HDTVTEST (Vincent Teoh) Discussion Thread

[DisplayCalNoob]

Originally Posted by I DO BLU

So because he has different opinion on placebo vision he
is a shill and knows nothing. Proves the placebo vision worshipers are the ones who are what they accuse others of being, placebo vision is the greatest thing ever oh by the way LG is dropping placebo vision from some of there tvs

We haven't got confirmation from LG yet, if it is true, why keep it on the premium models?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by I DO BLU

So because he has different opinion on placebo vision he
is a shill and knows nothing. Proves the placebo vision worshipers are the ones who are what they accuse others of being, placebo vision is the greatest thing ever oh by the way LG is dropping placebo vision from some of there tvs

There are different opinions, then there's the sort of biased, sensationalist clickbait nonsense that FOMO puts out. Bilge, utter bilge.

[mrtickleuk]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

There are different opinions, then there's the sort of biased, sensationalist clickbait nonsense that FOMO puts out. Bilge, utter bilge.

Agreed. Thank goodness that his videos are not on topic for this thread and we don't have to waste our time discussing a . Of course, people are perfectly free to create a "FOMO discussion thread" if they like, and post links to his videos there instead of here.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by Jay Mammoth

He sucks, like I said I will never click on a video with his thumbnail. Vincent is much better.

You must have shares in Dolby. Anyway, FOMO seems knowledgeable and communicates in a way the average consumer can understand what he's talking about. However, he does generate FOMO as opposed to stopping FOMO.

Captain LG, Vincent, is the biggest shill of them all.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by DisplayCalNoob

FOMO comes off like a Shill, he's always on a campaign against Dolby Vision.

The problem with Dolby Vision and Atmos for that matter is that streaming companies are charging the consumer a premium to get content that includes Dolby Vision and Atmos. More TVs should include HDR+ which is free, with no licensing fees.

[I DO BLU]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

There are different opinions, then there's the sort of biased, sensationalist clickbait nonsense that FOMO puts out. Bilge, utter bilge.

True but like I said the biased I won’t watch Fomo because he is not a placebo vision worshipper is asinine is in fact the same bias they accuse fomo of. If placebo vision is not looked at by anyone as the greatest thing ever you are a clown. This is just like the hd dvd fanboys worshipping Amir when he was spouting his fud.its also funny how one of the best 4k movies is Oppenheimer which guess what does not have placebo vision how can that be true

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by I DO BLU

True but like I said the biased I won’t watch Fomo because he is not a placebo vision worshipper is asinine is in fact the same bias they accuse fomo of. If placebo vision is not looked at by anyone as the greatest thing ever you are a clown. This is just like the hd dvd fanboys worshipping Amir when he was spouting his fud.its also funny how one of the best 4k movies is Oppenheimer which guess what does not have placebo vision how can that be true

A movie can have Dobly Vision and look good. A movie can have HDR10 and look good. These are not mutually exclusive events, never have been. But there are actual, factual benefits that DV offers vs HDR10, I'd list them to you but your own biases are on spectacular view and so I doubt you'd listen.

I don't however believe that DV is the root cause of HDR looking good, I mean it and HDR10 share the same parameters at their core, so all the people who gush about it looking so good vs HDR10 just have crap HDR10 tone mapping. But DV does have benefits nonetheless, it's the cherry on top rather than the whole blancmange.

What FOMO does is take various things to do with DV and twist them to fit his anti-DV narrative like that recent silliness with Netflix encoding their DV stuff more efficiently, fuelling the rabid fervour of people like yourself which is prolly exactly what he's banking on, offering an 'alternative viewpoint' to the mainstream. But sometimes a kook is just a kook.

Originally Posted by Auditor55

The problem with Dolby Vision and Atmos for that matter is that streaming companies are charging the consumer a premium to get content that includes Dolby Vision and Atmos. More TVs should include HDR+ which is free, with no licensing fees.

Erm...hardware companies have to pay a yearly fee for 10+ usage.

[Jay Mammoth]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

You must have shares in Dolby. Anyway, FOMO seems knowledgeable and communicates in a way the average consumer can understand what he's talking about. However, he does generate FOMO as opposed to stopping FOMO.

Captain LG, Vincent, is the biggest shill of them all.

You sound just as dumb as FOMO lol, take your shillness to another thread and keep this one on topic.

[jess1581]

Lol @ placebo vision. And HDR is just crayola.

[I DO BLU]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

A movie can have Dobly Vision and look good. A movie can have HDR10 and look good. These are not mutually exclusive events, never have been. But there are actual, factual benefits that DV offers vs HDR10, I'd list them to you but your own biases are on spectacular view and so I doubt you'd listen.

I don't however believe that DV is the root cause of HDR looking good, I mean it and HDR10 share the same parameters at their core, so all the people who gush about it looking so good vs HDR10 just have crap HDR10 tone mapping. But DV does have benefits nonetheless, it's the cherry on top rather than the whole blancmange.

What FOMO does is take various things to do with DV and twist them to fit his anti-DV narrative like that recent silliness with Netflix encoding their DV stuff more efficiently, fuelling the rabid fervour of people like yourself which is prolly exactly what he's banking on, offering an 'alternative viewpoint' to the mainstream. But sometimes a kook is just a kook.



Erm...hardware companies have to pay a yearly fee for 10+ usage.

No I don’t have bias I am pointing out that those who worship Placebo vision are no better then what they claim fomo is doing. If you like it fine but it’s not the greatest thing ever created , they say I will not buy anything unless it has placebo vision so who is the true shill or the one with the real bias. Oppenheimer must be condemned and Mr Nolan must be condemned because he didn’t use placebo vision.

[Geoff D]

Oh stop it, you're killing me here

[Jay Mammoth]

Originally Posted by jess1581

Lol @ placebo vision. And HDR is just crayola.

Yeah he’s not too bright, people getting triggered by a technology lmao

[jess1581]

Originally Posted by Jay Mammoth

Yeah he’s not too bright, people getting triggered by a technology lmao

He's certainly lacking in that dynamic range.

[DisplayCalNoob]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

The problem with Dolby Vision and Atmos for that matter is that streaming companies are charging the consumer a premium to get content that includes Dolby Vision and Atmos. More TVs should include HDR+ which is free, with no licensing fees.

One, DV and HDR10+ are not equals. Two, Netflix increased its price early on when 4K HDR streaming started taking off. So naturally the others would as wellas their cost to maintain servers has gone up, where most of bandwidth requirements come resolution not HDR.

[tama]

Originally Posted by I DO BLU

No I don’t have bias I am pointing out that those who worship Placebo vision are no better then what they claim fomo is doing. If you like it fine but it’s not the greatest thing ever created , they say I will not buy anything unless it has placebo vision so who is the true shill or the one with the real bias. Oppenheimer must be condemned and Mr Nolan must be condemned because he didn’t use placebo vision.

Right on f'n, cue

[Cortiz]

Placebo Vision does have it benefits specially if a TV HDR10 performance is crap. It also helps with certain discs that have bad encoding in HDR10 (by Shout, SC to name a few). But yeah, it's a bit overhype due to the fact that there's simply no TV's on the market yet that can handle the full technical capability it offers.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by Jay Mammoth

You sound just as dumb as FOMO lol, take your shillness to another thread and keep this one on topic.

You are all into feelings because someone said something about Dolby Vision you don't like. BTW, what are those shares going for?

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by Cortiz

Placebo Vision does have it benefits specially if a TV HDR10 performance is crap. It also helps with certain discs that have bad encoding in HDR10 (by Shout, SC to name a few). But yeah, it's a bit overhype due to the fact that there's simply no TV's on the market yet that can handle the full technical capability it offers.

Please tell us what type of TV would that be?

[Jay Mammoth]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

Please tell us what type of TV would that be?

FOMO, stop trolling this thread. Don’t you have more lame videos to make for the dolts that follow you lol

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Cortiz

Placebo Vision does have it benefits specially if a TV HDR10 performance is crap. It also helps with certain discs that have bad encoding in HDR10 (by Shout, SC to name a few). But yeah, it's a bit overhype due to the fact that there's simply no TV's on the market yet that can handle the full technical capability it offers.

Hmmm. There's no TV on the market (or even professionally) that can handle what HDR can do in general, being full BT.2020 coverage and 10,000 nits of brightness, all Dobly adds to it is full 12-bit gradations (for FEL). So knocking it for that is rather short-sighted in general, and if people think that having a full 12-bit display is going to entirely transform how DV looks then I've got some magic beans to sell them.

BUT - and it's a big but - there are clearly defined benefits to DV, and ironically enough the biggest one is the least talked about IMO, ESPECIALLY by internet 'personalities': the ability of FEL to 'fill in' the encoding of piss-poor base layers as you say. Add to that the dynamic metadata which is a massive help on my TV when it comes to dealing with Light Cannon™️ HDR grades, though mileages will vary according to how well a TV tone maps HDR10 to begin with, and the full 12-bit output helps with showing less banding even on a 10-bit TV like my own.

HDR10 is the wrong side of the Barten threshold that states that PQ HDR needs at least 11 bits to ward off banding (it's why Dobly gave it away for free to begin with) and so it can still happen occasionally on 10-bit HDR content, but with the 12-bit FEL extension the banding is eradicated. How can this be? My ZD9 has 14-bit internal processing so it's able to 'oversample' the imagery, i.e. when it's fed a true 12-bit signal it can still bake those benefits into the output seen on the 10-bit display. Same principle as Sony's own Super Bit Mapping techniques.

So yeah, Dobly does things that I can physically see in action. If other people don't want to see them, don't need to see them, then that's fine, but they do exist and they do make a difference. Do they make a world of difference? No, not all the time because HDR10 and DV literally share the same transfer function, HDR10 is a Dobly invention after all, but it's as I said: Dobly Vision is the cherry on top.