HDTVTEST (Vincent Teoh) Discussion Thread

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by lgans316

Go the 75 or 85. Initially it might look big but once it is on the stand or the wall, trust me, it will start looking like a 65 within few days.

Nah, I just don’t have the room and I’m not made of money!

[Derb]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Nah, I just don’t have the room and I’m not made of money!

$1,700 more than the X90K I see.

https://www.amazon.ca/Sony-BRAVIA-Go...01&sr=8-1&th=1

Wonder if that’s because you can move the feet into a narrow position to fit on a TV stand.

[bokes]

Originally Posted by lgans316

Go the 75 or 85. Initially it might look big but once it is on the stand or the wall, trust me, it will start looking like a 65 within few days.

This is so true!
I upgraded from 2016 G6 65 inch.
The first week with 77 inch G2 - was WOW!!
2 weeks later- I'm still impressed with picture- but yes- it suddenly doesn't look much bigger than the old 65. odd effect

[Geoff D]

Eh, we just get used to it, it's what our brains do. I remember years ago when I had to send off a TV for repair and was watching some tiny 14" in its place, after a few weeks I'd gotten so used to the tiddler that when I got the old one back it was like POW, having a cinema screen or something. But a little while later, it's like it was always there.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by Derb

$1,700 more than the X90K I see.

https://www.amazon.ca/Sony-BRAVIA-Go...01&sr=8-1&th=1

Wonder if that’s because you can move the feet into a narrow position to fit on a TV stand.

Mini LED backlight, Backlight Master Drive, hundreds of local dimming zones... of course it has to be reflected in the price!

Shouldn't be long until we start getting reviews of the X95K now. Rtings for example have it marked as "purchased".

[Derb]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

Mini LED backlight, Backlight Master Drive, hundreds of local dimming zones... of course it has to be reflected in the price!

Shouldn't be long until we start getting reviews of the X95K now. Rtings for example have it marked as "purchased".

Well sadly Sony is going the cheap route with their PlayStation brand regarding HDMI 2.1 features. They recently added VRR. The open standard HDMI forum VRR. No LFC support.

The X95K would essentially have to turn off local dimming entirely for VRR to work. So “Master” backlight drive is marketing hyperbole in context to gaming.

Great I bet for 23.97hz HDR films.

I wouldn’t pay that much for less bloom & same DSE.

Edit, just wanted to add if Mini-LED improves viewing angles over FALD, I’d like to see that.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by Derb

Well sadly Sony is going the cheap route with their PlayStation brand regarding HDMI 2.1 features. They recently added VRR. The open standard HDMI forum VRR. No LFC support.

The X95K would essentially have to turn off local dimming entirely for VRR to work. So “Master” backlight drive is marketing hyperbole in context to gaming.

Great I bet for 23.97hz HDR films.

I wouldn’t pay that much for less bloom & same DSE.

Enabling VRR does disable local dimming on the X95K, same with all the other 2022 (as well as 2021 and the 2020 X900H) FALD LCDs.

Maybe it's something that will be resolved on future models, but right now it's just how it is. You don't need VRR for a good console gaming experience, though. I know I prioritize picture quality over VRR and just wouldn't use it if I had an X95K.

As for how it compares to the X90K, there are other advantages. Higher peak brightness, X-Wide Angle (which it depends on the person whether or not that's a pro), better built-in audio (again, this depends on whether a person uses the TV speakers or not) and so on. The blooming is again a subjective thing. Some people aren't very bothered by blooming at all, in which case the X90K is going to be fine. To those who want it minimized as much as possible, the advanced backlight control of the X95K is worth the premium. It's too early to say anything about screen uniformity.

This is not to put down the X90K, which is looking to be a fine TV in its own right. According to early reviews from China it's very close to the X95J in terms of performance - perhaps even better in a couple areas - which is a welcome upgrade for the X90 series. I'm looking forward to reviews of that one as well.

[Derb]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

Enabling VRR does disable local dimming on the X95K, same with all the other 2022 (as well as 2021 and the 2020 X900H) FALD LCDs.

Maybe it's something that will be resolved on future models, but right now it's just how it is. You don't need VRR for a good console gaming experience, though. I know I prioritize picture quality over VRR and just wouldn't use it if I had an X95K.

As for how it compares to the X90K, there are other advantages. Higher peak brightness, X-Wide Angle (which it depends on the person whether or not that's a pro), better built-in audio (again, this depends on whether a person uses the TV speakers or not) and so on. The blooming is again a subjective thing. Some people aren't very bothered by blooming at all, in which case the X90K is going to be fine. To those who want it minimized as much as possible, the advanced backlight control of the X95K is worth the premium. It's too early to say anything about screen uniformity.

This is not to put down the X90K, which is looking to be a fine TV in its own right. According to early reviews from China it's very close to the X95J in terms of performance - perhaps even better in a couple areas - which is a welcome upgrade for the X90 series. I'm looking forward to reviews of that one as well.

Is a shame ya have to pick 1 of 3 formats.

I can have all 3 running at the same time on my C1.

I wouldn’t mind switching back to LCD if viewing angles got better.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by Derb

Is a shame ya have to pick 1 of 3 formats.

I can have all 3 running at the same time on my C1.

I wouldn’t mind switching back to LCD if viewing angles got better.

Well, that's exactly what X-Wide Angle is designed to achieve, so you should be happy about that then.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

Enabling VRR does disable local dimming on the X95K, same with all the other 2022 (as well as 2021 and the 2020 X900H) FALD LCDs.
Maybe it's something that will be resolved on future models, but right now it's just how it is.

It's because of that poor Mediatek chipset... Until they change it with a better one, it can't be fixed...

[lgans316]

At screen sizes 75 and above, I don't see the point with viewing angles unless you have a super wide sofa with loads of people sitting on the corners. I doubt if those in the corner would complain about picture quality anyways as most of the times it will be for casual viewing.

Sometimes I even feel there should be a TV without any gaming features just tailor made for movie lovers lol.

It looks like modern LCD TVs are slowly morphing into OLEDs and QD-OLED doing the opposite.

[unberechenbar]

Originally Posted by lgans316

At screen sizes 75 and above, I don't see the point with viewing angles unless you have a super wide sofa with loads of people sitting on the corners. I doubt if those in the corner would complain about picture quality anyways as most of the times it is for casual viewing.

Sometimes I even feel there should be a TV without any gaming features just tailor made for movie lovers lol.

It looks like modern LCD TVs are slowly morphing into OLEDs and QD-OLED doing the opposite.

I thought that the larger the screen the more important viewing angles are since the edges of the screen will end up being off-center with a big screen when you are sitting dead center.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by unberechenbar

I thought that the larger the screen the more important viewing angles are since the edges of the screen will end up being off-center with a big screen when you are sitting dead center.

Not for me but YMMV. I sit within the width of the screen. Never had issues with the ZD9 w.r. to viewing angle due to this despite its mediocre viewing angle. Until last year, the X-wide tech has impacted contrast performance at least on Sony TVs. This was my first impression with the 75ZH8. Right off the bat the contrast and blacks were shallow when compared to the ZD9 despite refinements in picture processing.

I don't want to sound like a broken record but for movies OLED is the safe bet despite the lack of higher peak brightness and some near black issues simply due to the other benefits it brings to the table.

Z9K will be out of my budget. So will be keeping my eyes peeled on 75/85X95K and I am hoping it is a worthy successor to the ZD9. It must be at least 10% noticeably better than the ZD9. Otherwise there is no point is splashing the cash (for me).

[Derb]

Originally Posted by lgans316

At screen sizes 75 and above, I don't see the point with viewing angles unless you have a super wide sofa with loads of people sitting on the corners. I doubt if those in the corner would complain about picture quality anyways as most of the times it will be for casual viewing.

Sometimes I even feel there should be a TV without any gaming features just tailor made for movie lovers lol.

It looks like modern LCD TVs are slowly morphing into OLEDs and QD-OLED doing the opposite.

I had a 2020 x900H. (65”)

Watching the TV from central position at around 6 feet away. So when I look up right, up left etc from Center position, Colors are washed out. If I’m watching from Center 12 feet away, colors looked fine.

That’s what I meant about viewing angles though I didn’t make it clear.

With OLED, same screen size, same seating position 6 feet away, all Colors are fine. That probably impressed me more about OLED over its near infinite contrast.

Before both the x900h & C1, I had a 2014 900B. Viewing angles on that thing was something else. Not OLED level but close. Though no HDR either.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

It's because of that poor Mediatek chipset... Until they change it with a better one, it can't be fixed...

It will certainly be interesting to see if the next generation of Sony LCDs with upgraded processing power are able to do local dimming in VRR mode. But that's at least a year away, let's focus on this year's line-up first!

Originally Posted by lgans316

It looks like modern LCD TVs are slowly morphing into OLEDs and QD-OLED doing the opposite.

Heh, I've had the same thought. With high-end LCDs now reaching a point where they can rival OLED in terms of black levels and contrast as well as wider viewing angles, while OLED is starting to compete with LCD in terms of brightness and increasingly getting the near-black issues under control... it makes you wonder which tech will win out? Which one has the advantage when they become more and more similar?

Interesting times!

Originally Posted by unberechenbar

I thought that the larger the screen the more important viewing angles are since the edges of the screen will end up being off-center with a big screen when you are sitting dead center.

Originally Posted by lgans316

Not for me but YMMV. I sit within the width of the screen. Never had issues with the ZD9 w.r. to viewing angle due to this despite its mediocre viewing angle. Until last year, the X-wide tech has impacted contrast performance at least on Sony TVs. This was my first impression with the 75ZH8. Right off the bat the contrast and blacks were shallow when compared to the ZD9 despite refinements in picture processing.

I don't want to sound like a broken record but for movies OLED is the safe bet despite the lack of higher peak brightness and some near black issues simply due to the other benefits it brings to the table.

Z9K will be out of my budget. So will be keeping my eyes peeled on 75/85X95K and I am hoping it is a worthy successor to the ZD9. It must be at least 10% noticeably better than the ZD9. Otherwise there is no point is splashing the cash (for me).

Originally Posted by Derb

I had a 2020 x900H. (65”)

Watching the TV from central position at around 6 feet away. So when I look up right, up left etc from Center position, Colors are washed out. If I’m watching from Center 12 feet away, colors looked fine.

That’s what I meant about viewing angles though I didn’t make it clear.

With OLED, same screen size, same seating position 6 feet away, all Colors are fine. That probably impressed me more about OLED over its near infinite contrast.

Before both the x900h & C1, I had a 2014 900B. Viewing angles on that thing was something else. Not OLED level but close. Though no HDR either.

Heh, well this is what I meant when I said it's subjective.

It's interesting how much this stuff varies between individuals, actually. Some feeling that the narrow viewing angles on VA panels is a big problem that needs fixing, while others insist it's a non-issue.

[DisplayCalNoob]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

A higher nit display would, of course, be better for HDR in general, because it would have to rely less on tone mapping. In fact, that's why you'd see less of a difference between regular HDR10 and DV on a high nit display. In the most extreme case (a 10,000 nit display) you wouldn't need tone mapping at all, so the dynamic metadata of DV would be irrelevant.

DV does have benefits other than dynamic metadata that are unrelated to tone mapping, though.

Actually, I think its all related to the dynic metadata. The different colorspace that reduces hue(color) shifts related to HDR color saturation, as well as color crosstalk. Gamut mapping from Rec.709 to Bt.2020.

FEL can be 1080p or 2160p, the higher resolution is bit rate problem, which is 130 Mbits. So, a 100 GB disc.

[I DO BLU]

LG G2 Review - Brightest LG OLED Yet, But Is It Enough vs QD-OLED? - YouTube

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by I DO BLU

LG G2 Review - Brightest LG OLED Yet, But Is It Enough vs QD-OLED? - YouTube

I just watched it. Interesting that, after all the claims of QD-OLED not having any perceptible image retention, turns out it actually does. And the G2 with its WRGB panel still clears up the IR faster than the S95B thanks to the heatsink.

[omarchafa]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

I just watched it. Interesting that, after all the claims of QD-OLED not having any perceptible image retention, turns out it actually does. And the G2 with its WRGB panel still clears up the IR faster than the S95B thanks to the heatsink.

That's to be expected I guess. The A95K will have a heatsink which it's supposed to help reduced IR faster than the Samsung does.

I really hope Sony hits a home run with the A95K because I intend to buy this TV, and if not I'll just have to settle with the A80K then. The longevity of QD OLED is still in question, so hopefully somebody puts out a lot hours into the panel and see if it degrades fast or not.

[NKB2017]

Originally Posted by omarchafa

That's to be expected I guess. The A95K will have a heatsink which it's supposed to help reduced IR faster than the Samsung does.

I really hope Sony hits a home run with the A95K because I intend to buy this TV, and if not I'll just have to settle with the A80K then. The longevity of QD OLED is still in question, so hopefully somebody puts out a lot hours into the panel and see if it degrades fast or not.

I echo your comments. Deffo interested in the Sony A95K (65 inch) being my next purchase. Although... if Panasonic were to launch a QD-OLED that might make me pause for thought.