Pioneer Elite BDP-LX500

[BijouMan]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

IFA is geared to Europe like CES is geared to the US. You live in the US.

The only new "features" are Dolby Vision IQ and HDR10+ Adaptive which are TV features, not player features. And the lead company no longer makes BD players for the US.

You can wait till Hell freezes over - manufacturers have seen that UHD-BD is a niche format and doesn't require new players. That's why none have been announced.

Some of the things at IFA are released worldwide. Also, what is this "lead company" you speak of? I hope it's not Pioneer.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

Some of the things at IFA are released worldwide. Also, what is this "lead company" you speak of? I hope it's not Pioneer.

Samsung

[Waboman]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

I’ll still be patient. We’ll have a better chance at IFA.

You own the Vizio oled right? How are you watching your 4K UHD discs? You make it sound like the only player left in the world was from Japanese electronics company “P”. Whereas in reality there’s several players on the market right now. Whilst you wait for Japanese electronics company “P” to release a player, which in all likelihood will never happen, buy a cheap player from Japanese electronics company “S” or Korean electronics company Lucky Goldstar. Another option is to buy a player from Japanese electronics company “S” for its universal disc capabilities and a player from the other Japanese electrons company “P” for its HDR10+ capabilities. You’ll have the best of everything, will be less expensive then Japanese electronics company “P”, has HDR10+ (no waiting on a FW update) and the best part... wait for it... you can finally see and enjoy what that shiny new oled can do.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

AV1 is a type of streaming format. Ultra HD Blu-ray discs are encoded in HEVC (High Efficiency Video Coding, aka H.265 and MPEG-H Part 2).

AV1 is a Royalty-free codec that is aimed at replacing HEVC and AVC which are both Royalty bearing for video transmission over the internet. the AV1 reference encoder achieved 34%, 46.2% and 50.3% higher data compression than libvpx-vp9, x264 high profile, and x264 main profile respectively.

[BijouMan]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

AV1 is a Royalty-free codec that is aimed at replacing HEVC and AVC which are both Royalty bearing for video transmission over the internet. the AV1 reference encoder achieved 34%, 46.2% and 50.3% higher data compression than libvpx-vp9, x264 high profile, and x264 main profile respectively.

Exactly. It makes no sense to have AV1 on a player.

[BijouMan]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Samsung

OK. I think their Ultra HD Blu-ray players just didn't sell very well because there were much better players out there for those interested in the format and the rest of the consumer space has pretty much moved on to streaming.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

Exactly. It makes no sense to have AV1 on a player.

Many people use their BD player to stream video so it makes perfect sense. A dual purpose device. And it brings the cost down because they no longer have to pay the Royalties for AVC and HEVC as far as the streaming function of the player.

[Waboman]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

You think I'm going to buy two Ultra HD Blu-ray players?

My God, man! You’re not even using that new oled. Return it. You’re not worthy.

[BijouMan]

Originally Posted by Waboman

My God, man! You’re not even using that new oled. Return it. You’re not worthy.

[BijouMan]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Many people use their BD player to stream video so it makes perfect sense. A dual purpose device. And it brings the cost down because they no longer have to pay the Royalties for AVC and HEVC as far as the streaming function of the player.

Pioneer never had streaming apps. Besides, Blu-ray players' streaming apps go out of date fast. If you want to stream video, you either use your display's built-in apps or you buy an Apple TV, Fire TV or Roku.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

You think I'm going to buy two Ultra HD Blu-ray players?

A lot of people round here have 3 or 4.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by R3P0

Nice info Wendell, but in all honesty its just him he refuses to accept what everyone is telling him.

As stated earlier I would hate to see Pioneer (and Onkyo) go under. If I were in the market for a player I would procure a Panasonic and/or Sony, make the connections and start enjoying my content.

Some should remember when you went to the phone store you had to take a number and wait in line. Those days are gone, Best Buy closed all their mobile stores, AT&T sold all their stores, etc. Most any market can saturate and when it does business is going to fall off.

Awhile back Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos was talking about their success but he fully expected Amazon to be displaced by someone in the future. Who and how was a ? mark.

[Member-425016]

Just like Yamaha, Pioneer has come to an end with their BD players. Like I said earlier buy while you can because when there are no choices left people are really going to be SOL.

Panasonic will be the next to go dark, then the panic buying starts.

[Member-425016]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

I don't want to have a whole bunch of players lying around like many people on this forum. If I was one of those people, I wouldn't mind getting something else. Didn't you read my earlier post about how I buy things?

Short sighted if you are serious about Home theater physical media. At best you can probably get 15-20 years out of a BD player. Always have a back up. Future proof yourself, you'll feel better.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

A lot of people round here have 3 or 4.

Have 3, 1 Oppo and 2 Sony's. May add the Tascam to the rack.

[BijouMan]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

As stated earlier I would hate to see Pioneer (and Onkyo) go under. If I were in the market for a player I would procure a Panasonic and/or Sony, make the connections and start enjoying my content.

Some should remember when you went to the phone store you had to take a number and wait in line. Those days are gone, Best Buy closed all their mobile stores, AT&T sold all their stores, etc. Most any market can saturate and when it does business is going to fall off.

Awhile back Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos was talking about their success but he fully expected Amazon to be displaced by someone in the future. Who and how was a ? mark.

We still have AT&T and Best Buy stores where I live.

[Member-425016]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Have 3, 1 Oppo and 2 Sony's. May add the Tascam to the rack.

Thats what I'm talking about.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

I don't want to have a whole bunch of players lying around like many people on this forum. If I was one of those people, I wouldn't mind getting something else. Didn't you read my earlier post about how I choose what equipment to buy?

Actually they aren't "laying around". Most are stored in high quality AV racks. You wouldn't invest in that many player's just to treat them haphazardly.

[BijouMan]

Originally Posted by Filmfan73

Just like Yamaha, Pioneer has come to an end with their BD players. Like I said earlier buy while you can because when there are no choices left people are really going to be SOL.

Panasonic will be the next to go dark, then the panic buying starts.

Yamaha also makes motorcycles, WaveRunners, pianos, etc., not just A/V equipment. I keep saying it, but I have not heard explicit news about Pioneer exiting the player market. Like I said, I would be more than willing to see what happens at IFA. It's only a month away. When they introduced the SC-LX904, it became available worldwide. I've had enough of naysayers. Ultra HD Blu-ray turns five this Valentine's Day. A format should not lose support after its fifth year. DVD has survived for 25 years and Blu-ray has survived for 15 years.

UPDATE: It looks like Pioneer has, albeit quietly, left the disc player market. If you do want a machine with these features there is the MAGNETAR.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Filmfan73

Just like Yamaha, Pioneer has come to an end with their BD players. Like I said earlier buy while you can because when there are no choices left people are really going to be SOL.

Panasonic will be the next to go dark, then the panic buying starts.

Naa Panasonic seems to hone in on niche products that sell well. Their UHD BD players don'tt have that much competition, but they do have one problem they sell way too many cheap player models that should go. Canada has 3 UHD BD and 1 BD. Comparably in the UK they are nuts having 15 players. 8 being UHD players.

Pioneer has recently been a reminiscent of Yamaha, Denon, and like selling players that functionally were not necessarily superior but cost a lot more.

The last two pairs (BDP-LX55, BDP-LX88 models, and $1099/$2199 est for LX500/LX800 models) were not competitive, more to appeal to existing Pioneer owners.

If you compared the value to their Pioneer AVR's, it was really sad they priced their players so high. But now what have they got to offer just 2021 replacements for the under $1000 AVR crowd. Pioneer AV differently not chancing it on building expensive players anymore at this time.