HDTVTEST (Vincent Teoh) Discussion Thread

[JWgrayhawk]

Originally Posted by Derb

There should be something somebody can think of to make a catchy phrase to name these devices. Phones as you put it is so last-century.

Dana Carvey has a joke reference calling them “Pocket Computers”
I’m sure someday someone will figure out what to call them.

In the meantime I’ll sit back, relax & watch whatever in Native 4K on a 65” OLED. Which Segways me back on topic.. as nice as OLEDs are, I’m anxiously awaiting MicroLED to become mainstream so Vince at HDTV Test can stop praising OLED as the be all end all Display tech & actually take interest in better TV technologies.

From what I understand, anxiously awaiting and MicroLED don't go together, when it comes to them being mainstream.

Meantime, I'm thoroughly enjoying my 65" OLED. I'll be happy with it for as long as it lasts.

[nick4Knight]

Actually they do go together. Anxiously awaiting and "Mainstream MicroLED" will be going together for quite some time. Longer than any reasonable expectation would be to hold off for viable product.

You watch, I bet even the specs will be below what we were promised if that day ever comes. And it will still be ultra high premium $$$ end of mainstream.

[Derb]

I truly believe MicroLED won’t take as long as people think.

The price however I do agree the first few years will be rough. However once more production lines are made for mass production, costs will obviously decrease from the Company’s end. So average consumer will ultimately have to wait a few years to get one at current OLED pricing.

IMO is a good thing because major issues will have likely been ironed out by then.

[cminer72]

Originally Posted by Derb

The Panel is rated for 30,000 hours. Electronics could fail before that time is passed. There isn’t a rated Panel hour for WBE ones yet. Since they use deuterium which lasts longer by a factor of 5, (Heavy R&D researchers went in depth in 2014) it’s possible the WBE Panel’s could exceed 30K or even 60K hours used.

So I agree you can’t throw a number at it & call it a day. All OLEDs decompose even if never used.

I'd be more worried about the LG electronics lasting more than the panel. The LG motherboards are garbage. The panels are highly prone to dead pixels too. The OLED fad is overrated. Vincent is a paid shill.

[Jay Mammoth]

LG OLEDs are amazing. My C6 from 2016 still working perfectly.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by cminer72

I'd be more worried about the LG electronics lasting more than the panel. The LG motherboards are garbage. The panels are highly prone to dead pixels too. The OLED fad is overrated. Vincent is a paid shill.

Hope you are enjoying your employment in Samsung electronics lol

[Derb]

Originally Posted by cminer72

I'd be more worried about the LG electronics lasting more than the panel. The LG motherboards are garbage. The panels are highly prone to dead pixels too. The OLED fad is overrated. Vincent is a paid shill.

It’s clear Vincent uses his status to get TVs from local retailers in the UK for review as well as a couple of sponsors he’s partnered with. He tends to however tilt towards OLED way too much imo. There are many LCD advancements made he doesn’t even seem care about enough to cover on his channel.

It musta been a slow pay day for him when he decided to make a Cons video about OLEDs in general such as ASBL (GSR), TPC, ABL along with Screen Uniformity & Near Black Chrominance Overshoot. Musta got a lot of OLED hate from people for making these videos. Truth is, OLEDs have all these issues I mentioned. So am glad he at least made a negative video about OLED tech. However most of his videos are OLED positive.

At the end of the day, he at least shares his findings wether it be positive or negative.

As per the tech itself. There is still time for OLEDs to improve feature wise etc. I personally do not care if they do. I’m at 5300+ hours on my LG C1. 1 thing is very clear to me. The tv image quality doesn’t look as good as it did brand new. Contrast & Sharpness degrade on OLEDs. Anyone who says otherwise doesn’t own one.

[nick4Knight]

Originally Posted by cminer72

I'd be more worried about the LG electronics lasting more than the panel. The LG motherboards are garbage. The panels are highly prone to dead pixels too. The OLED fad is overrated. Vincent is a paid shill.

"Quantum Apotheosis", is that you, bro?

Speaking of... I saw that character finally unmasked on YT in recent years and is still pretty cringe in terms of "truth" he spits. But at least he's not just a weird Samsung fanboy culty voice from the ether any longer.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally Posted by cminer72

I'd be more worried about the LG electronics lasting more than the panel. The LG motherboards are garbage. The panels are highly prone to dead pixels too. The OLED fad is overrated. Vincent is a paid shill.

Eh? I've got a couple of 10 year old LG LED televisions that are still going strong. And both of my 2016 LED televisions are working fine...
And there's nothing wrong with Vincent's reviews... If you don't like them. Don't watch them!

[wxman2003]

Originally Posted by cminer72

I'd be more worried about the LG electronics lasting more than the panel. The LG motherboards are garbage. The panels are highly prone to dead pixels too. The OLED fad is overrated. Vincent is a paid shill.

Such a fad that Samsung Display has switched over to making QD-OLED. Now 2 major companies are making OLED panels. Soon, a 3rd one will be up and running in China. Darn those fads!

[I DO BLU]

27-inch LG UltraGear OLED Monitor Review - First Proof of MLA Panel! - YouTube

[nick4Knight]

He and others speculate that the monitor doesn't do higher than 600~ nits because of technical limitation in power to go higher, and because of pixel pitch and a choice from manufacturer to be conservative... thing is I would wanna use a monitor with MLA tech for grading and so 1000 nits would be what i expect to spend the money this will fetch.

The strongest thing that display has going for it is 240hz refresh and I'm not a gamer. Hopefully the QD-OLED PC monitor displays this year are improved over last. Watching this space, as they say.

[PissedOffPeoN]

Originally Posted by Jay Mammoth

LG OLEDs are amazing. My C6 from 2016 still working perfectly.

how many hours are on that tv .

[mackiedog]

My 2018 65 b8 has almost 24,000 hours on it.
It still works beautifully. Yes I compared it to other TVs in the home and elsewhere. Am I lucky or is it that I mix and match video content. I have some technical knowledge and this oled , "knock on wood", is special.
Take care John M.

[Derb]

Originally Posted by mackiedog

My 2018 65 b8 has almost 24,000 hours on it.
It still works beautifully. Yes I compared it to other TVs in the home and elsewhere. Am I lucky or is it that I mix and match video content. I have some technical knowledge and this oled , "knock on wood", is special.
Take care John M.

Am at 5800 ish hours now in under 2 years with my 2021 C1.

I figure since practically most of all those hours spent is gaming + mostly HDR with no slowing down there I should cook my OLED. Maybe I got a good Panel. Dunno.

I still turn off the TV after 4-6 hours, let it do it’s Mini Pixel Refresher, than wait 10 minutes & turn on & use it for another 4-6 hours. Rarely have I ever left the TV on in 1-go longer than 8 hours. That aside from cleaning the dust off the TV is the only babysitting I’ve done.

[deatheats]

A little over 15000 hours on my now 8 year old LG EC9300. Serves as my bedroom TV, but hopefully lasts a while as it’s my only 3d display.

[I DO BLU]

Samsung 2023 QD-OLED & Neo QLED TV Lineup - 5 Things You Need to Know - YouTube

[I DO BLU]

Before You Buy A Soundbar, You MUST Listen to The Sound from This OLED TV - YouTube

[I DO BLU]

Sony Unleash World's 1st QD-OLED with 4K 120Hz Dolby Vision - YouTube

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by cminer72

I'd be more worried about the LG electronics lasting more than the panel. The LG motherboards are garbage. The panels are highly prone to dead pixels too. The OLED fad is overrated. Vincent is a paid shill.

IMO best overall offering for the typical enthusiast right now is the Samsung QN90 series. Really nice contrast, high brightness that can do more with HDR and doesn't require a fully blacked out theater at all times for top quality, no burn-in. QN90 series is super high visual fidelity similar to OLED, without the OLED functionality downsides.

IMO OLED is in its twilight years for TVs. MicroLED has it beat everywhere except price, and that will change in time. Once OLED is no longer perceived as top tier quality and becomes at best a mid-range offering, that segment will go for Mini LED because of it's better brightness+ it doesn't have the burn in concern. At the entry level, edge lit LED will have it beat in price. MicroLED will be to OLED , what OLED was to Plasma.

In the meantime until MicroLED is affordable, I will enjoy Mini LED!