HDR Discussion Thread

[PaulGo]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Although I’ve posted about HDR10+ and Technicolor HDR, especially most recently, as a reminder to full disclosure, I favor Dolby Vision’s approach and have gone on record as saying so, e.g. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...n#post12192776 because among other things, scientifically, it is more technically elegant and future-proof.

But, keep in mind, we are all different and I’m picky about favoring a lot of things in life which the general public might not feel is needed for their purposes, e.g. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...r#post10776283

Even when I relax - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...s#post14022479 <- considering the expense.

Anyway, I believe that competition makes all the HDR approaches better, in one way or another.

If there is a substantial price difference in licensing fees and hardware then HDR+ will be the clear winner. Dolby may feel some pressure and lower the licensing fee. If the price difference is marginal then it will it will be PR and reviews which will determine the winner. One other factor to consider is Samsung's dominance the TV area in the US along with many sought after titles on Fox which could tip the scales to HDR10+.

I personally prefer an open standard such as HDR10+ and if the reviews show DV and HDR10+ about the same I feel HDR10+ will become dominant.

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

If there is a substantial price difference in licensing fees and hardware then HDR+ will be the clear winner. Dolby may feel some pressure and lower the licensing fee. If the price difference is marginal then it will it will be PR and reviews which will determine the winner. One other factor to consider is Samsung's dominance the TV area in the US along with many sought after titles on Fox which could tip the scales to HDR10+.

I personally prefer an open standard such as HDR10+ and if the reviews show DV and HDR10+ about the same I feel HDR10+ will become dominant.

Avatar 2 and Deadpool 2, for example.

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

An interesting thing about that picture is that it shows HDR10+ working via HDMI on a 2017 TV.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

If there is a substantial price difference in licensing fees and hardware then HDR+ will be the clear winner. Dolby may feel some pressure and lower the licensing fee. If the price difference is marginal then it will it will be PR and reviews which will determine the winner. One other factor to consider is Samsung's dominance the TV area in the US along with many sought after titles on Fox which could tip the scales to HDR10+.

I personally prefer an open standard such as HDR10+ and if the reviews show DV and HDR10+ about the same I feel HDR10+ will become dominant.

This reminds me of stuff Toshiba was saying about their format in 2006.

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

All the premium hdmi cables seem to go up to 15 feet and even those are priced higher than even my UHD player [emoji849]

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My search brought up $16.94 for 15 ft. black.
Don't use the word premium in your search, everybodyyyy mis-uses that word to SELL cables.
I used the following search string "Monoprice hdmi certified 15ft".
So I guess your player cost less than $17 ? (Couldn't resist sarcasm button)

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

This reminds me of stuff Toshiba was saying about their format in 2006.

HDR10+ is a royalty free open format while Dolby Vision is a proprietary licensed format which requires you to sign an NDA. I remember several bloggers throughout 2016 stating that Dolby Vision would work with any AV receiver that had HDMI 1.4. It wasn't until a few months ago that we found out that was wrong and that AV receivers would need to be Dolby Vision compatible. That is an impressive level of secrecy that was maintained for over a year. Insiders have said that Dolby Vision and HDR10+ can't be put on the same disc but is that because of a technical issue or because of a licensing requirement from Dolby? From a corporate perspective it might make sense for Dolby Vision to be under NDA but as a consumer I like knowing how things work.

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

HDR10+ is a royalty free open format while Dolby Vision is a proprietary licensed format which requires you to sign an NDA. I remember several bloggers throughout 2016 stating that Dolby Vision would work with any AV receiver that had HDMI 1.4. It wasn't until a few months ago that we found out that was wrong and that AV receivers would need to be Dolby Vision compatible. That is an impressive level of secrecy that was maintained for over a year. Insiders have said that Dolby Vision and HDR10+ can't be put on the same disc but is that because of a technical issue or because of a licensing requirement from Dolby? From a corporate perspective it might make sense for Dolby Vision to be under NDA but as a consumer I like knowing how things work.

Don't mind him. He's just salty because he knows the only way he'll be able to view Avatar 2 and Deadpool 2, along with the next X-Men movie, in dynamic HDR on disc will be with HDR10+ compatible equipment.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

HDR10+ is a royalty free open format while Dolby Vision is a proprietary licensed format which requires you to sign an NDA.

Which is like a lot of technologies used. Linux is free yet you won't find it on the desktop of most businesses.

I remember several bloggers throughout 2016 stating that Dolby Vision would work with any AV receiver that had HDMI 1.4. It wasn't until a few months ago that we found out that was wrong and that AV receivers would need to be Dolby Vision compatible. That is an impressive level of secrecy that was maintained for over a year.

Bloggers. I wouldn't solely rely on info from bloggers about anything. And it does. A/V receivers add their own little pass through things for on screen menus and the like. They process every video signal. They don't recognize the Dolby metadata. But technically you could put DV through a 1.4 HDMI directly to a TV and it would work.

Insiders have said that Dolby Vision and HDR10+ can't be put on the same disc but is that because of a technical issue or because of a licensing requirement from Dolby?

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out it would take a very large amount of data bandwidth for both to be on there.
Not to mention both require a HDR10 layer for backwards compatibility. Two competing dynamic HDR schemes using the same HDR10 layer would not work in the authoring packages.

From a corporate perspective it might make sense for Dolby Vision to be under NDA but as a consumer I like knowing how things work.

Are you this way about the proprietary audio compression schemes used?
There are numerous whitepapers on Dolby Vision.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

if the reviews show DV and HDR10+ about the same

Theoretically, DV is superior (12 bit, frame-by-frame support, etc.), in practice, we’ll see if consumers can discern a meaningful difference upon viewing.

[Penton-Man]

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...l#post14012280
^ now sold out.

[Staying Salty]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

Don't mind him. He's just salty because he knows the only way he'll be able to view Avatar 2 and Deadpool 2, along with the next X-Men movie, in dynamic HDR on disc will be with HDR10+/Dolby Vision compatible equipment.

There, fixed it for us.

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by Staying Salty

There, fixed it for us.

Those are Fox movies. No DV on disc for Fox releases.

[Staying Salty]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

All of the optional layers (DV, HDR10+, and Technicolor HDR if it ever finds its way onto disc) will account for a very minuscule percentage of UHD blu ray discs.

What leads you to think this?

I believe that when HDR10+ is added to the Blu-ray specs, within a year >97.7% of the new HDR disks will have a dynamic metadata second layer.

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by Staying Salty

What leads you to think this?

I believe that when HDR10+ is added to the Blu-ray specs, within a year >97.7% of the new HDR disks will have a dynamic metadata second layer.

Studios don't appear to be very motivated to slap dynamic HDR on there since HDR10 is more than good enough already, and TVs continue to improve upon their ability to display it correctly.

[Staying Salty]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

Those are Fox movies. No DV on disc for Fox releases.

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

Don't mind him. He's just salty because he knows the only way he'll be able to view Avatar 2 and Deadpool 2, along with the next X-Men movie, in dynamic HDR on disc will be with HDR10+/Dolby Vision compatible equipment.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by gkolb

My search brought up $16.94 for 15 ft. black.
Don't use the word premium in your search, everybodyyyy mis-uses that word to SELL cables.
I used the following search string "Monoprice hdmi certified 15ft".
So I guess your player cost less than $17 ? (Couldn't resist sarcasm button)

I'll try a search using those key words but I need a cable of at least 20 feet. The one that I have is 25 feet and worked great with my previous player but not with new one

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[Adrian Wright]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

In other words, you're predicting that it will have similar content support to DV.

Even DTS-X has more support than DV at this moment in time I agree. So we have movies from one studio to get excited about with HDR10+ or am I missing the point? Those 3 logos look awfully lonely on the picture provided.

[RockyIII]

All my money is on DV after watching Despicable Me 1 and 2

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[mrtickleuk]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

An interesting thing about that picture is that it shows HDR10+ working via HDMI on a 2017 TV.

Yes. I noticed that too. It leads me to believe that either
* those TVs are HDMI2.1, or
* HDR10+ doesn't need HDMI2.1 after all.
?

I think my logic is sound, happy to be corrected

[Geoff D]

Manufacturers often have special sauce firmware/hardware running that can overcome existing constraints when demo-ing things like this, I wouldn't read too much into those pictures either way.