Archived: Ask the Insiders: Judgment Day Edition

[goenkar]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

No, all it means is that he's getting while the getting's good, not wanting to go down with the red ship and lose everything, especially his screener privileges. He's hoping that by pulling the old "I was always on the side of reason, and I'm recognizing who my daddy is" (aka the winner) that bygones will be bygones (don't think so)

Don't forget that Vaughn has his own little harem of hangers-on that he maintains and feeds tidbits to that he also doesn't want to lose. He's a FUDmeister, his only sources are red, and that's not likely to change any time soon.

He's a pariah for a reason, the months of wading through crap his FUD caused, let him eat his just desserts.

I'd appriciate if you just keep him, and discussion of him, out of the Insider's thread, and in the new ones too. He's not an insider, no one feeds him anything without an agenda, and therefore should be safely ignored. I'll tell you flat out- I'm sure my sources are way better than Mr. Vaughn's. The difference is that I don't betray their confidence feeding random people behind their backs, or in his case, they know he does it, so they use him to feed what they don't dare say publically due to the potential personal and legal consequences, and he spreads their manure without question so he can feel special.

I couldn't agree more.

By my recollection, his constant insistence about BD replication issues, even after BD insiders stated otherwise, led to a feeding frenzy on the HD-DVD side that resulted in the BLU insiders leaving AVS in disgust.

He should have had the good sense to know when to backoff. Instead he got intoxicated by all his new found HDDVD friends and decided he would make a name for himself. He has succeeded at that.

I am not sure why there is talk here about letting him back. Has he asked to be let back in ? Let him contact the MODS and let them decide.

[Texitura]

Originally Posted by Brain Sturgeon

How's about No with a big mug of STFU for Mr. Vaughn.

Reasoned arguments on facts between ladies and gentlemen on either side of this war are fine-- I respect and would be willing to bury the hatchet with anybody on the other side of the aisle who followed this code.

Repeatedly propagating BD FUD while claiming to be "neutral", and tossing insults at one of our most knowledgable, as well as entertaining, insiders-- I have a big freakin' problem with. The guy can do what he wants with BD-- he will not have my welcome or respect. I put him in the same boat as Amir as far as this "war" is concerned. They can both bloody bugger off.

Agreed!

[What'sHD]

I don't see why DV should be made an insider since he appa. regurgitates talking-points fed him. As one mod already stated, his own sources are better than DV's and our other insiders are without compare.

DV can sign up as a member and individuals can then welcome/ignore him, but I hope no one is thinking of giving him insider status. For what inside info exactly?

He is a movie reviewer but the man clearly spent more time harping on about replication rather than PQ and AQ of the two formats. I do not see how he has contributed anything to our appreciation of HDM other than by leaking nielsens 2 days early.

2c

[Fozziwig]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Not so far as I can see.

You ca trust Bill Hunt when he says we probably won't hear anything until the end of the month regarding both Paramount and Universal.

Not a lot to report other than that...

Thanks for the update Max.

Are you aware of any formal statement made by the HD DVD promo group on recent events (unless the remarks by Ken Graffeo was the HD DVD statement)? They did promise one recently but I haven't seen it.

[mh466]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

No, all it means is that he's getting while the getting's good, not wanting to go down with the red ship and lose everything, especially his screener privileges. He's hoping that by pulling the old "I was always on the side of reason, and I'm recognizing who my daddy is" (aka the winner) that bygones will be bygones (don't think so)

Don't forget that Vaughn has his own little harem of hangers-on that he maintains and feeds tidbits to that he also doesn't want to lose. He's a FUDmeister, his only sources are red, and that's not likely to change any time soon.

He's a pariah for a reason, the months of wading through crap his FUD caused, let him eat his just desserts.

I'd appriciate if you just keep him, and discussion of him, out of the Insider's thread, and in the new ones too. He's not an insider, no one feeds him anything without an agenda, and therefore should be safely ignored. I'll tell you flat out- I'm sure my sources are way better than Mr. Vaughn's. The difference is that I don't betray their confidence feeding random people behind their backs, or in his case, they know he does it, so they use him to feed what they don't dare say publically due to the potential personal and legal consequences, and he spreads their manure without question so he can feel special.

I agree 100%. DV can't erase his previous behaviour simply because he proclaimed that he's finally seen the (blu) light. Especially since he continued to propagate the "Fox almost went HD DVD" nonsense even after making positive statements re: blu-ray. The guy is NOT an insider, period.

[Fozziwig]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

I didn't know they had anything planned, do you have any idea who said that they did?

I'll make some enquiries on Tuesday when I get some time to do it...

It came from here:

The HD DVD Promotions Group is also said to be planning its own statement regarding the rumors of a Universal switch to format neutrality.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...D_Support/1362

[Razzy]

Originally Posted by mh466

I agree 100%. DV can't erase his previous behaviour simply because he proclaimed that he's finally seen the (blu) light. Especially since he continued to propagate the "Fox almost went HD DVD" nonsense even after making positive statements re: blu-ray. The guy is NOT an insider, period.

Didn't Paramount almost go Blu-ray until Toshiba & a certain 800lb gorilla caught wind of it?

Speaking of Paramount, any Star Trek fans in the house?

"History is replete with turning points, Lieutenant. You must have faith."

[ezcobar411]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Hmm...

I think HDD have been spending too much time reading their forums. I don't see anything official coming from the HD DVD PRG, but I will double check on Tuesday when I get some free time because I could very well be mistaken.

Thanks for the info Max

[johnnyd1]

Originally Posted by Nighthawk

I will admit that I did set up Dave Vaughn over at HDD by first posting a quote that Penton made at this forum.





So, maybe we should consider allowing Dave back in - as long as he truly regrets having been "as red as a tomato" and Penton-Man agrees.

No , keep the RED ANT out. Now that the S/S DUD is sinking, I have noticed other RED ANTS from nearby forums saying BS like, "Oh I am not going to discuss the format war anymore, I am tired. I just want to talk tech talk."

LOL . What damn phonies

[Fozziwig]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Hmm...

I think HDD have been spending too much time reading their forums. I don't see anything official coming from the HD DVD PRG, but I will double check on Tuesday when I get some free time because I could very well be mistaken.

Maybe my (and HDD's) confusion came from here:

http://www.betanews.com/article/HD_D...ors/1199974983

2:00 pm ET January 10, 2008 -- The HD DVD Promotional Group is expected to release a statement this afternoon refuting claims that Universal is jumping ship to Blu-ray.
While it's not clear what the statement will say, HD DVD indicated at CES that it still had full support from Paramount and Universal -- the last two major Hollywood studios to be backing the format exclusively.

Note the time. A few hours later this is reported:

5:00 pm ET January 10, 2008 -- Universal Studios has officially dispelled the rumors from Variety that it will drop HD DVD and switch to Blu-ray.
"Contrary to unsubstantiated rumors from unnamed sources, Universal's current plan is to continue to support the HD DVD format," said Ken Graffeo, executive vice president of HD strategic marketing for Universal Studios Home Entertainment and also co-president of the HD DVD Promotional Group.
The response would have come sooner, but many HD DVD executives were on flights home from CES when the story from Variety broke.

So, given Graffeo's position at the HD DVD promo group, that probably was the statement - although no mention of Paramount. Whatever, this statement does not, in fact, dispel any rumours atall!

[monkyman]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

No, all it means is that he's getting while the getting's good, not wanting to go down with the red ship and lose everything, especially his screener privileges. He's hoping that by pulling the old "I was always on the side of reason, and I'm recognizing who my daddy is" (aka the winner) that bygones will be bygones (don't think so)

Don't forget that Vaughn has his own little harem of hangers-on that he maintains and feeds tidbits to that he also doesn't want to lose. He's a FUDmeister, his only sources are red, and that's not likely to change any time soon.

He's a pariah for a reason, the months of wading through crap his FUD caused, let him eat his just desserts.

I'd appriciate if you just keep him, and discussion of him, out of the Insider's thread, and in the new ones too. He's not an insider, no one feeds him anything without an agenda, and therefore should be safely ignored. I'll tell you flat out- I'm sure my sources are way better than Mr. Vaughn's. The difference is that I don't betray their confidence feeding random people behind their backs, or in his case, they know he does it, so they use him to feed what they don't dare say publically due to the potential personal and legal consequences, and he spreads their manure without question so he can feel special.

To err is human; to forgive, divine, but to forgive and forget is the best way to get burned twice. I say no.

[NutsAboutPS3]

A question for any insider who knows the answer:

I'm curious about how QC works for disc replication. We're told yields are around 80% for BD-50s, but anecdotal evidence suggests faulty discs reaching retail are few and far between. My scientific mind would like to know how exactly the testing of each disc is done to so accurately reject 20% of manufactured discs. I can see that each disc could be read in a drive to compare the data against reference data, but I would expect that to take too long to be done with every disc.

[elwaylite]

Basically, we're in a holding pattern until late Jan.

[PaulGo]

I think the HD DVD PRG now is about as functional as a dog going around in circles trying to catch its tail. Then again my apologies to the dog since it at least has an objective.

[shug7272]

Originally Posted by richard lichtenfelt

Mr. Vaughn said on avs that blu-ray has for all intents and purposes won. It doesn't seem to me like he is some irrational hd dvd supporter.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=3987
"If we as enthusiasts want to have HDM into the future on a physical format, then Blu-ray is the only option."
If the man wants to come back I don't see why we shouldn't give him another chance.
Penton said to forgive Graffeo and his points were always the same as Vaughns'.
They both touted replication, attach rates, and unfinished platform hubabaloo.
It is quite obvious that Mr. Vaughn wants hdm to survive and flourish, that's more than I know about the other guy.

With all due respect and love, the insiders do not run this forum. I as well as every other member LOVE to have them, but that does not mean they make decisions for everyone or speak for everyone. THE reason I respect our insiders is the way the conduct themselves, you bring in the trash from the rest of the net and things will go to pot. We already know how Ken G and David V operate. Of course it doesnt matter what I think, up to the staff of the forum I suppose.

Edit:I missed Wick earlier post, I apologize. I should not have posted this here.

[Tulsa]

I wasn't here when DV was and from some of the links people have put up, I'm very glad of that. What perplexes me at this point is Wicky laid it out for everyone about as plain as you can put it. The guy is not welcome back, at least in this lifetime. Why is this still a point of discussion?

We've got a great bunch of "real" insiders here with Max, Penton, Talk and the rest. Not only do they provide some great info current and background and generally speaking do so with a unique delivery. I enjoy reading their stuff anyway. The ship is sailing on smooth waters, there's no reason to rock the boat by bringing the riff-raff aboard.

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

No, all it means is that he's getting while the getting's good, not wanting to go down with the red ship and lose everything, especially his screener privileges. He's hoping that by pulling the old "I was always on the side of reason, and I'm recognizing who my daddy is" (aka the winner) that bygones will be bygones (don't think so)

Don't forget that Vaughn has his own little harem of hangers-on that he maintains and feeds tidbits to that he also doesn't want to lose. He's a FUDmeister, his only sources are red, and that's not likely to change any time soon.

He's a pariah for a reason, the months of wading through crap his FUD caused, let him eat his just desserts.

I'd appriciate if you just keep him, and discussion of him, out of the Insider's thread, and in the new ones too. He's not an insider, no one feeds him anything without an agenda, and therefore should be safely ignored. I'll tell you flat out- I'm sure my sources are way better than Mr. Vaughn's. The difference is that I don't betray their confidence feeding random people behind their backs, or in his case, they know he does it, so they use him to feed what they don't dare say publically due to the potential personal and legal consequences, and he spreads their manure without question so he can feel special.

[blix01]

Originally Posted by shug7272

With all due respect and love, the insiders do not run this forum. I as well as every other member LOVE to have them, but that does not mean they make decisions for everyone or speak for everyone.

I'd have to agree with this.
Our insiders are awesome, but in some ways this website has turned into some kind of personality cult. Conflicts between insiders shouldn't be a reason to keep someone from participating here.

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by Razzy

I believe it's just that simple too and I can't understand why anyone would want him back, especially after he caused this:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=1254

I don't want a repeat of that event. Real insiders belong here and the quasi insiders can stay at AVS.

I totally aggree. Until Penton-man asks to bring him here then forget it. Also, all the talk by DV about Fox seems like he still has an agenda to me.

[Brain Sturgeon]

Wicky-- You da man. Moratorium on any further posts on this subject in this or any other thread.

[Texitura]

Originally Posted by blix01

I'd have to agree with this.
Our insiders are awesome, but in some ways this website has turned into some kind of personality cult. Conflicts between insiders shouldn't be a reason to keep someone from participating here.

DV is not an insider, he's a wannabe and a troublemaker. I don't know if he creates FUD himself or if his low-level "sources" are playing him for a fool, and I don't care. I don't want him here ever, period.