Pioneer Elite BDP-LX500

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

The reason I got into HD Blu-ray was because I wanted to own a better standard of home video quality than DvD, but I'm not as exacting as some folk when it comes to that quality.

People thought I was nuts when I said HD Blu-ray will eventually become the standard for the majority of film's, the usual responses of oh only blockbusters will take advantage of it ect ect. Well HD Blu-ray has well and truly cemented itself as the standard.

When it comes to UHD Blu-ray, i see that as more of an enhancement than something other.

Even if film's are eventually offered digitally in 8K 1000 nits, I'm tapping out with just 4K UHD.

The standard for whom? Most people who buy discs still buy DVDs. HD production itself has been firmly entrenched for decades - perhaps too well given how difficult it is to convince western broadcasters to switch to 4K - but that's not the same thing as Blu being ubiquitous because it's not. Most weeks DVD still outsells BD and UHD put together.

[Member-425016]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I think we've established by now that the only reason many people get into newer formats is for the "pop", be it for audio, video or both. Even your man Vincent is guilty of falling into that trap and perpetuating that kind of cart-before-horse narrative, demanding that HDR give him a tan every time and if it doesn't then it's "fake". But then he knows what plays to his audience, there's nothing like a good controversy to generate them clicks, likes and subscribes.

On the audio side of things, I have actually grown tired of Atmos in most action movies. I used to think it was great fun being "immersed" in a sound field. Now it is just a chore to get through a busy Atmos track--- the explosions, and crashes are almost always so much louder than the dialogue.
Then it is a matter of adjusting the audio for the optimal "sweet spot" not too loud, not too soft because every disc is so radically different.

I can't tell you how many times I heard a crash, or break and from the surround audio in movie, and thought I had an intruder in my house from another room. Talk about something that takes me out of the film.

If I could do it all over again I'd just run 3.1 all front firing speakers...maybe not even that.

[Member-425016]

Originally Posted by wxman2003

I had both the 64F8500, and a Pioneer 5020. Although the F8500 was brighter, in fact the brightest consumer plasma ever made, its blacks were not as good as the Pioneer. Still a really good tv. Samsung screwed the owners over twice. First by not upgrading the evolution kit after 1 year, even though they said they would keep upgrading for 5 years, and 2nd, they stopped making replacement parts after 2 years. Their heat sink in that tv was so bad that if you didn't add external fans on the back of the tv, you risked capacitor failure due to overheating. And since they stopped making replacement boards, if you couldn't fix the boards yourself, you were out of luck. That's why I will never buy another Samsung. 13 years later, the 5020 is still running just fine at a friends house. The F8500 I sold in 2015, lasted another 2 years and died in 2017. So it only lasted 5 years, from when I bought it in 2012.

Guess I've just been lucky. Knock on wood.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Filmfan73

If I could do it all over again I'd just run 3.1 all front firing speakers...maybe not even that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE_m...ature=youtu.be

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The standard for whom? Most people who buy discs still buy DVDs. HD production itself has been firmly entrenched for decades - perhaps too well given how difficult it is to convince western broadcasters to switch to 4K - but that's not the same thing as Blu being ubiquitous because it's not. Most weeks DVD still outsells BD and UHD put together.

It's the standard among most enthusiasts, hence why your boutiques are churning out titles on Blu-ray, not DvD. Criterion being the exception.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

It's the standard among most enthusiasts, hence why your boutiques are churning out titles on Blu-ray, not DvD. Criterion being the exception.

Because they know we're the only idiots left who'd actually pay these kinds of prices for a single movie on a shiny disc.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Because they know we're the only idiots left who'd actually pay these kinds of prices for a single movie on a shiny disc.

I'll probably laugh at this post in the next 6 year's if, as I suspect, the Blu-ray legacy market goes the way of retro gaming on rocket fuel. Today's crazy prices will be nothing.

[Geoff D]

I definitely think they'll get more expensive but you make it sound like we'll be paying £100 just for a bare bones Blu-ray or something, it's not gonna get that crazy.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by smithb

For me the video capabilities, while a major component of a system, are not the be all end all to the overall experience. Other factors, such as screen size, audio, room dynamics, and presentation are all important factors as well. When I designed my HT I tried to balance all aspects.

Sometime back Penton-Man asked why I did not have a large high-end flat panel display because he knows that I am a retired professional A/V person. My response was I would rather have a imperfect picture on the right than a perfect picture on the left. HT is 133" 2.35 screen with a Sony VPL-VW600 4K projector with immersive audio using 13 loudspeakers. I don’t do video reviews because I do not have a Sony BVM-HX310 (or equivalent). Nowadays more interested eating rather than cooking.

[Show spoiler]

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I definitely think they'll get more expensive but you make it sound like we'll be paying £100 just for a bare bones Blu-ray or something, it's not gonna get that crazy.

Emm you seeing the price some Fox catalogue titles are going for?

[Member-425016]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

Emm you seeing the price some Fox catalogue titles are going for?

When it comes to pricing with Botique labels, or major studio releases we are given choices:

My Way or the Highway.mov - YouTube

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

Emm you seeing the price some Fox catalogue titles are going for?

Emm that's because they're OOP and with Disnee in charge will likely stay that way, not because the format itself is as scarce as rocking horse poo. As long as there isn't like one replication plant serving the whole planet we'll be alright, if anything the current prices are just as much to do with all the added tat as the discs themselves, and that marketing model will only grow over the coming years as they seek to add value. We often refer to the Laserdisc era of pricing and, funnily enough, many of the more expensive sets of that age came with books, CDs, booklets etc. The more things change, and all that...

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Emm that's because they're OOP and with Disnee in charge will likely stay that way, not because the format itself is as scarce as rocking horse poo. As long as there isn't like one replication plant serving the whole planet we'll be alright, if anything the current prices are just as much to do with all the added tat as the discs themselves, and that marketing model will only grow over the coming years as they seek to add value. We often refer to the Laserdisc era of pricing and, funnily enough, many of the more expensive sets of that age came with books, CDs, booklets etc. The more things change, and all that...

I think the highest market share Blu has achieved here in Blighty is 17/18% . I think most future future collectors will go the importing route, but there will always be the nutters that will probably pay say 80 quid for British release of Home Alone 2.

Also those Australian Disney releases. Splash, Turner and Hooch...oh boy.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Emm that's because they're OOP and with Disnee in charge will likely stay that way, not because the format itself is as scarce as rocking horse poo. As long as there isn't like one replication plant serving the whole planet we'll be alright, if anything the current prices are just as much to do with all the added tat as the discs themselves, and that marketing model will only grow over the coming years as they seek to add value. We often refer to the Laserdisc era of pricing and, funnily enough, many of the more expensive sets of that age came with books, CDs, booklets etc. The more things change, and all that...

To Foretell The Future . . . Look Back To The Past.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

To Foretell The Future . . . Look Back To The Past.

How much does a muse LD copy of Jumanji go for again?

[JohnAV]

The topic got tossed out into the cold

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

The topic got tossed out into the cold

My bad.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

My bad.

Actually Pioneer should be saying that. As their players are not around anymore.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

How much does a muse LD copy of Jumanji go for again?

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

The prices it goes for are.