HDTVTEST (Vincent Teoh) Discussion Thread

[MechaGodzilla]

Will be vair interesting to see what Panasonic can do with QD-OLED. The competition will be fierce next year.

[unberechenbar]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

If/when it does then yes, I will begrudgingly buy an OLED and will prolly be very happy with it in the long term…once I’ve tested it to death and found exactly what its weaknesses are so I know that whatever artefacts I’m seeing are due to the display rather than the source.

So you've already made up your mind that your next TV will be an OLED?

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by unberechenbar

So you've already made up your mind that your next TV will be an OLED?

He may not when he is unconditionally loving his ZED.

I have both techs and to be honest. 90% of the movies look good on my OLED over the ZD9.

Personally I like both for their own strengths but I prefer the OLED overall for movies simply due to consistency in picture quality. Yes, near black rendering can be problematic but then we have blooming, light leakage and milky blacks with LCDs which can ruin the viewing experience over near blacks.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by unberechenbar

So you've already made up your mind that your next TV will be an OLED?

If there’s nothing that even matches (never mind exceeds) the ZD9 then yes, when the old girl breathes her last it’ll have to be an OLED.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

If there’s nothing that even matches (never mind exceeds) the ZD9 then yes, when the old girl breathes her last it’ll have to be an OLED.

I am constantly on the lookout for a 75ZD9. Almost bought one but had to back off due to few scratches on the screen. This is to replace the 65ZD9 which is looking too small simply because I am now so used to 77

Today I was craving for some extra HDR punch and switched back to the ZED. Continues to remain a master class from Sony who have lost the post since then.

With WOLED, I think you have to get used to some near black issues (near black chrominance overshoot) irrespective of bit rates but with QD-OLED it seems be fixed yet Panasonic managed to win near black and shadow detail areas with their LZ2000 WOLED.

[lgans316]

Great video and nice diplomatic swipe at creator's intent negatively impacting user experience.

[chip75]

I can't remember, but wasn't a lot of that episode day for night in post?

Another annoying issue is the tiny burnt-out subtitles, which is often the case.

[teddyballgame]

Entire scenes being graded to 1 or 2 nit code values is asking for trouble and the creator needs to know the tech simply can't do it. Vincent still tried to sneak his subjective argument against 200 nit highlights in there That's still not problematic however

[DisplayCalNoob]

It suggest they didn't use a target display to compare graded results on the consumer display, which in most cases is a LG OLED.

[notops]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

If there’s nothing that even matches (never mind exceeds) the ZD9 then yes, when the old girl breathes her last it’ll have to be an OLED.

Get ready for some extraordinary color, unbelievably dark blacks and godawful motion stutter on 24p material. I love my OLED, but getting used to that level of stutter has been a bit of a process.

[unberechenbar]

That's ridiculous that they would master it so low. The look of that scene kind of reminds me of the day-for-night scene in Fury Road. The look of the scene on the Samsung QN95B surprised me the most. It's hard to imagine a scene looking that blue on a high-end TV. Hopefully it looks better on disc.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by I DO BLU

I Measured House of The Dragon in HDR - You Won't Believe How Dark It Gets! - YouTube

As scathing as he is about creative intent at least he's not coming up with that "it's not real HDR!" bollox that he was with Mandalorian. This actually has some >100 nit highlights, true, but even so: creatives gonna creative. But OLEDs are the client monitor of choice across the board (and those consumer models have even been used for actual grading in some circumstances), so what gives? Are they blissfully unawares of ASBL, or are they running custom firmware that disables it?

[I DO BLU]

I Measured House of The Dragon in HDR - You Won't Believe How Dark It Gets! - YouTube

[MisterXDTV]

I just don't get how a 1 NIT scene, is considered acceptable by the creators...

I mean, creative intent is very much important but you have to respect the minimum consumer HDR standards too

You are basically forcing people to watch the SDR version

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

But OLEDs are the client monitor of choice across the board (and those consumer models have even been used for actual grading in some circumstances), so what gives?

I was thinking the same thing, we've been hearing about OLEDs in suites for years. Perhaps that magic Hollywood Jamba Juice makes you see in the dark?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

I just don't get how a 1 NIT scene, is considered acceptable by the creators...

I mean, creative intent is very much important but you have to respect the minimum consumer HDR standards too

You are basically forcing people to watch the SDR version

There are no “minimum consumer HDR standards”, unless you’re referring to “weird shit that consumer TVs do that can’t be legislated for every time you grade something because you’d need to have about seven different client monitors in the grading suite”.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

There are no “minimum consumer HDR standards”, unless you’re referring to “weird shit that consumer TVs do that can’t be legislated for every time you grade something because you’d need to have about seven different client monitors in the grading suite”.

So should we consider a 1 nit luminance scene, to be standard in HDR?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

So should we consider a 1 nit luminance scene, to be standard in HDR?

You're the one talking about "standards", you tell me where it isn't allowed. The range for PQ is from 0-10,000 nits, so I'd say anything within those boundaries is fair game. It's an...interesting creative decision to be sure, I'm not arguing that it's in any way pleasant, but until such time as a global standards body or content provider actually says "you MUST grade to x amount of nits in HDR" rather than just recommendations thereof then I won't hide behind arbitrary claims of "standards" to justify my own aesthetic preferences, or indeed use those preferences to push for brighter content just because consumer TVs are shit at representing it.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

You're the one talking about "standards", you tell me where it isn't allowed. The range for PQ is from 0-10,000 nits, so I'd say anything within those boundaries is fair game. It's an...interesting creative decision to be sure, I'm not arguing that it's in any way pleasant, but until such time as a global standards body or content provider actually says "you MUST grade to x amount of nits in HDR" rather than just recommendations thereof then I won't hide behind arbitrary claims of "standards" to justify my own aesthetic preferences, or indeed use those preferences to push for brighter content just because consumer TVs are shit at representing it.

Sure, they don't have to care about my preference, but they really should care if THEIR preference for a TV Show causes people to see nothing or see artifacts...

I mean: the point of a TV show is for it to be watched at home, right?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

Sure, they don't have to care about my preference, but they really should care if THEIR preference for a TV Show causes people to see nothing or see artifacts...

I mean: the point of a TV show is for it to be watched at home, right?

Are you sure? Seems like the phone is the weapon of choice for folks these days and BAH GAWD those OLED screens really zing