Pioneer Elite BDP-LX500

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by gkolb

Ahem, Did you miss the announcement? Mill Creek takes the bow for HDR10+. Read more than the first post.


A Beautiful Planet and Journey to the South Pacific IMAX Films (Mill Creek)
Dec 11, 2018

I heard HDR10+ was coming from 20th Century Fox in the future, however I did miss the post about Mill Creek offering the first HDR10+ encoded Blu-ray disc in December. Thanks for the info.

Any high-end Blu-ray player that does not offer both HDR10+ and Dolby Vision HDR well be a deal breaker for me now. Consumers need to flood Pioneer with emails requesting either a second generation 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray player with HDR10+ or if technically possible the existing Pioneer Elite UDP-LX500 needs a firmware update to offer HDR10+ if the hardware supports it.

[BLMN]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

I heard HDR10+ was coming from 20th Century Fox in the future, however I did miss the post about Mill Creek offering the first HDR10+ encoded Blu-ray disc in December. Thanks for the info.

Any high-end Blu-ray player that does not offer both HDR10+ and Dolby Vision HDR well be a deal breaker for me now. Consumers need to flood Pioneer with emails requesting either a second generation 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray player with HDR10+ or if technically possible the existing Pioneer Elite UDP-LX500 needs a firmware update to offer HDR10+ if the hardware supports it.

HDR10+ is not even supported by all TV manufacturers, lets give it some time.

[gkolb]

Don’t give up hope. I thought Oppo hinted the 203/205 could get a HDR10+ update down the road.
(Someone in the 203 thread dropped this hint a while back.)

[RalphoR]

I guess the question is if existing hardware can be upgraded to HDR10+. Not sure if it's an easy software update or if more is involved. It would be nice to know the process and which hardware (players and TVs) can be upgraded.

[JohnAV]

IMHO the majority of industry has a wait and see view of HDR10+ and this surprise release of two Mill Creek titles supporting it doesn’t change anyone’s opinion. It gives vendors some test media, but still represents an oddity/novelty rather than broad marketplace support. Samsung the principle behind this standard has worn out its friendship with always doing their own slanted comparisons to competitors and though Panasonic is using HDR10+ support as a marketing tool, the rest of the marketplace needs a lot more convincing to inspire Pioneer Electronics to add it.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by RalphoR

Pretty much what other members have said already. The LX500 and the LX800 players can play SACDs and DVD-A discs and also high res audio files. The X800 can play SACDs and DVD-A but not high res audio files nor can it decode DV. The Panasonic 820 and 9000 can't play SACDs and DVD-A discs but can decode high res audio files. Confusing for sure.

I'm playing high res files including surround flacs via USB as well as DSD files natively. I believe they only supported DVD-A on two models, the X800 being one of them, and then it's gone again. Nice job Sony after 19 years finally supporting DVD-A for one cycle of players, lol.

So as far as discs go for audio folks, there isn't anything missing and it's pretty much just HDR-related stuff like Dolby Vision. Maybe it doesn't support HDCDs I'm not sure, I've never cared about those but I do care about DVD-A and SACD so when my Pioneer 62FD crapped out this, for $228, seemed like a good choice.

[RalphoR]

If the X800 played DV movies it would probably be the absolute best bang for your buck. If you don't care about DV (or HDR10+) then why make a change? I'm guessing Sony will have a replacement for the X800 and X1000ES soon but there's no telling if they will support everything that the X800 and X1000ES do now. For a paltry $650 more you can upgrade to DV and 17 lbs of player weight!

[rjnichols]

Originally Posted by Kewl

No ExFAT support? No MKV playback? I'll keep my Oppo 203...

No exFat support, unbelievable on a state of the art player at $1000. Manual for EU version of the player also states USB 2.0 for the ports although I just can't beleive that, surely they must be 3.1!

[Mezzanine]

Originally Posted by rjnichols

Manual for EU version of the player also states USB 2.0 for the ports although I just can't beleive that, surely they must be 3.1!

If you check front and back you will se 5V 0.5A.

For USB 3.1 it should be 5V 0.9A.

It´s the same for UDP-LX800, no USB 3.0/3.1 port.

[LordoftheRings]

In these days and age you want high speed USB 3.0 (blue) ports. ...0.9A to 1.0A
I don't know if Pioneer is saving money by having only USB 2.0 ports.

USB 2.0 (black) = 480 Mbps
USB 3.0 highspeed (blue) = 5 Gbps
USB 3.1 superspeed (blue) = 10 Gbps
USB 3.2 ultraspeed (blue) = 20 Gbps

[RalphoR]

Probably saving money but also thinking the person who purchases the LX500 is most likely not using it for any high speed transmission but really only playing a/v discs.

[danny24]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

In these days and age you want high speed USB 3.0 (blue) ports. ...0.9A to 1.0A
I don't know if Pioneer is saving money by having only USB 2.0 ports.

USB 2.0 (black) = 480Mbs
USB 3.0 highspeed (blue) = 3Gbs
USB 3.0 superspeed (blue) = 5Gbs

There is not even wifi on it. It's supposed to be intentional from what I read.

No USB 3.0 is inexcusable for a 4K UHD player though.

This feels like an improved BDP-88FD except without all the bells and whistles inside (the BDP-88FD was a truly well built BD player).

This is for users that just care mainly about disc performance as I am sure the picture is amazing on this unit. The BDP-88FD has a really amazing picture on it to even with Qdeo as the chip used for video processing.

Anyone know what chip is used for the LX500?

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by danny24

There is not even wifi on it. It's supposed to be intentional from what I read.

No USB 3.0 is inexcusable for a 4K UHD player though.

This feels like an improved BDP-88FD except without all the bells and whistles inside (the BDP-88FD was a truly well built BD player).

This is for users that just care mainly about disc performance as I am sure the picture is amazing on this unit. The BDP-88FD has a really amazing picture on it to even with Qdeo as the chip used for video processing.

Anyone know what chip is used for the LX500?

There was a earlier image posted that showed the MTK companion on a CCA as the 8577A (MT8581 with the MT8577A).

See my previous post
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...1&postcount=76

[LordoftheRings]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPLi...ature=youtu.be

I just noticed that Robert typed BDP-LX500 in the thread's title instead of
UDP-LX500, a very minor typo.

[Robert Zohn]

It was 1st though to be the "Blu-ray Disc Player", hence the model # BDP-XXXXX, but became the "Ultra Disc Player" UDP-XXXXX.

[LordoftheRings]

It took me almost four months to notice. I blame only me for it.

[m8cme]

Hi All, first time poster, long time reader here. I'm taking the plunge into 4k and was putting together a home AV system with control4 integration. previously, i was seriously considering the panasonic ub820 for my 4k player, but when I found out that i wouldn't be able to integrate it with control4 I started to look at other players that could be controlled through control4. that led me to the LX500. my question to those who have experience with both the pioneer and panny ub820; is the panny a good enough player that would outweigh the lack of control4 integration as compared to the LX500? I know this is pretty subjective, but i was hoping for some feedback that could give me a good starting point in my decision making process. we typically watch more movies than listen to music alone, but thats not to say we wouldn't appreciate a finer music listening experience. our tv will be the sony a8f with arcam receiver avr390. is there anything else that I should be considering as i make my decision? appreciate the assistance. thanks

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by m8cme

Hi All, first time poster, long time reader here. I'm taking the plunge into 4k and was putting together a home AV system with control4 integration. previously, i was seriously considering the panasonic ub820 for my 4k player, but when I found out that i wouldn't be able to integrate it with control4 I started to look at other players that could be controlled through control4. that led me to the LX500. my question to those who have experience with both the pioneer and panny ub820; is the panny a good enough player that would outweigh the lack of control4 integration as compared to the LX500? I know this is pretty subjective, but i was hoping for some feedback that could give me a good starting point in my decision making process. we typically watch more movies than listen to music alone, but thats not to say we wouldn't appreciate a finer music listening experience. our tv will be the sony a8f with arcam receiver avr390. is there anything else that I should be considering as i make my decision? appreciate the assistance. thanks

If you are already setup for control4 I wouldn't consider the Panasonic DP-UB820 or the DP-UB9000 because neither product offers RS232 interface or IP Control. Neither did the previous DP-UB900. This is a deficiency of Panasonic current lineup, lack of home automation support.

If all you want is a universal UHD Player (yes even SACD/DVD-A) with Control4 the $999 UDP-LX500 is a nice fit offering good/video playback for your system with Dolby Vision support.

“The UDP-LX500 offers a variety of integration-friendly features. For connection flexibility, two HDMI outputs are onboard, allowing for a direct video connection to the display input of your choice, while still delivering Hi-Res sound to your AVR using the dedicated “Audio-Only” HDMI output,” said Rob Vieira, Product Planning & Training Manager. “One of the unit’s distinct advantages is its ability to calibrate the display’s input specifically for the UHD player for optimal video performance. On the control side of things, two-way RS-232 and IP control allows for enhanced driver options via major control system partners such as Control4 and Crestron.”

If you want something cheaper you could consider the Sony UBP-X1000ES which is certified by leading home control and automation system vendors including Control4, Crestron and Savant. Even if it doesn't have Dolby Vision, it would be a capable UHD player at only $499 at BB.

[RalphoR]

Does anyone know if a firmware upgrade for HDR10+ is possible for the LX500 at some point?

So quiet on this thread. Nobody has purchased this unit and has any thoughts to share?

[LordoftheRings]

Because everybody is busy with turkeys, Black Friday, Cyber Monday, and all the shopping news rush.
...All those 4K discs for only $8 and $9. There's no money left for an upgrade 4K BR player.