhr

Yeah, Wolverine I wasn't expecting to see, and it looks very cool. Along with the impressive 3D.

How did you like the Snake Eyes scene on the mountains? Lots of pop outs that made me flinch back, and the 3D layers were super strong. Lady Jaye was a highlight of the movie also.

I was glad Cobra Commander

[Show spoiler]got his reflective face shield this time which looked cool, but now he just needs more personality as in the original cartoon series, with that high pitched raspy voice. I'll admit some of the dialog one liners were cheesy, but the movie didn't take itself too seriously, so no big deal. I wish Bruce Willis had a bigger role and I miss seeing an army of Cobra Troops to fight an army of GI Joes, which was missing this time it seemed, replaced with the secret service under Cobra's command.

The Snake Eyes sequence was phenomenal and easily the 3d highlight of the film. The fight sequence was very cleverly thought out imo.

I was also disappointed that Bruce Willis didn't have a larger role, but the film is such a fun turn-off your brain flick that such grievances don't matter too much for now lol. Really excited and happy that Paramount is officially moving forward with GI Joe 3! Plus it sounds like they'll be able to film in Native 3d this time *drool* xD

[OfficialPG]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

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Pump your brakes commissioner forum police no need for snitching because someone doesn't agree with you.

[levcore]

Saw this on Saturday and really enjoyed it. The highlight of course was the mountain sequence, just amazing. I waqs kind of miffed that the best sequence was in the middle of the movie, as i felt the finale was a little flat for a movie like this. Also the sequence with all the world leaders launching their nukes was just unbelievably ridiculous and one of the most unintentionally hilarious scenes i've ever seen in a movie.

I thought the 3D was great throughout, really awesome conversion.

[Jsmith82]

Originally Posted by levcore

Saw this on Saturday and really enjoyed it. The highlight of course was the mountain sequence, just amazing. I waqs kind of miffed that the best sequence was in the middle of the movie, as i felt the finale was a little flat for a movie like this. Also the sequence with all the world leaders launching their nukes was just unbelievably ridiculous and one of the most unintentionally hilarious scenes i've ever seen in a movie.

I thought the 3D was great throughout, really awesome conversion.

Awesome, thanks for the review Levcore - that's what I wanted to hear (great 3d). I probably will not catch this in the theater but pick it up when it hits the shelves later this year.

[palmeiro]

Originally Posted by levcore

Saw this on Saturday and really enjoyed it. The highlight of course was the mountain sequence, just amazing. I waqs kind of miffed that the best sequence was in the middle of the movie, as i felt the finale was a little flat for a movie like this. Also the sequence with all the world leaders launching their nukes was just unbelievably ridiculous and one of the most unintentionally hilarious scenes i've ever seen in a movie.

I thought the 3D was great throughout, really awesome conversion.

Glad 3D was great everywhere else. MY theater, however, had such a horrible crosstalk that I couldn't pay attention to the movie when I watched it last night. I watched many IMAX 3D movies at the exact same screen and sat in almost same exact seat and never had this problem. So I was annoyed with whoever messed that up at the theater. But, even with triple images my eyes were seeing sometimes, the mountain sequence was still fantastic. I want to check it out at some other iMAX 3D screen so I can watch it without any distraction but with Jurassic Park 3D coming out this weekend, I'm assuming most theater will stop playing this on their IMAX screen starting Friday. Oh well, there's always blu-ray 3D which will probably come out in about 3 months.

[fitprod]

Originally Posted by palmeiro

Glad 3D was great everywhere else. MY theater, however, had such a horrible crosstalk that I couldn't pay attention to the movie when I watched it last night. I watched many IMAX 3D movies at the exact same screen and sat in almost same exact seat and never had this problem. So I was annoyed with whoever messed that up at the theater. But, even with triple images my eyes were seeing sometimes, the mountain sequence was still fantastic. I want to check it out at some other iMAX 3D screen so I can watch it without any distraction but with Jurassic Park 3D coming out this weekend, I'm assuming most theater will stop playing this on their IMAX screen starting Friday. Oh well, there's always blu-ray 3D which will probably come out in about 3 months.

I saw this at a preview at Arclight Hollywood (not the dome) on Tues night, and there definitely problems with cross talk in a couple scenes. I don't think they were 3D projection issues, I believe it was the actual conversion.

There were two scenes that really stood out, and the errors were in the backgrounds. When they're attacking the missile silo, there was a shot where there's a long shot, and I think a missile is standing on the left side of the screen. To the right of it, the walkway that was going into the background looked to include 3 images. The same issue also happened during a scene where Roadblock, Flint and Lady Jaye are walking down a New Orleans street, and you can see some of the houses exhibiting the same issue.

I say this is a conversion issue because: 1. I've never actually seen this type of error, when watching any 3D film in the theater. 2. The errors were so clean, it didn't look like cross talk at all. (Whenever I've seen cross talk, theatrically or on a home system, it just a distinct offset type of error, I've never seen this triple image type error.)

The glasses being used were the X-pand shutter glasses, which seem to be less prone to cross talk errors. Usually when they drop out they go to 2D, and the whole image will be out of whack, and this was not the problem.

fitprod

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Okay, I'll debate this. Brightness, contrast, CGI, and other effects are done by the actual crew working on the film either during the production or post-production period. They are all part of the same project.

A film that was entirely shot in 2D, then is revisited by technicians at a studio to convert it in 3D is an totally different animal. This would be an entirely separate project. Do you think anyone at Fox contacted McTiernan or any of film crew concerning Predator 3D or what about Proyas and his crew for I, Robot? You'd be naive to think so.

Now, in the case of this G.I. sequel it could have been the original film crew that did the 2D to 3D conversion although that is doubtful. Also, even if they did does that make it right? If the director wanted the film or portions of it shot in 3D don't you think he would have procured some 3D cameras.

Actually, he originally did desire to shoot the movie native stereoscopic but, he let go of that idea at the start of production due to limitations of the original release schedule.

This info all comes from a follow-up Q&A with Jon Chu after the DGA screening of G.I. Joe:Retaliation 3D just this week. The Director had nearly finished the post when the studio then decided that it would be of some benefit to release the film in 3D. Sooooo, an additional 9 months was added to post with StereoD doing the 2D -> 3D conversion. No native stereoscopic capture occurred during the additional extension period.

[BleedOrange11]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Actually, he originally did desire to shoot the movie native stereoscopic but, he let go of that idea at the start of production due to limitations of the original release schedule.

This info all comes from a follow-up Q&A with Jon Chu after the DGA screening of G.I. Joe:Retaliation 3D just this week. The Director had nearly finished the post when the studio then decided that it would be of some benefit to release the film in 3D. Sooooo, an additional 9 months was added to post with StereoD doing the 2D -> 3D conversion. No native stereoscopic capture occurred during the additional extension period.

Thanks for the more accurate description of events.

[Zivouhr]

Originally Posted by mseeley

The Snake Eyes sequence was phenomenal and easily the 3d highlight of the film. The fight sequence was very cleverly thought out imo.

I was also disappointed that Bruce Willis didn't have a larger role, but the film is such a fun turn-off your brain flick that such grievances don't matter too much for now lol. Really excited and happy that Paramount is officially moving forward with GI Joe 3! Plus it sounds like they'll be able to film in Native 3d this time *drool* xD

I didn't hear about a GI Joe 3, cool news, thanks Mseeley. I hope it goes through. They need to show more Cobra, maybe a major battle. That'd be a nice finale if that's the goal.

Originally Posted by levcore

Saw this on Saturday and really enjoyed it. The highlight of course was the mountain sequence, just amazing. I waqs kind of miffed that the best sequence was in the middle of the movie, as i felt the finale was a little flat for a movie like this. Also the sequence with all the world leaders launching their nukes was just unbelievably ridiculous and one of the most unintentionally hilarious scenes i've ever seen in a movie.

I thought the 3D was great throughout, really awesome conversion.

Yes to a bigger finale' battle. The gun kata fight

[Show spoiler]was cool between Roadblock (Rock) and Firefly, but wanted to see a big battle of many troops on both sides, as was common for the 80's cartoon series.

Originally Posted by fitprod

There were two scenes that really stood out, and the errors were in the backgrounds. When they're attacking the missile silo, there was a shot where there's a long shot, and I think a missile is standing on the left side of the screen. To the right of it, the walkway that was going into the background looked to include 3 images. The same issue also happened during a scene where Roadblock, Flint and Lady Jaye are walking down a New Orleans street, and you can see some of the houses exhibiting the same issue.

fitprod

I did notice a little ghosting at times, which is also a limitation of current glasses technology, being unable to block out all light, especially on high contrast images with stronger 3D. How did you like the 3D overall for a 9 month conversion? I'm surprised you went to check this one out, and in 3D.