Silver Age 3-D 1966-1997 including the 1980s 3D revival

[jimqk]

Originally Posted by cinerama

Only one left in stock now.

And now it's sold out again. I'm supremely confident this is doing very well. We also know for a fact that Parasite is doing very well. Back in May, the Kino Insider reported that sales for Parasite were "great," and was a Top 3 seller.

[dvdmrp]

Originally Posted by Robert Furmanek

Haha, good point.

At this moment in time, there is a possibility of securing another five Golden Age features for restoration.

That said, the sales on Taza, Son of Cochise and Wings of the Hawk need to be VERY strong in order for that to happen.

If those under-perform, most likely only one will become a reality.

Well, Let's speculate the possibilities. They could be more independent 3d not by a major studio like Robot Monster. They could be some from various studios, or they could be from studio deals and Kino.

On the Kino forum, they said that they hope to seal the "small studio deal" soon.

Could it be another MGM deal?

MGM has some 3D films not yet restored released. Let's see.

Bwana Devil (perhaps shouts license is done? They are not renewing many of their MGM films. Many have gone or are going OOP this year. )

Southwest Passage (maybe they will restore the existing 3d and release it partially 3d from what survives?)

Diamond Wizard (think it would be MGM)

I' The Jury (its listed as United Artists...could be MGM)

(that's four) I think MGM also has I was a burlesque Queen aka Linda Be Good as it was released by Eagle Lion and many of those are now with MGM.

That makes five MGM and he mentions 5 might be coming on their plate. Could this be from a new MGM deal?

Otherwise, Sony has 5 as of yet unreleased 3D titles
Fort Ti
Nebraskan
Stranger Wore a Gun
Drums of Tahiti
Jesse James Vs the Daltons

Now this, while awesome, seems unrealistic as Sony does their restorations in house. Not sure if they would let 3dFA work their magic. Also as of yet, Kino has no deals with Sony.
However Scream does have a deal with them. Maybe they could release some 3D titles and let 3DFA supervise?

Otherwise, other options could be

Hannah Lee
Robot Monster
Cat Women on the Moon

Those would only work if bob found 3d prints of them. i know Wade Williams has the negs but if they are considered public domain, I wonder if Bob could do the best he can to release 3d blurays from 3d prints?
Not sure. Most likely not it.

Other options

Money From Home- maybe Olive lost their rights? prolly not
Glass Web- maybe the rights got cleared?
Flight to Tangier- maybe the person with the elements decided to let Bob use them?
Hondo- Maybe Paramount was willing to work with Wayne family for 3D?


I highly doubt it would be any warner titles.

Plus if it is MGM I'm really praying that shout also lost their rights to Treasure of the Four Crowns. That silver age title is begging for a 3D release!

Either way, I'm thrilled for anything 3D coming out and if it is restored by the 3DFA it will look great!

[jimqk]

Maybe Gorilla At Large is one of the five Golden Age features? I don't think it's any of the three Wade Williams properties, or any of the Warner properties, but it could be a combination of Fox/Disney which owns Gorilla At Large, the MGM properties and the Columbia properties. It's going to take a long time to eventually find out. Twilight Time had the rights for Gorilla At Large, but they've gone out of business, so maybe Kino or Shout or Indicator has access to it?

With regard to the unannounced project, I think I know what it is, but I'm not going to say.

[robtadrian]

I thought Screen Archives now own the rights to Twilight Time, so they can reissue but can they release new tiltles?

Also, i wonder if the owner of Panamint has reconsidered issuing another title.

Finally on the Kino thread, the insider replied to a question about Taza's sales

[Camps]

Originally Posted by robtadrian

Finally on the Kino thread, the insider replied to a question about Taza's sales

Yeah... but he says just "okay"....

If #29 among all Westerns on Amazon is just "okay," I wonder if KL is adjusting the bar higher in deciding upon future 3D releases.... ?

Of course, of necessity KL is going to be muted in its responses; they're not going to say "spectacular" if there's even the slightest hesitation about future 3D titles.

But I have to wonder: Do certain genres perform better on 3D blu ray than others? Boy, how I'd love someday to see how KL did with sales of Gog and The Maze vs. Taza (once sufficient numbers are in) and Those Redheads from Seattle -- and should this influence 3DFA's and KL's decisions on which titles to prioritize in the queue....?

[revgen]

I interpret "okay" to mean "it's early".

Bob said in the past that their deal with Kino Lorber is simple. Each release must at least break even. If they make a profit, that's great too, but they can't lose money.

I believe Taza is selling and units are moving, but they haven't reached the break even point yet.

[pixote]

Originally Posted by revgen

I interpret "okay" to mean "it's early".

Bob said in the past that their deal with Kino Lorber is simple. Each release must at least break even. If they make a profit, that's great too, but they can't lose money.

I believe Taza is selling and units are moving, but they haven't reached the break even point yet.

Being #1 in Westerns is like being the best skier from Morocco before the Winter Olympics. It’s an accomplishment, but still doesn’t mean much in the grand scheme of things.

Look at the Twilight Time releases. It took 4 years to sell 3,000 copies of Gun Fury. Arrow sells 3,000 units of unknown horror films within a few months. Beyond the Door just sold 6,000 copies in a little under 3 months. I’m sure Silent Madness will move also.

Anyhow, the good news is that Dynasty reached its goal, so as long as they keep doing kickstarters things will be ok

According to google KINO does around 5m a year in revenue, yet didn’t announce Dynasty with the 3DFA until the 10k Kickstarter was met. If Taza or 3D sales were doing well I don’t think they would have required a Kickstarter, but I don’t pretend to know the inner workings and could be wrong

[revgen]

Gun Fury came out almost 3 years ago in September 2017. So it sold out in less than 3 years. Granted, it probably would have taken longer if Twilight Time hadn't had a closeout sale. Twilight Time's $30 pricing structure is difficult to swallow for many.

I'm aware that 50's westerns won't sell as quickly as 80's horror films. But they still move units. Especially if they have an A-list star as the lead. Kino's pricing structure is more friendly than TT's as well, so I don't think Taza will struggle to move units quite as much as TT did.

Dynasty was a Kickstarter partly because Bob ran out of $$ when the Africa Screams project ran into unforeseen technical difficulties, and the rights holders for Dynasty apparently didn't have a problem with crowdfunding. This is not always the case.

[pixote]

I’m just saying Kino was quick to take credit. The announcement reads like it’s their release with 3DFA doing the restore, which may just be how they worded it, but I assume they were aware Bob had it before the Kickstarter began. As opposed to just funding it for Bob even though they’re a multi million dollar company, Bob needed to raise the funds himself.

[jimqk]

Originally Posted by pixote

I’m just saying Kino was quick to take credit. The announcement reads like it’s their release with 3DFA doing the restore, which may just be how they worded it, but I assume they were aware Bob had it before the Kickstarter began. As opposed to just funding it for Bob even though they’re a multi million dollar company, Bob needed to raise the funds himself.

It could also be that 3DFA arranged for Kino to tentatively obtain the rights for the movie with the understanding that release of it on Blu-ray was contingent on Bob's Kickstarter raising enough money to restore it. Because of the fact TV manufacturers no longer are producing 3D capable TVs, another requirement could be inclusion of an anaglyph 3-D version, as well. I actually wonder now whether Wings of the Hawk will be released in compatible 3-D?

Whatever the case, hopefully sales of Taza are doing very well. It sure looks like it's been doing well. Copies have sold out twice already on Amazon, and there are lots of favorable reviews.

[BleedOrange11]

I think the best thing we can hope for right now is a Kino-MGM mini deal. That could potentially include rights for Southwest Passage, The Diamond Wizard, and Bwana Devil (assuming Shout's license is expired), as well as Treasure of the Four Crowns (assuming Shout's license is expired) and Emmanuelle IV.

[Camps]

Originally Posted by BleedOrange11

I think the best thing we can hope for right now is a Kino-MGM mini deal. That could potentially include rights for Southwest Passage, The Diamond Wizard, and Bwana Devil (assuming Shout's license is expired), as well as Treasure of the Four Crowns (assuming Shout's license is expired) and Emmanuelle IV.

^ This

[jimqk]

Well, Shout is releasing a Friday the 13th set that will include, finally, a true Blu-ray 3-D version of Part 3. We don't know yet who is responsible for the restoration, but it is not the 3-D Film Archive.

[Interdimensional]

I see in the Friday the 13th comments some are saying that Shout will probably do the same for Nightmare on Elm Street.

I don't know if there's any basis for this conjecture, or if that's something that could actually happen, but if it did, how likely is it that they would include the Freddy's Dead 3-D segment in non-anaglyph 3-D format? (This also came up in the comments.)





It's a Silver Age film that doesn't tend to come up much among discussion of Silver Age 3-D. Presumably because it came well after the 80s revival, and because it's only partially 3-D and wasn't a full polarised release. It's a popular series and I assume they use the 3-D for some imaginative effects. I've held off on watching it after some bad experiences with 80s anaglyph conversions.

[BleedOrange11]

The release prints were in 35mm color anaglyph. Have no idea if they could find the original 3D film elements in Warner's vaults.

[atomik kinder]

Originally Posted by Interdimensional

It's a Silver Age film that doesn't tend to come up much among discussion of Silver Age 3-D. Presumably because it came well after the 80s revival, and because it's only partially 3-D and wasn't a full polarised release. It's a popular series and I assume they use the 3-D for some imaginative effects. I've held off on watching it after some bad experiences with 80s anaglyph conversions.

I saw this in the theater and only about the last five minutes are 3D. It wasn't that great.

[Interdimensional]

Originally Posted by BleedOrange11

The release prints were in 35mm color anaglyph. Have no idea if they could find the original 3D film elements in Warner's vaults.

If they were to remaster the film, that would involve going back to the original elements, and the negative if possible. They've presented it in 2d on the bluray, so they have at least one of the two sides from before it was processed into anaglyph prints. If they have one, I presume they have the other, but who knows.

I hadn't considered that New Line were part of WB. That might prove an insurmountable obstacle. Maybe Shout could at least get WB to look again at the viability of mastering 3D? Maybe they could talk to them about other WB titles, like Phantom of the Rue Morgue? I'm getting carried away.

Originally Posted by atomik kinder

I saw this in the theater and only about the last five minutes are 3D. It wasn't that great.

It was colour anaglyph, not exactly a recipe for success. And it's longer than that, it's over 10 minutes.

[Hedji]

How would a film like Freddy's Dead work with equipment, since it's only one segment in 3D?

Would my projector automatically switch from 2D to 3D mode? Would it know to do that, or would I have to force it?

I still have my theatrical glasses from that movie, and they are indeed anaglyph.

[BleedOrange11]

The BD would have to have the entire runtime in 3D or just have the 3D segment accessible as a bonus feature.

[atomik kinder]

Originally Posted by Hedji

How would a film like Freddy's Dead work with equipment, since it's only one segment in 3D?

Would my projector automatically switch from 2D to 3D mode? Would it know to do that, or would I have to force it?

I still have my theatrical glasses from that movie, and they are indeed anaglyph.

I am not an expert, but the red and cyan images are printed as one image, so there is no need to switch equipment. Right?