HDTVTEST (Vincent Teoh) Discussion Thread

[Jay Mammoth]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

Best comparison video on the Tubes. How many times is Vincent going to state the price of the reference monitor? Lol

That near black brightening on the AJ90 for me is a real killer. It's definitely not a god tier TV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffMn...ature=youtu.be

Agreed, that with the 4 HDMI 2.1 inputs, working VRR, and lower input lag made it easy for me to choose the C1. Also got the new “Evo” panel on mine and unlocked extra brightness by switching to G1 mode.

[mrtickleuk]

Originally Posted by tama

I know he uses 1 specific scene from GOT to showcase that issue. However after personally going through close to 50 titles mixed with SDR, HDR and DV presentations I haven't noticed any issues of such on my set.

Fair enough. There are also test patterns of course.

Dnice (DeWayne) has stated that both OOTB Sony does come out of black too fast while LG comes out.to slow creating mild crush. Might look punchy and inky but it's still crush. So neither set you buy will be perfect, but that both can be calibrated to mitigate those issues on either sets.

Well I thought the main point was that the Sony's lowest greyscale adjustment point is too high and not close enough to 0%. So actually, both can not be calibrated to mitigate those near-black issues. The LG can but the Sony can't, was the case Vincent was making I believe, as shown in the video.

I agree there is a difference between comparing the Out Of The Box performance with the after-calibrated performance.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

Fair enough. There are also test patterns of course.



Well I thought the main point was that the Sony's lowest greyscale adjustment point is too high and not close enough to 0%. So actually, both can not be calibrated to mitigate those near-black issues. The LG can but the Sony can't, was the case Vincent was making I believe, as shown in the video.

I agree there is a difference between comparing the Out Of The Box performance with the after-calibrated performance.

Does anyone ever sit back and enjoy their expensive TVs without this level of nitpicking?

Thanks Vincent.

[I DO BLU]

Samsung QN95A Neo QLED 4K TV Unboxing + Picture Settings - YouTube

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by I DO BLU

Samsung QN95A Neo QLED 4K TV Unboxing + Picture Settings - YouTube

Another unboxing video.

[wxman2003]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

Another unboxing video.

I'm waiting for his first boxing video where says this tv is crap and is going back.

[INdetectableMAN]

Originally Posted by tama

I know he uses 1 specific scene from GOT to showcase that issue. However after personally going through close to 50 titles mixed with SDR, HDR and DV presentations I haven't noticed any issues of such on my set.

Dnice (DeWayne) has stated that both OOTB Sony does come out of black too fast while LG comes out.to slow creating mild crush. Might look punchy and inky but it's still crush. So neither set you buy will be perfect, but that both can be calibrated to mitigate those issues on either sets.

Another member on AVS had his A90J just calibrated but Chad B and that the issues wasn't raised by him either.

A few members say they can't recreate this issue to the extent Vincent shows it.

Do you know which season and chapter of Game of Thrones is the one that Vincent Teoh uses for the details close to black?

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by INdetectableMAN

Do you know which season and chapter of Game of Thrones is the one that Vincent Teoh uses for the details close to black?

Isn't that the example he uses for HD streaming in dark scene's?

[groove93]

Originally Posted by INdetectableMAN

Do you know which season and chapter of Game of Thrones is the one that Vincent Teoh uses for the details close to black?

Game of Thrones - Season 8 "The Long Night"

[I DO BLU]

Asus PA32UCG Unboxing: Mini LED, HDMI 2.1, 4K@120Hz, VRR, 1600 Nits. - YouTube

[LordoftheRings]

This looks like a serious monitor ^

And earlier back on May 8 ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1Ha...ature=youtu.be

[nick4Knight]

Originally Posted by Jay Mammoth

Agreed, that with the 4 HDMI 2.1 inputs, working VRR, and lower input lag made it easy for me to choose the C1. Also got the new “Evo” panel on mine and unlocked extra brightness by switching to G1 mode.

You do you. I wonder, though, did you not hear him caution doing this could not only lessen the life of the panel (perhaps significantly) if you use it daily, but also all along the life of the panel having potential picture inaccuracy since you're telling the processing its a G1 which has entirely different power distribution specs and profile for picture attributes?

Let alone that most discs in the wild don't need the extra brightness thats why I still squint even though 10% segements of my screen and clusters of pixels "only" get to 700 nits. Your 900 would only be noticed in side by side comparison.

Leading what you're doing to only benefit the speculars at the expense of everything else in the image might not be displaying as intended by the disc data. And whatever impact you think is more is actually only your brain telling you so, since thats how eyes work. They'd need to see C1 and G1 panels playing the same content beside one another to tell one is "20% less bright". That statement alone is arbitrary.

[Jay Mammoth]

Originally Posted by nick4Knight

You do you. I wonder, though, did you not hear him caution doing this could not only lessen the life of the panel (perhaps significantly) if you use it daily, but also all along the life of the panel having potential picture inaccuracy since you're telling the processing its a G1 which has entirely different power distribution specs and profile for picture attributes?

Let alone that most discs in the wild don't need the extra brightness thats why I still squint even though 10% segements of my screen and clusters of pixels "only" get to 700 nits. Your 900 would only be noticed in side by side comparison.

Leading what you're doing to only benefit the speculars at the expense of everything else in the image might not be displaying as intended by the disc data. And whatever impact you think is more is actually only your brain telling you so, since thats how eyes work. They'd need to see C1 and G1 panels playing the same content beside one another to tell one is "20% less bright". That statement alone is arbitrary.

Yes and I also heard Dnice saying it’s fine to switch. A C1 in vivid mode drives the panel harder than switching it to G1.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by nick4Knight

You do you. I wonder, though, did you not hear him caution doing this could not only lessen the life of the panel (perhaps significantly) if you use it daily, but also all along the life of the panel having potential picture inaccuracy since you're telling the processing its a G1 which has entirely different power distribution specs and profile for picture attributes?

Let alone that most discs in the wild don't need the extra brightness thats why I still squint even though 10% segements of my screen and clusters of pixels "only" get to 700 nits. Your 900 would only be noticed in side by side comparison.

Leading what you're doing to only benefit the speculars at the expense of everything else in the image might not be displaying as intended by the disc data. And whatever impact you think is more is actually only your brain telling you so, since thats how eyes work. They'd need to see C1 and G1 panels playing the same content beside one another to tell one is "20% less bright". That statement alone is arbitrary.

Folks going to ruin their fine TV's for nits.

[LordoftheRings]

I agree; OLED TVs weren't built for high Nits with extra brightness, say 1,000+ nits.
Mini-LED and Micro-LED yes.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by I DO BLU

Asus PA32UCG Unboxing: Mini LED, HDMI 2.1, 4K@120Hz, VRR, 1600 Nits. - YouTube

still time to participate and win an Asus - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...n#post18943717

[Jay Mammoth]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

Folks going to ruin their fine TV's for nits.

Oh so Vincent is right this time? Lol

[wxman2003]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

Folks going to ruin their fine TV's for nits.

Not really. If the vast majority of UHD movies don't approach 900 nits with specular highlights, then even with the added boost via the SM, the tv will rarely ever push 900 nits. Plus vivid mode already exceeds that at times, briefly hitting 1200 nits. If Sony thought 900 nits would damage the tv, they would have removed vivid mode, because even without a SM adjustment, it will hit 900 to 1000 nits in smaller windows on a consistent basis.

Don't forget, it still has an ABL trigger. So it won't let any image be that bright for long.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by wxman2003

Not really. If the vast majority of UHD movies don't approach 900 nits with specular highlights, then even with the added boost via the SM, the tv will rarely ever push 900 nits. Plus vivid mode already exceeds that at times, briefly hitting 1200 nits. If Sony thought 900 nits would damage the tv, they would have removed vivid mode, because even without a SM adjustment, it will hit 900 to 1000 nits in smaller windows on a consistent basis.

Don't forget, it still has an ABL trigger. So it won't let any image be that bright for long.

The vivid mode is for the showroom. Sony doesn't expect sensible folks to watch TV in that mode. With that being, there are those who are irrational and unduly emotional about their nits. They will chase nits like they pixels and watts per channel.

[wxman2003]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

The vivid mode is for the showroom. Sony doesn't expect sensible folks to watch TV in that mode. With that being, there are those who are irrational and unduly emotional about their nits. They will chase nits like they pixels and watts per channel.

The point being it will not damage the tv. Sony would lose big in court if someone damaged their tv using vivid, and Sony tried to use the excuse it was not meant for normal viewing. They would be laughed out of court. It would be like going to a restaurant, ordering something off the menu and then getting food poisoning. And then the restaurant uses the excuse eating that item was going to cause food poisoning, yet offering it without warning.