HDTVTEST (Vincent Teoh) Discussion Thread - Page 77 - Blu-ray Forum

LordoftheRings · 04-28-2022, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Derb

Well it’s a Cannon he used. Maybe it has more tools than the Sony monitor.. dunno.

I saw Mygadgetsworld YouTuber’s video after Vincent’s..

He directly compared all of Vincent’s film shots on his S95B. He found that gamma at -1 was enough to get PQ as natural as could be without calibration compared to Vincent’s -3 without boosting any shadow detail to +2 either.

Screen uniformity & 0 banding pleased Vincent but that isn’t a hard task to get on any 55” OLED.

What interests me the most about the tech isn’t QD. It is its true RGB Pixel structure. Well that & longevity as Samsung clearly doesn’t care about brightness limitations.

Thx for the correction ... Cannon vs Sony

* Perhaps he should switch reference monitor?
▪︎ https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=1512

LordoftheRings · 04-28-2022, 05:36 PM

Input

Output

BrownianMotion · 04-28-2022, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by teddyballgame

Agreed, just to elaborate on this for a second for anyone not following closely.

So within Samsung there are 2 division of the company. Samsung Display (panel R&D and production) and also Samsung Visual Display or Electronics (design and build the TV product itself once supplied a panel)

Samsung Display made the QD-OLED panel and it seems like a slam dunk based on initial impressions. True RGB pixel structure (no white subpixel to dilute color), wider color gamut, cleaner uniformity, increased brightness capability, improved near black handling, better viewing angles with no hue or tint. Sony has purchased a lot of these panels to put inside their new A95K.

So the panel is promising but Samsung's implementation is very divisive. It doesn't track PQ accurately and the auto color space function is broken etc. Sony has a better reputation so that's what people are waiting on now. Comparisons between A90J/S95B/A95K which should help seperate and make clear the differences between the underlying tech but also the processing they choose to run on the panel.

Exactly.

We've already seen this tech in combination with accurate colors in Alienware's QD-OLED monitor, and in Vincent's own words, "I've never seen such vibrant yet accurate colors in a consumer display."

That's high praise.

I currently own a WOLED, but my next TV will likely be a Sony A95K, and am strongly considering the Alienware monitor.

LordoftheRings · 04-28-2022, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

...

"You see, WOLED CAN'T display a yellow like THAT!"

It was a Rec.709/SDR element at 100 nits...

Is this ^ from 'The Batman' ?

MisterXDTV · 04-28-2022, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Is this ^ from 'The Batman' ?

It's from "The Dark Knight" UHD BD disc

LordoftheRings · 04-28-2022, 08:28 PM

Ha! ^ ...Déjà vu
----------

Vincent will have one more HDTV (OLED) to review (from China) ...
▪︎ https://www.notebookcheck.net/Xiaomi....615879.0.html

* OLED seems to be all the rage in 2022 ... it's like a pandemic.
Cool, more of them more competition more prices slashed more viewing fun for more fun people.

Derb · 04-28-2022, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

No, he is using both:

- Canon DP-V3120 to check input data

- Sony BVM-HX310 for output

Well I knew he had both.

He only mentioned using the Canon. So thanks for the clarification.

So the tools used are from the Canon right?

Anywhoo, regarding his findings, here is the guy that shared his response after watching Vincent’s video.

MisterXDTV · 04-28-2022, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Derb

Well I knew he had both.

He only mentioned using the Canon. So thanks for the clarification.

So the tools used are from the Canon right?

Yes, the Canon is the best for reading data from sources as it has "Pixel checker" and the "Heatmap mode" for checking color gamut and brightness of every single pixel...

But when he makes the comparison side by side with the Samsung QD-OLED and the LG C1, he is using the Sony reference monitor

Derb · 04-28-2022, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

Yes, the Canon is the best for reading data from sources as it has "Pixel checker" and the "Heatmap mode" for checking color gamut and brightness of every single pixel...

But when he makes the comparison side by side with the Samsung QD-OLED and the LG C1, he is using the Sony reference monitor

I’d have to check Vincent’s video again because when he labeled what TV was what. The S95B had the color tint, not the G2.

Edit, yeah nope. It was his camera..

LordoftheRings · 04-29-2022, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

Yes, the Canon is the best for reading data from sources as it has "Pixel checker" and the "Heatmap mode" for checking color gamut and brightness of every single pixel...

But when he makes the comparison side by side with the Samsung QD-OLED and the LG C1, he is using the Sony reference monitor

I was right then. Trophy?

* Speaking of the C1 (65") ...

https://www.cnet.com/tech/home-enter...-limited-time/

Derb · 04-29-2022, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

I was right then. Trophy?

* Speaking of the C1 (65") ...

https://www.cnet.com/tech/home-enter...-limited-time/

Well if you want an EVO, go for it.

I guess I was lucky to get mine with a 09/21 build date.

lgans316 · 04-29-2022, 07:52 AM

Nice that VT caught out Scamsung. He has replied in the AVS thread again. He has double checked with other pro calibrators and has confirmed Samsung are overcooking things.

I am sure colours above 400 nits will be better reproduced on QD-OLED but juicing up colours at very bottom end of the scale is really bad. It's a TV and not a Instagram photo filter.

Again I don't care if Samsung overcooks other picture modes but leave FM and possibly one other mode alone so that they are either close to standards or can be calibrated as per consumer's requirements without deviating far too much from standards.

For me, the biggest benefit with QD-OLED is the panel uniformity and lack of vertical banding. This alone + size above 75 will make it an instant purchase.

Also keeping an eye on 75X95K/85X95K. As per the usual folks it looks great but will watch this space. If it is better than the ZD9, will sell the ZD9 for it.

unberechenbar · 04-29-2022, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by lgans316

Also keeping an eye on 75X95K/85X95K. As per the usual folks it looks great but will watch this space. If it is better than the ZD9, will sell the ZD9 for it.

I'm interested in the X95K too but am kind of wary of being an early adopter as this is the first year Sony is doing mini-LED at the consumer level. Although I guess it's also possible that next year's model turns out to be a downgrade.

lgans316 · 04-29-2022, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by unberechenbar

I'm interested in the X95K too but am kind of wary of being an early adopter as this is the first year Sony is doing mini-LED at the consumer level. Although I guess it's also possible that next year's model turns out to be a downgrade.

Personally all I care is whether a newer TV is noticeably better than my current TV (10% at minimum).

If the X95K is truly better than the ZD9 then I might buy it subject to budget.

Stopped worrying about being an early adopter.

Geoff D · 04-29-2022, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by unberechenbar

I'm interested in the X95K too but am kind of wary of being an early adopter as this is the first year Sony is doing mini-LED at the consumer level. Although I guess it's also possible that next year's model turns out to be a downgrade.

I've said the same thing about being a beta tester but if the 65x95K is three grand I might just take a punt on it. It'd be nice to know when we're actually going to get them though!

lgans316 · 04-29-2022, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

I've said the same thing about being a beta tester but if the 65x95K is three grand I might just take a punt on it. It'd be nice to know when we're actually going to get them though!

Go the 75 or 85. Initially it might look big but once it is on the stand or the wall, trust me, it will start looking like a 65 within few days.

d3nt0n · 04-29-2022, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by lgans316

Go the 75 or 85. Initially it might look big but once it is on the stand or the wall, trust me, it will start looking like a 65 within few days.

This. I have an 83 and after a few weeks it feels no different the old 65 did.

lgans316 · 04-29-2022, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by d3nt0n

This. I have an 83 and after a few weeks it feels no different the old 65 did.

Just like we get used to the nagging bosses, wives, friends, parents etc....

LordoftheRings · 04-29-2022, 07:41 PM

Each and every one TV (lottery and nut) has compromises.
The one we pick is the one with the compromises we can live on.
Size matters, price matters, everything is important.
And the best HDTV is yet to come ...

Are you a gamer or a streamer or a 4K Blu-ray movie collector?
Are you a reference videophile or a preference simple man of life?

* Which HDTV Vincent is using right now in his own home?
...Not for professional analysis but for pure entertainment, like watching 4K BR movies for example, and playing games, and streaming Disney+ and Netflix.
And what size? How far is he sitting from it?

Anyone knows?

LordoftheRings · 04-29-2022, 08:14 PM

04-28-2022, 08:28 PM	#1526
LordoftheRings Special Member Top contributor Member since:Mar 2010 Location:Portishead ♫	HDTVTEST / Xiaomi OLED TV Ha! ^ ...Déjà vu ---------- Vincent will have one more HDTV (OLED) to review (from China) ... ▪︎ https://www.notebookcheck.net/Xiaomi....615879.0.html * OLED seems to be all the rage in 2022 ... it's like a pandemic. Cool, more of them more competition more prices slashed more viewing fun for more fun people.

04-29-2022, 07:52 AM	#1532
lgans316 Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jul 2007 Location:RM16, United Kingdom Blu-ray reviews:17 Trading Score:498	Nice that VT caught out Scamsung. He has replied in the AVS thread again. He has double checked with other pro calibrators and has confirmed Samsung are overcooking things. I am sure colours above 400 nits will be better reproduced on QD-OLED but juicing up colours at very bottom end of the scale is really bad. It's a TV and not a Instagram photo filter. Again I don't care if Samsung overcooks other picture modes but leave FM and possibly one other mode alone so that they are either close to standards or can be calibrated as per consumer's requirements without deviating far too much from standards. For me, the biggest benefit with QD-OLED is the panel uniformity and lack of vertical banding. This alone + size above 75 will make it an instant purchase. Also keeping an eye on 75X95K/85X95K. As per the usual folks it looks great but will watch this space. If it is better than the ZD9, will sell the ZD9 for it.

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