The Anime Blu-ray Video Quality Thread - Page 107 - Blu-ray Forum

Sylontack · 07-29-2018, 10:24 PM

Will keep it in mind for future uploads, in the meantime I did do a check and sincerely believe these shots to be almost the same and serve the same purpose of "wow this looks f****** ugly".

professorwho · 08-01-2018, 09:33 PM

I just found out that JoJo Part 4 Diamond is Unbreakable's Japanese Blu-ray releases had 2.1 audio. That's right, stereo and subwoofer. Not sure what codec, though... The more interesting question is whether or not VIZ will replicate it in their release.

KAZE's French release has LPCM 2.0 instead, and while I'm not sure if the JP discs have a regular stereo mix as well, I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

Mangaranga · 08-01-2018, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by professorwho

I just found out that JoJo Part 4 Diamond is Unbreakable's Japanese Blu-ray releases had 2.1 audio. That's right, stereo and subwoofer. Not sure what codec, though... The more interesting question is whether or not VIZ will replicate it in their release.

KAZE's French release has LPCM 2.0 instead, and while I'm not sure if the JP discs have a regular stereo mix as well, I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

Bearing in mind that the only two other titles I'm aware of that have 2.1 audio - being Psycho-Pass Season 1 and Jojo's Stardust Crusaders - didn't have them outside Japan, I highly doubt it. Part 3 also gets obnoxiously loud sometimes, which I assume is a result of downmixing to stereo.

Stupid question I suppose, but does the Bluray format actually support 2.1 lossless audio? I seem to recall in Psycho-Pass's case at least that the audio was bog standard DTS. I also seem to have it in my head that the complete BD Box later on had Stereo PCM audio instead.

NLScavenger · 08-01-2018, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mangaranga

Stupid question I suppose, but does the Bluray format actually support 2.1 lossless audio? I seem to recall in Psycho-Pass's case at least that the audio was bog standard DTS. I also seem to have it in my head that the complete BD Box later on had Stereo PCM audio instead.

Yes. MS Gundam Thunderbolt December Sky/Bandit Flower have lossless DTS-HD MA 2.1 (Only on JP/IT BD).

professorwho · 08-01-2018, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mangaranga

Bearing in mind that the only two other titles I'm aware of that have 2.1 audio - being Psycho-Pass Season 1 and Jojo's Stardust Crusaders - didn't have them outside Japan, I highly doubt it. Part 3 also gets obnoxiously loud sometimes, which I assume is a result of downmixing to stereo.

Stupid question I suppose, but does the Bluray format actually support 2.1 lossless audio? I seem to recall in Psycho-Pass's case at least that the audio was bog standard DTS. I also seem to have it in my head that the complete BD Box later on had Stereo PCM audio instead.

Gundam Thunderbolt has DTS HD-MA 2.1

Robbl · 08-03-2018, 03:27 PM

Well, the German Made in Abyss release is disappointing. 200+ minutes for a BD50 was a bit too much after all.

Banding in almost all dark scenes. (I know pictures of the TV are not ideal but it's all I can offer)
https://imgur.com/a/r2InFQm

I tested it with a PS4 Pro and a random Samsung 3D Bluray Player on an LG OLED B7. It was more noticable with the PS4 but still apparent with the Samsung BD player.

Brighter scenes look fine but Made in Abyss has a lot of dark scenes (No pun intended).

Beru · 08-03-2018, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbl

Well, the German Made in Abyss release is disappointment. 200+ minutes for a BD50 was a bit much after all.

Banding in almost all dark scenes. (I know pictures of the TV are not ideal but it's all I can offer)
https://imgur.com/a/r2InFQm

I tested it with a PS4 Pro and a random Samsung 3D Bluray Player on an LG OLED B7. It was more noticable with the PS4 but still apparent with the Samsung BD player.

Looks almost as bad as Re:Zero...

Amazon.de says this release has 7 episodes... If Funi manages to get fine PQ with 9 episodes/disc, why couldn't Universum?

professorwho · 08-03-2018, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Beru

If Funi manages to get fine PQ with 9 episodes/disc, why couldn't Universum?

Nope. FUNi has acceptable PQ. I can't think of a 9 per disc release with good PQ. Even the better one have issues to some degree.

Beru · 08-03-2018, 05:30 PM

Yeah, guess I could've worded it better

Robbl · 08-03-2018, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Beru

Looks almost as bad as Re:Zero...

Amazon.de says this release has 7 episodes... If Funi manages to get fine PQ with 9 episodes/disc, why couldn't Universum?

There are also an additional 45 minutes of extra videos like interviews, NCOP and NCED on it. All in all 210+ minutes.

professorwho · 08-03-2018, 06:06 PM

That's about 9 episodes worth of content. If those interviews were put on a separate BD-25, perhaps that would solve the issue?

What does the bitrate average? Even if you don't rip the disc, the player should show the bitrate as it changes throughout the episode (except the PS4- Sony cheaped out there).

Robbl · 08-03-2018, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by professorwho

That's about 9 episodes worth of content. If those interviews were put on a separate BD-25, perhaps that would solve the issue?

What does the bitrate average? Even if you don't rip the disc, the player should show the bitrate as it changes throughout the episode (except the PS4- Sony cheaped out there).

Sorry, I already packed up the set to sent it back tomorrow. Beatrice BD Raws + Scum subs will have to do until we see how the Sentai/MVM release turns out.

SpaceDandy · 08-03-2018, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by professorwho

Nope. FUNi has acceptable PQ. I can't think of a 9 per disc release with good PQ. Even the better one have issues to some degree.

9 is theoretically the highest episode count actually. If the authorer know his job, it'll be perfectly fine.

professorwho · 08-03-2018, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SpaceDandy

9 is theoretically the highest episode count actually. If the authorer know his job, it'll be perfectly fine.

It is more taxing on the compressionist, though. But, FUNimation has monkeys running the encoding, so regardless of space, there are always some issues, minor to major. Though, it is never a good idea to have more than 9 Episodes at most, regardless of the compressionist’s ability.

Ccharmanderk · 08-03-2018, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbl

Well, the German Made in Abyss release is disappointing. 200+ minutes for a BD50 was a bit too much after all.

Banding in almost all dark scenes. (I know pictures of the TV are not ideal but it's all I can offer)
https://imgur.com/a/r2InFQm

I tested it with a PS4 Pro and a random Samsung 3D Bluray Player on an LG OLED B7. It was more noticable with the PS4 but still apparent with the Samsung BD player.

Brighter scenes look fine but Made in Abyss has a lot of dark scenes (No pun intended).

Youch, that's really rough. Not at all what I'd call ideal, though I'm assuming the fact it's camera pointed at a screen exacerbates the issue somewhat. Still, not a release I'd be confident in buying.

Guess we wait for Sentai's BD.

professorwho · 08-04-2018, 04:38 PM

One thing I’ve noticed is that in anime releases, the Bitrate isn’t that variable. Sure, it can go up or down depending on what’s on screen, but I only have one release with a wide range- JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure Set 1 by VIZ.

The average is 27.90 mbps, which is better than anything FUNimation does, but it doesn’t tell the full story. When watching it on my TV and looking at the Bitrate viewer, it has massive shifts. The low is generally around 9 or 10 with a high of 49 in a few instances. Generally it ranges in the high twenties to low thirties, but the OP (in this case, Bloody Stream) averages around 33 which is Japanese territory.

The set is very well encoded, despite the fact there is a brightness issue. When watching it, it is never noticeable. It looks clean and clear. If you cannot stand the fact it is ever so different, get the UK set, which has correct brightness, but lower bitrates. If you’re in the US like me, I wouldn’t go through the trouble of importing it, as it is hard to tell when watching on a TV and is only noticeable when looking at screencaps side to side.

Also, the subtitles have a very nice font. Better than what FUNimation uses. I’ll upload a photo later, but they look real nice. But, when viewed from a good distance, it may be a little small. I have a 49” display and sit probably 3 metres (9 or so feet) away, and it’s readable, but if my vision got worse, it would be an issue (I’m sure my parents would have trouble reading them).

professorwho · 08-04-2018, 05:11 PM

Here's a video I made showing off the variable bitrates and the subtitle font.

(Footage from Episode 17)

The bitrates don't mean a drop in terms of quality, though I just found it fascinating how variable it all is.

professorwho · 08-04-2018, 05:21 PM

Yes, I shot the video at 60fps. That is because I have my phone's camera set to that, and because it means a higher bitrate when viewed on YouTube as opposed to a lower frame rate.

Naiera · 08-04-2018, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by professorwho

Nope. FUNi has acceptable PQ. I can't think of a 9 per disc release with good PQ. Even the better one have issues to some degree.

Hyouka. The episode or two with mosquito noise, most noticable in people’s faces, were on the BD25’s

professorwho · 08-04-2018, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Naiera

Hyuoka. The episode or two with mosquito noise, most noticable in people’s faces, were on the BD25’s

Oh. Now that it's getting a full series set, I'll pick it up and probably do a write-up.

08-03-2018, 03:27 PM	#2126
Robbl Active Member Member since:Jan 2018	Well, the German Made in Abyss release is disappointing. 200+ minutes for a BD50 was a bit too much after all. Banding in almost all dark scenes. (I know pictures of the TV are not ideal but it's all I can offer) https://imgur.com/a/r2InFQm I tested it with a PS4 Pro and a random Samsung 3D Bluray Player on an LG OLED B7. It was more noticable with the PS4 but still apparent with the Samsung BD player. Brighter scenes look fine but Made in Abyss has a lot of dark scenes (No pun intended). Last edited by Robbl; 08-03-2018 at 06:05 PM.

07-29-2018, 10:24 PM	#2121
Sylontack Special Member Top contributor Member since:Aug 2013 Location:Sydney, Australia Blu-ray collection:3 Blu-ray reviews:4	Will keep it in mind for future uploads, in the meantime I did do a check and sincerely believe these shots to be almost the same and serve the same purpose of "wow this looks f****** ugly".

08-01-2018, 09:33 PM	#2122
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	I just found out that JoJo Part 4 Diamond is Unbreakable's Japanese Blu-ray releases had 2.1 audio. That's right, stereo and subwoofer. Not sure what codec, though... The more interesting question is whether or not VIZ will replicate it in their release. KAZE's French release has LPCM 2.0 instead, and while I'm not sure if the JP discs have a regular stereo mix as well, I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

08-03-2018, 05:30 PM	#2129
Beru Junior Member Member since:May 2018 Location:Poland Blu-ray collection:9	Yeah, guess I could've worded it better

08-03-2018, 06:06 PM	#2131
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	That's about 9 episodes worth of content. If those interviews were put on a separate BD-25, perhaps that would solve the issue? What does the bitrate average? Even if you don't rip the disc, the player should show the bitrate as it changes throughout the episode (except the PS4- Sony cheaped out there).

08-04-2018, 04:38 PM	#2136
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	One thing I’ve noticed is that in anime releases, the Bitrate isn’t that variable. Sure, it can go up or down depending on what’s on screen, but I only have one release with a wide range- JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure Set 1 by VIZ. The average is 27.90 mbps, which is better than anything FUNimation does, but it doesn’t tell the full story. When watching it on my TV and looking at the Bitrate viewer, it has massive shifts. The low is generally around 9 or 10 with a high of 49 in a few instances. Generally it ranges in the high twenties to low thirties, but the OP (in this case, Bloody Stream) averages around 33 which is Japanese territory. The set is very well encoded, despite the fact there is a brightness issue. When watching it, it is never noticeable. It looks clean and clear. If you cannot stand the fact it is ever so different, get the UK set, which has correct brightness, but lower bitrates. If you’re in the US like me, I wouldn’t go through the trouble of importing it, as it is hard to tell when watching on a TV and is only noticeable when looking at screencaps side to side. Also, the subtitles have a very nice font. Better than what FUNimation uses. I’ll upload a photo later, but they look real nice. But, when viewed from a good distance, it may be a little small. I have a 49” display and sit probably 3 metres (9 or so feet) away, and it’s readable, but if my vision got worse, it would be an issue (I’m sure my parents would have trouble reading them).

08-04-2018, 05:21 PM	#2138
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	Yes, I shot the video at 60fps. That is because I have my phone's camera set to that, and because it means a higher bitrate when viewed on YouTube as opposed to a lower frame rate.

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