Panasonic UB820/UB9000 4K UHD Blu-ray player

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Thanks and I understand and apreciate yoru position. All I am doing in my post above and this one is to bring to the attention of all UB820 and UB9000 owners the best way to operate these advanced technology BD players.

The answer I provided is helpful to all UB820 and UB9000 owners and that's what user forums are all about, solutions to delievr the best possible performance from our love for premium a/v experences.

Two things to consider:

1. It seems to be an issue for Dolby to work out. Clipping highlights when playing Dolby Vision HDR is a common problem with BD players.

2. Sorry to repea, but why would anyone want to use Dolby Vision HDR when the Panasonic's superior HDR Optomizer would deliver a better picture.

Try answering item #2 above without bring into the reply with DV should work if it's also included in the BD player.

Panasonic and Sony both know about the Dolby Vision HDR clipping and they are working with Dolby for a fix.

If they are indeed working to get this fixed in concert with Dolby, that's all I ask. A solution tied to a firmware update would be the ultimate outcome.


Once that's established, I will definitely consider this player as my Oppo 203 backup.

[LordoftheRings]

Robert, how many years in your opinion till Panasonic and Sony and Dolby find a solution/fix for Dolby Vision?

[Robert Zohn]

Sorry I don't know when to expect a fix, but hope it's much sooner than one year.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

2. Sorry to repea, but why would anyone want to use Dolby Vision HDR when the Panasonic's superior HDR Optomizer would deliver a better picture.

Try answering item #2 above without bring into the reply with DV should work if it's also included in the BD player.

Panasonic and Sony both know about the Dolby Vision HDR clipping and they are working with Dolby for a fix.

All things considered once Panasonic/Sony fixes their respective issues with DV, if the HDR Optimiser can only be applied to HDR10 & HLG content, and not to HDR10+ & Dolby Vision discs which already benefit from dynamic metadata. What makes HDR10 with some additional tone mapping better then frame by frame or scene by scene dynamic metadata furnished by the studio? Only if you using 4K projectors that can’t work with dynamic metadata that’s all.

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Then somebody must get both Dolby and Panasonic in a room and hash out why their implementation of Dolby Vision is clipping and then correct the issue.

Not just Dolby and Pana. They should invite Pioneer and Sony too.

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

All things considered once Panasonic/Sony fixes their respective issues with DV, if the HDR Optimiser can only be applied to HDR10 & HLG content, and not to HDR10+ & Dolby Vision discs which already benefit from dynamic metadata. What makes HDR10 with some additional tone mapping better then frame by frame or scene by scene dynamic metadata furnished by the studio? Only if you using 4K projectors that can’t work with dynamic metadata that’s all.

Suprised we need to discuss this again.

Panasonic's exclusive HDR Optomiser has selections in the user menu to choose the display type that matches your displays peak luminance ability. Once selected the HDR Optomiser tone maps the HDR content perfectly following the EOTG PQ curve to perserve all of the HDR dynamic tonal range and 100% of the color volume,

Only with this Panasonic piority feature can you see the full dynamic tonal range and full color volume. HDR10 and Dolby Vision HDR are graded in post production far ebyond what your TV or porjector can manage. Panasonic's HDR Optomiser is most helpful with any projector or OLED TV, but helps with all HDR content to deliver a superior image on every TV.

Every professional reviewer and users heavly praise the benifits of seeing the full dynamic tonal range and 100% of the color volume that is not possible with Dolby Vision HDR or any HDR content.

In our JVC NX9 paired with Panasonic's UB9000 demo event that Kris Deering calibrated and demo'd for us wow'd the media and attendies. Many walked out of the demo saying they have never seen a HDR cinema preestation that delivered HDR images resembeling what they see on an OLED TV.

[Mobe1969]

Originally Posted by curlyjive

Keep in mind I'm referencing sdr bt2020 not hdr. Kris had posted that the default position on the dynamic range control was 350 nits and all the way up to +12 was 100 nits.

I'm not sure what SDR2020 outputs as the metadata information page doesn't show anytime mapping. So if it is 4k in, it shows 4k out. But it doesn't seem to clip even checking scenes like the sandstorm in Mad Max they show in the test videos. I ended up putting mine to hdr2020, 350 for my projector. It is just easier to deal with, and you can see the output mapping.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

In our JVC NX9 paired with Panasonic's UB9000 demo event that Kris Deering calibrated and demo'd for us wow'd the media and attendies. Many walked out of the demo saying they have never seen a HDR cinema preestation that delivered HDR images resembeling what they see on an OLED TV.

Quoting the exact comments from presentation:

Subjectively it looks very similar to what your used to looking at on a panel that's the whole point it isn't to try to emulate the flat panel because you are never going to get that bright but you have a much bigger screen size and a lower brightness on a big screen looks brighter then the same brightness on the small screen product so you really get that quality when you look at it here they did a great job.

So you are approaching some flat panel aspects but this projector environment is not anywhere as bright to work with. While this HDR10 optimization differently helps, the comparison of 4K projector performance vs large 4k now 8K flat panels is still capable of much better HDR based performance especially with dynamic meta data.

How about having a shoot out of your best 4K HDR projectors out there versus your best flat 4K/8K HDR flat panels? Think they even stand a chance?

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Suprised we need to discuss this again.

Panasonic's exclusive HDR Optomiser has selections in the user menu to choose the display type that matches your displays peak luminance ability. Once selected the HDR Optomiser tone maps the HDR content perfectly following the EOTG PQ curve to perserve all of the HDR dynamic tonal range and 100% of the color volume,

Only with this Panasonic piority feature can you see the full dynamic tonal range and full color volume. HDR10 and Dolby Vision HDR are graded in post production far ebyond what your TV or porjector can manage. Panasonic's HDR Optomiser is most helpful with any projector or OLED TV, but helps with all HDR content to deliver a superior image on every TV.

Every professional reviewer and users heavly praise the benifits of seeing the full dynamic tonal range and 100% of the color volume that is not possible with Dolby Vision HDR or any HDR content.

In our JVC NX9 paired with Panasonic's UB9000 demo event that Kris Deering calibrated and demo'd for us wow'd the media and attendies. Many walked out of the demo saying they have never seen a HDR cinema preestation that delivered HDR images resembeling what they see on an OLED TV.

It never ceases to amaze me that people who are the most vocal about the “no need for HDR Optimizer” usually the people who never tried/experience it.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Quoting the exact comments from presentation:



So you are approaching some flat panel aspects but this projector environment is not anywhere as bright to work with. While this HDR10 optimization differently helps, the comparison of 4K projector performance vs large 4k now 8K flat panels is still capable of much better HDR based performance especially with dynamic meta data.

How about having a shoot out of your best 4K HDR projectors out there versus your best flat 4K/8K HDR flat panels? Think they even stand a chance?

Specs/numbers aside, if you saw a well set-up newer JVC in the proper room I think you would be very surprised at how good the image can look. Some us actually have seen or even own both.

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Quoting the exact comments from presentation:

"Quote from Kris Deering at my JVC NX9/Panasonic UB9000 demo event:
Subjectively it looks very similar to what your used to looking at on a panel that's the whole point it isn't to try to emulate the flat panel because you are never going to get that bright but you have a much bigger screen size and a lower brightness on a big screen looks brighter then the same brightness on the small screen product so you really get that quality when you look at it here they did a great job."

So you are approaching some flat panel aspects but this projector environment is not anywhere as bright to work with. While this HDR10 optimization differently helps, the comparison of 4K projector performance vs large 4k now 8K flat panels is still capable of much better HDR based performance especially with dynamic meta data.

How about having a shoot out of your best 4K HDR projectors out there versus your best flat 4K/8K HDR flat panels? Think they even stand a chance?

Correct that is an exact quote from Kris Deering. Now consider this.

1st, yes the NX9 did not deliver OLED peak luminance, but who would want 800 Nits on a 133" screen! In fact, when Kris calibrated our NX9/UB9000 system he set the HDR brightness at 40 FL and we all thought the specular highlights were way to bright for the light contrled theaer and size of the screen so we closed the lens apature to reduce the specular highlights.

2nd, that's for quoting Kris as it validates my statement!

3rd, It also proves the value of Panasonic UB9000 HDR Optomizer over all other BD players.

I'd like to loan you a UB9000 to test in your home, because you can't come here any make inaccurate statements without seeing the performance of this player with your own eyes.

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

No disagreement. Its was to the matter that Robert likes to tell us things can be no better then they are that I jab back at him.

Don't confuse my enthusium for the advancements in video performance as saying things are better than they are. I have a well trained eye/brain for video performance and the science of video.

[sapiendut]

John, we all know you are a Sony guy, there is no need to hide it

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by navirat

Now for the first time, users can adjust the tone mapping to your specific displays luminance capacity for the ultimate control of the entire tonal range for all HDR formats and content. This includes streaming content through the built-in Smart apps for those with projectors, monitors or anyone who wants to have control of the luminance tone mapping and "Hollywood Cinema Experience", HCX video processing. Panasonic created and mastered HCX video processing over the years with Panasonic's Hollywood Laboratory.

If you're implying the Tone Map luminance feature works with DoVi or HDR10+, it does not.
The luminance slider, et al is locked out if DoVi or HDR10+ is engaged in the player. Only HDR10 presentations can be tone mapped.

[sapiendut]

Gkolb, you are replying to a bot.

[spudeus]

My 820 just finished a rather massive update - I know DV is not in the mix, but what else is going on under the hood?

[gates70]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Specs/numbers aside, if you saw a well set-up newer JVC in the proper room I think you would be very surprised at how good the image can look. Some us actually have seen or even own both.

Most people that talk about how bad projectors are on this site are talking out of their ass and know nothing about that specific technology. It makes me laugh. Most have never actually even seen a good projector in action.

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Correct that is an exact quote from Kris Deering. Now consider this.

1st, yes the NX9 did not deliver OLED peak luminance, but who would want 800 Nits on a 133" screen! In fact, when Kris calibrated our NX9/UB9000 system he set the HDR brightness at 40 FL and we all thought the specular highlights were way to bright for the light contrled theaer and size of the screen so we closed the lens apature to reduce the specular highlights
.

This is exactly what people don't get when it comes to projectors. Well said. They just regurgitate what someone else has said about cheap projectors.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by spudeus

My 820 just finished a rather massive update - I know DV is not in the mix, but what else is going on under the hood?

1.6 7/25

• Playability of Blu-ray Disc™
• Stability of system

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Gkolb, you are replying to a bot.

Hmmm, I hope it’s been reported.

[MEB]

Robert,

A fellow on AVS says he feels that his UB9000 stays paused "much longer" after the 1.60 firmware update. Yet, he can't find any settings that have changed.

Do you know if Panasonic just lengthened the pause time (before shutdown) or eliminated the automatic shutdown entirely?

It would be helpful to know the specifics of the change. I'm installing 1.60 on my UB9000 now.

Edit: After 1.60 was installed I put in a standard Blu-ray (Trading Places), queued it up and put it on pause. I waited 22 minutes and went to check the player. Bummer, the player had activated the "off timer".

Now, that's a little bit different than a complete shutdown. When I pressed the play button on the remote, the player woke up and, after displaying "Off timer activated" on the screen (twice), the movie restarted exactly where I had paused it. It got back to playing the movie pretty quickly. And that's WAY better than a complete shutdown that forces the disc to reload from the beginning.

However, that's STILL not what I was hoping for. I just want the darn thing to STAY in pause mode for at least 1 hour. No off timer, no shutdown. Just hold pause for 1 hour.

Maybe NOTHING has changed? Maybe this particular disc would have done the same thing before the 1.60 firmware?

Panasonic, you're ticking me off! Grrrr.

Mark