HDTVTEST (Vincent Teoh) Discussion Thread

[I DO BLU]

I Paid $$$$ to Buy Samsung's First 4K OLED TV from USA - YouTube

[LordoftheRings]

I've read somewhere the other day that Samsung is using cheap LG OLED panels?

[teddyballgame]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

I've read somewhere the other day that Samsung is using cheap LG OLED panels?

No no, someone was mistaken. Samsung has their own oled panels with a new layout; they don't use a white subpixel which can lead to color dilution. These new oled panels start with a blue light source which is then transformed by the quantum dot layer. The color space is larger and colors in general are able to be expressed better.

Here's a good article if you want to read more:
QD-OLED TV: everything you need to know about the game-changing new TV tech

[GODHOOD]

I'm seeing a lot of hype for the Samsung S95B, unfortunately no Dolby Vision and the price is too steep for me, maybe if they took out $200 I may consider buying it. Otherwise from the videos I've seen it looks fantastic when it comes to color and brightness.

[thejoeman2]

Originally Posted by GODHOOD

I'm seeing a lot of hype for the Samsung S95B, unfortunately no Dolby Vision and the price is too steep for me, maybe if they took out $200 I may consider buying it. Otherwise from the videos I've seen it looks fantastic when it comes to color and brightness.

I am on the same boat really. It looks really great, almost like seeing a Samsung Galaxy s22 at 65 inches. The lack of Dolby Vision is a bummer though, as Samsung is still persisting with HDR10+.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by GODHOOD

I'm seeing a lot of hype for the Samsung S95B, unfortunately no Dolby Vision and the price is too steep for me, maybe if they took out $200 I may consider buying it. Otherwise from the videos I've seen it looks fantastic when it comes to color and brightness.

Bottom line is, the Samsung S95B is boosting brightness and colours at all times under the hood in real-world content, yet painstakingly made sure 10% window (the industry standard measurement size) measured accurate, in order to hoodwink reviewers who trust their meters too much. Since you are newly ISF Level 3-certified two months ago (correct me if I'm wrong), you may not be aware of the deceptive and manipulative practices implemented by many TV manufacturers. You have wrongly attributed the punchier image and the more vibrant colours on the Samsung S95B to QD-OLED's superior peak brightness and colour volume measurements, when all along you were drawn to the boosted brightness and colours that were pushed beyond accurate levels, causing you to make misleading, hyperbolic conclusions.

Don't get me wrong... I'm as excited as you are about QD-OLED... there are numerous unassailable advantages over WRGB OLED. But because I have been looking at reference images all my HDTVTest life, and have a Canon reference monitor to measure the required luminance and colour of the source content, as well as a dual-layer LCD reference monitor for definitive benchmarking, I could tell straight away that the Samsung S95B is boosting brightness and colours beyond reference, hopelessly deviating from the creative intent. I hope the Sony A95K does better in terms of picture accuracy.

Regards
Vincent

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by lgans316

Bottom line is, the Samsung S95B is boosting brightness and colours at all times under the hood in real-world content, yet painstakingly made sure 10% window (the industry standard measurement size) measured accurate, in order to hoodwink reviewers who trust their meters too much. Since you are newly ISF Level 3-certified two months ago (correct me if I'm wrong), you may not be aware of the deceptive and manipulative practices implemented by many TV manufacturers. You have wrongly attributed the punchier image and the more vibrant colours on the Samsung S95B to QD-OLED's superior peak brightness and colour volume measurements, when all along you were drawn to the boosted brightness and colours that were pushed beyond accurate levels, causing you to make misleading, hyperbolic conclusions.

Don't get me wrong... I'm as excited as you are about QD-OLED... there are numerous unassailable advantages over WRGB OLED. But because I have been looking at reference images all my HDTVTest life, and have a Canon reference monitor to measure the required luminance and colour of the source content, as well as a dual-layer LCD reference monitor for definitive benchmarking, I could tell straight away that the Samsung S95B is boosting brightness and colours beyond reference, hopelessly deviating from the creative intent. I hope the Sony A95K does better in terms of picture accuracy.

Regards
Vincent

Woah...are you channeling Vincent through some sort of psychic power?

But yes, it's what Samsung are all about: goosing the SHIT out of the image to get that "pop" (ugh), accuracy be damned. They're the #1 TV brand in the world for that reason but I wouldn't have one if you paid me.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Woah...are you channeling Vincent through some sort of psychic power?

But yes, it's what Samsung are all about: goosing the SHIT out of the image to get that "pop" (ugh), accuracy be damned. They're the #1 TV brand in the world for that reason but I wouldn't have one if you paid me.

That was his reply to a recently certified calibrator @AVS.

Personally I am not fussed about FILMMAKER MODE and accuracy but I do respect them and will try my best not to deviate too much with my settings. . Surprisingly Sony TVs don't have FM. Now the eyes are on A95K.

One guy @AVS asked me why I capped my ZD9 settings at 150 nits for SDR when the TV can go way beyond that. These are the folks who watch SDR at max settings and complain HDR is fake and looks dim.

Overall I think QD-OLED is a step in the right direction and I am hoping we will see larger screen sizes (75+). Now that I am so used to 77, I barely touch the ZD9. Only use it for drawing comparisons.

[BrownianMotion]

This is why I haven't touched a Samsung in many years. I used to have the KS9800, which wasn't a perfect TV by any means, but you could get it to display an accurate image through calibration. The quality of their displays has declined considerably since then.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by thejoeman2

I am on the same boat really. It looks really great, almost like seeing a Samsung Galaxy s22 at 65 inches. The lack of Dolby Vision is a bummer though, as Samsung is still persisting with HDR10+.

But HDR10+ is not that far off from Dolby Vision; all things analyzed equally fair and square.

Samsung makes some of the best phones OLED displays (eg.; Galaxy S22 Ultra).
The brightness (nits) is out of this world.

[LordoftheRings]

Looking forward to Vincent's full take on Samsung's latest QD-OLED displays ... High Definition TV Testing @ their best ...

Other Video Pros fully welcome ...

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by lgans316

That was his reply to a recently certified calibrator @AVS.

Personally I am not fussed about FILMMAKER MODE and accuracy but I do respect them and will try my best not to deviate too much with my settings. . Surprisingly Sony TVs don't have FM. Now the eyes are on A95K.

One guy @AVS asked me why I capped my ZD9 settings at 150 nits for SDR when the TV can go way beyond that. These are the folks who watch SDR at max settings and complain HDR is fake and looks dim.

Overall I think QD-OLED is a step in the right direction and I am hoping we will see larger screen sizes (75+). Now that I am so used to 77, I barely touch the ZD9. Only use it for drawing comparisons.

Filmmaker Mode, as well intentioned as it is, doesn't do a single thing to the image that the user cannot do for themselves with just the most rudimentary knowledge of what settings do what. If you've turned off all the extraneous processing re: boosting the blacks, contrast, brightness, colour, sharpness and motion, have set the SDR output to ~100 nits peak and put the colour temp on the nearest to 6500K (two things which you'd need a metered calibration to properly attain but it's not like Filmmaker Mode is actually calibrating the colour balance either, it's just setting it on Warm or whatever) then that's it. That's literally it. So I've got my own Filmmaker Mode and have done for years: it's called a proper calibration

[thejoeman2]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

But HDR10+ is not that far off from Dolby Vision; all things analyzed equally fair and square.

Samsung makes some of the best phones OLED displays (eg.; Galaxy S22 Ultra).
The brightness (nits) is out of this world.

My only reference to HDR10+ is Scarface and 1917, and both looked great.

Samsung does make the best phones, I'd stand by that until my grave.

I think the reason I feel sad about the lack of DV is because some 4k Blu-Rays contain an extra DV stream and that a very few tend to be big, almost 10mbps. Maybe it is FOMO I am feeling, even though I am sure this TV is bright(and dark) enough to show a good HDR image.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by thejoeman2

My only reference to HDR10+ is Scarface and 1917, and both looked great.

Samsung does make the best phones, I'd stand by that until my grave.

I think the reason I feel sad about the lack of DV is because some 4k Blu-Rays contain an extra DV stream and that a very few tend to be big, almost 10mbps. Maybe it is FOMO I am feeling, even though I am sure this TV is bright(and dark) enough to show a good HDR image.

I'm with ya; 1917 looks majestically awesome.
And Sammy makes fantastic mobile phones (OLED displays, camera setups, loaded with cool features, full customization, DeX, pens, ... etc.).

Dolby Vision is vary nice, but this is not the end of the world.

* Live life to the fullest; watch LOTR on 4K UHD/HDR10/Dolby Vision/Atmos Blu-ray.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

I'm with ya; 1917 looks majestically awesome.
And Sammy makes fantastic mobile phones (OLED displays, camera setups, loaded with cool features, full customization, DeX, pens, ... etc.).

Dolby Vision is vary nice, but this is not the end of the world.

* Live life to the fullest; watch LOTR on 4K UHD/HDR10/Dolby Vision/Atmos Blu-ray.

I will live my life to the fullest by skipping LOTR on 4K lol.

[Panson]

Originally Posted by thejoeman2

My only reference to HDR10+ is Scarface and 1917, and both looked great.

Samsung does make the best phones, I'd stand by that until my grave.

I think the reason I feel sad about the lack of DV is because some 4k Blu-Rays contain an extra DV stream and that a very few tend to be big, almost 10mbps. Maybe it is FOMO I am feeling, even though I am sure this TV is bright(and dark) enough to show a good HDR image.

[teddyballgame]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Woah...are you channeling Vincent through some sort of psychic power?

But yes, it's what Samsung are all about: goosing the SHIT out of the image to get that "pop" (ugh), accuracy be damned. They're the #1 TV brand in the world for that reason but I wouldn't have one if you paid me.

And if that wasn't enough they still have other issues for people like us to contend with. Like the OS being purposefully rudimentary, the remote having like 3 total buttons, making it very difficult to get to the settings (which are limited). Too locked down and unfriendly. Shunning DV for some reason too...unwilling to pay like $5 per tv for a DV license when their tone mapping and EOTF tracking has always been an issue. The display division within Samsung has probably come up with a nice panel (Sony did decide to buy it for their new a95k after all) so that's nice, but the details still matter a lot to me and Samsung rarely gets those right in my book.

Originally Posted by lgans316

That was his reply to a recently certified calibrator @AVS.

Overall I think QD-OLED is a step in the right direction and I am hoping we will see larger screen sizes (75+). Now that I am so used to 77, I barely touch the ZD9. Only use it for drawing comparisons.

Oh, real shit!? Wonder if he was replying to keep-it-classy. I'll have to hop on AVS because I know it's soon to be a tribal warzone between woled and qdoled factions Nothing like reading grown men try to tear eachother apart over who's TV is "superior" when they could be peacefully enjoying their sets

I find Vincent's reviews valuable because of his previous calibration experience and all the tools available to him when it comes to measurement and recording equipment. Not many other outlets have gone to the same lengths for testing and producing quality review content. I've read claims that he's too cushy with LG but I haven't really noticed for myself -- if anything he seems to have a soft spot for Panasonic and Sony; like many other av purists who are fond of those brands. LG might have the best line of communication with him so I would not be surprised if their engineers feed him the quirks or shortcomings with Samsung's new QDO panel. That's not to say he can't find some himself, but at any rate, if they exist someone has to bring them to light. He does like to hit people over the head with the fact that he has a mastering monitor while just about everyone else doesn't. It's great that someone in the community has one but it sure would improve the signal to noise ratio in general if some others had access too.

[trekky76]

I would've liked to see Dolby Vision on the new S95 but apart from that, this will be my first Samsung display since 2014. Six years of LG displays has come to an end for me. Got tired of the endless issues with uniformity on each and every one of the displays I owned (minus that one 55" which was replaced due to dead pixels). Vincent may be right but I take some deviation from creative intention over pink tinting or banding or vignetting any day.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by lgans316

I will live my life to the fullest by skipping LOTR on 4K lol.

Well I know; it's not 3D. Then just wait for Avatar 2.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by trekky76

I would've liked to see Dolby Vision on the new S95 but apart from that, this will be my first Samsung display since 2014. Six years of LG displays has come to an end for me. Got tired of the endless issues with uniformity on each and every one of the displays I owned (minus that one 55" which was replaced due to dead pixels). Vincent may be right but I take some deviation from creative intention over pink tinting or banding or vignetting any day.

Vincent is not the King of HDTV.
Bravo for following you own very eyes and real experience ... good common sense