Archived: Ask the Insiders: Judgment Day Edition

[Jeff®]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well if anyone else can't view it, ask one of the mods to do their magic.

Later.

[Braktastic]

Originally Posted by OokieSpookie

A firm resolve does not know how to weaken , well said.

But who's resolve are we talking about Paramount/Universal's or the BDA's?

[mystiksuicide]

OK I haven't been home all day but after reading what Penton had to say about KG it seems he is telling us to lay off the guy after all he has been paid to lie through his teeth.

Soon though he will use that energy to promote the only true high def format Blu-Ray!

[Brain Sturgeon]

Originally Posted by TheRealBob

Oh, that's right, I forgot about HD DVD supporters in my last rant!

Well, I agree, we shouldn't just accept any HD DVD supporters into the Blu-ray camp! No way! We should only accept ones that not only admit that Blu won but will also state clearly that it is their firm belief that at no point did HD DVD even have the slightest chances of winning!

I mean, seriously, who do these people think they are? It just makes me sick that they pour a lot of time and money into HD DVD, then when their format loses they don't have the class to just shut their mouths and go Blu silently. No, instead they have the gall to go Blu but continue to yammer on about how HD DVD had a shot at some point if only a few things had turned out differently. How dare they!

Only Tru Blu people should be allowed to buy into Blu-ray.

Assuming that I'm not missing the sarcasm in your post, have you followed Vaughn's posting history? If you have, then you should also see that the guy has trumpeted that he is neutral and "just loves HD movies" in the past, and yet most of his posts contained an anti-BD slant. e.g. The BD replication yield doomsday scenario, the current "BD was this close to losing" scenario just to name two. Totally transparent, two faced SOB.

For those of us that have followed this "war", I think that the reasoned ones among us have seen that BD was likely going to win because of technical merits, the broad industry support, and the presence of the PS3 (take that with a grain of salt, as I, myself, am biased to BD). Any true moviephile, which I presume Vaughn purports to be, wants his/her movies in the best presentation possible. This, to me, includes both PQ & AQ. PQ can be argued as a draw between BD and HD DVD, but AQ cannot be argued-- BD is worlds better. I put this question directly to Vaughn in the past: The best HD DVD transfers can be ported to BD, but the reverse is not possible. If this is so, and only one format can survive, how can you not pick BD? I didn't get a straight answer from him. He just talked about how Hot Fuzz was reference grade material just as POTC was, yet Hot Fuzz has a DD+ soundtrack. Would it have sounded better with a lossless soundtrack? ABSO-FREAKIN-LUTELY. Just as Transformers would and probably will.

But he doesn't want to talk about the benefits of BD, not even when the war is now approaching an end. He just wants to hash over how things "coulda been" if Sony had not been as aggressive in pursuing WB, yet claiming he is "supporting" BD now that the winner is clear. I find his claims hard to believe anyway given PM's answer to the Fox issue and the fact that the BDA is made up of just a little more than Sony alone.

Picking and supporting a format in this "war" based on research and reason is fine-- whether you picked one format or another. Propagating fallacies about one format while claiming to be "neutral" is just two-faced, FUD meistering. Yammer on about how HD DVD is better and lament its loss as you like, but don't spread sour grapes BS about the format that won. That's my particular issue with Vaughn here.

I'm not expecting HD DVD owners to be happy that their format of choice is headed for extinction. They made an (hopefully) educated decision that turned out to be wrong. They can choose or not choose to go BD-- this community takes all comers, and you don't necessarily have to be in this community to buy BD anyway-- but don't whine about how we were "oh so close"-- nobody appreciates a sore loser. Just accept it and move on.

[Teazle]

Originally Posted by Brain Sturgeon

Propagating fallacies about one format while claiming to be "neutral" is just two-faced, FUD meistering.

This was my main beef about the guy. The quality of the argument spanned the gamut from poor to very poor.

[Razzy]

Originally Posted by DesFlurane

A firm resolve does not know how to weaken

Nice one ;-)

Originally Posted by OokieSpookie

A firm resolve does not know how to weaken , well said.

Google is awesome, isn't it?

[true2_blu]

Patience my Blu brothers and sisters. Slowly but surely EVERYTHING will be Blu in 2008.

[monkyman]

Originally Posted by mystiksuicide

OK I haven't been home all day but after reading what Penton had to say about KG it seems he is telling us to lay off the guy after all he has been paid to lie through his teeth.

Soon though he will use that energy to promote the only true high def format Blu-Ray!

Accepting money to lie does not make him a better person. A moral person would not accept this job or be able to sleep at night. If Ken G comes here, I will not bash him or speak badly of him. NOR will I speak kindly of him, rather I would ignore him and his posts.

[Bullseye]

I don't think PM is indicating that KG was lying through his teeth. I believe that KG actually believed what he was saying in regards to HD-DVD being a more complete format from release, that a games console would not determine the faith of HDM (stand alone player would). If your head of HD-DVD your not going to point out the negatives of your own format or the positives of your rival. The more i have read back on KGs statements the more I am inclined to give the guy a break as he was only talking up his own format.

People seem to forget the backlash Stringer got when he sounded negative about the outcome with his "stalemate" statement. We were all looking for someone to be more positive about the format. HD-DVD had that person KG. If he is as vocal about BD when UNI come over I for one will be very pleased.

[HDJK]

Originally Posted by Bullseye

I don't think PM is indicating that KG was lying through his teeth. I believe that KG actually believed what he was saying in regards to HD-DVD being a more complete format from release, that a games console would not determine the faith of HDM (stand alone player would). If your head of HD-DVD your not going to point out the negatives of your own format or the positives of your rival. The more i have read back on KGs statements the more I am inclined to give the guy a break as he was only talking up his own format.

People seem to forget the backlash Stringer got when he sounded negative about the outcome with his "stalemate" statement. We were all looking for someone to be more positive about the format. HD-DVD had that person KG. If he is as vocal about BD when UNI come over I for one will be very pleased.

Well said.

[eat_me_cool]

Originally Posted by monkyman

Accepting money to lie does not make him a better person. A moral person would not accept this job or be able to sleep at night. If Ken G comes here, I will not bash him or speak badly of him. NOR will I speak kindly of him, rather I would ignore him and his posts.

Please can everybody stop making this a personal thing. The format war was business and in business, you sell your product. An employee's primary purpose is to server the shareholders interests even if that requires a certain amount of flexible language.

Remember, both HD-DVD and Blu-ray are fit for purpose to a varying degree.

[mikey p]

Originally Posted by eat_me_cool

Please can everybody stop making this a personal thing. The format war was business and in business, you sell your product. An employee's primary purpose is to server the shareholders interests even if that requires a certain amount of flexible language.

The ONLY person to whom this advice wound NOT apply to is amir.

[Seretur]

Of course I harbor no personal grudges against Mr. Graffeo and Universal, as I wasn't the one who they managed to dupe into buying HD DVD. But it's not like I'm grateful to them for their efforts to prolong and inflame the format war, either. Still, now that they're coming into the BD fold, their contributions will be more than welcome.

I won't even insist on having BD-optimized encodes on their initial releases, as long as they're done to the top-notch HD DVD level, with lossless audio. Kind of like the better WB releases. Of course, the subpar catalog titles have to be remastered, for the mutual benefit.

Come on, Universal, partner up with Bob Harris and give us a proper Spartacus on Blu-ray!

[edgebsl]

Originally Posted by monkyman

Accepting money to lie does not make him a better person. A moral person would not accept this job or be able to sleep at night. If Ken G comes here, I will not bash him or speak badly of him. NOR will I speak kindly of him, rather I would ignore him and his posts.

Ken Graffeo works for Universal, he had no choice but to defend the stance of his company. We know little about him except for what we read from his press releases/interviews.

More than likely he even had to have someone write up some of that stuff since it was official company statements or he had to have them approved.
I'm working for a Dental Insurance company right now, I hate some of the things ins compaines do, but I gotta make rent!

I say, war over, if he comes here, welcome him with open arms!
You might find after you get him talking about blu ray and HT that he's just a normal guy like us. And Uni has some great titles that havent even been released yet at all! We want him excited about blu and we want specific encodes so that those movies will be reference material.

I respect those that feel differently but stop and think, if you cant let go of what's happened in the past maybe the format war is more important to you than the movies...that is seriously messed up!

[blitz6speed]

Core things to remember:

We are supposed to bd nice to Mr Grafeo.

NDA signed regarding Universal Pictures.

Exclusive Contract from universal has ended and wasnt renewed.

It is literally just a matter of time till we see the announcement.

[mystiksuicide]

Originally Posted by monkyman

Accepting money to lie does not make him a better person. A moral person would not accept this job or be able to sleep at night. If Ken G comes here, I will not bash him or speak badly of him. NOR will I speak kindly of him, rather I would ignore him and his posts.

Then there are a lot of attorneys that can't sleep at night cause they all lie, and they're lies are worse they let murder and rapist free

[Neo65]

Originally Posted by Seretur

Of course I harbor no personal grudges against Mr. Graffeo and Universal, as I wasn't the one who they managed to dupe into buying HD DVD. But it's not like I'm grateful to them for their efforts to prolong and inflame the format war, either. Still, now that they're coming into the BD fold, their contributions will be more than welcome.

I won't even insist on having BD-optimized encodes on their initial releases, as long as they're done to the top-notch HD DVD level, with lossless audio. Kind of like the better WB releases. Of course, the subpar catalog titles have to be remastered, for the mutual benefit.

Come on, Universal, partner up with Bob Harris and give us a proper Spartacus on Blu-ray!

All we are saying, is give peace a chance. --- Lennon '72

[elwaylite]

Originally Posted by monkyman

Accepting money to lie does not make him a better person. A moral person would not accept this job or be able to sleep at night. If Ken G comes here, I will not bash him or speak badly of him. NOR will I speak kindly of him, rather I would ignore him and his posts.

Its not like he pocketed money. Sometimes you have to do whats best for you and your family, screw everyone else.

[m_tyson]

That's not fair to say. I know at least 4 attorneys that don't lie.

Originally Posted by mystiksuicide

Then there are a lot of attorneys that can't sleep at night cause they all lie, and they're lies are worse they let murder and rapist free

[Raikun]

Originally Posted by m_tyson

That's not fair to say. I know at least 4 attorneys that don't lie.

Well she didn't say "All attorneys lie"...just "Alot do"...which is true.

So that was fair of her to say. =)