HDR is crayons

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Pecker

But I’ve seen measured that a typical cinema print will be sub-1080.

Not that I’m saying that means we shouldn’t go for more, just putting it out there.

Aye. As I said, if 4K is the theoretical best you're gonna get on a 35mm negative (4K being a horizontal measurement and 2K the vertical, e.g. 4Kx2K) then it's half that for a regular 4th gen release print, so 2Kx1K is indeed the best that we were gonna get from a regulation mass-produced print. And that's just in relation purely to the photochemistry at play, not taking into account the quality of the projector's optics, the condition of the screen, the inherent instability of film projection etc.

This is basically why 2K has hung around in digital cinema for so long. People initially thought that 2K was just going to be a stepping stone to 4K when DI's first took hold, but when the studios and cinema chains realised that 2K was 'good enough' for the average joe/jane then they didn't bother pushing it further. Then along came 3D which, as a theatrical DCI specification, is currently fixed at 2K, so when that blew up that also put a dampener on finishing out to 4K.

[TheHutt]

What has blew up with 3D in theatres? Movies are still released in 3D theatrically, aren't they?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by TheHutt

What has blew up with 3D in theatres? Movies are still released in 3D theatrically, aren't they?

"blew up" is a reference to it becoming popular

https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...term=blow%20up

[ROSS.T.G.]

Lol

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by TheHutt

What has blew up with 3D in theatres? Movies are still released in 3D theatrically, aren't they?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJxj...ature=youtu.be

[SonSon III]

This thread is Cra-Z

[Noremac Mij]

One thing is for sure, HDR still has some ways to go. Most of my laserdiscs have incredibly bright and rich colors, like something out of the Willy Wonka world. Top that off with superb blacks (if properly adjusted and on an OLED TV) which give an intense pop and well there you have it.

Just finished watching a beautiful copy of 2010. The way that laserdisc handles the space scenes is a sight to see. One day digital will reach that level of colour saturation and depth.

[Trekkie313]

The reason analog home media had such "vibrant" colors was to overcome the coldness of CRT.

[jh901]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

One thing is for sure, HDR still has some ways to go. Most of my laserdiscs have incredibly bright and rich colors, like something out of the Willy Wonka world. Top that off with superb blacks (if properly adjusted and on an OLED TV) which give an intense pop and well there you have it.

Just finished watching a beautiful copy of 2010. The way that laserdisc handles the space scenes is a sight to see. One day digital will reach that level of colour saturation and depth.

There is a zero percent chance that LD has superior color accuracy or saturation than Ultra-HD. Same for contrast. Is there anyone on this forum who can support your opinion on this?

[jh901]

Originally Posted by brainofj72

Yeah I only watch HDR content in total darkness. It’s just not the same with ambient light.

Light control is easy and obvious (simply turn out the lights and close the drapes), but when you get into light treatment, well, that's when you realize what dark actually looks like. There's no substitute for black velvet- essential for my space since I have a screen fabric that reflects light so well. I'd guess that panels deliver quite a bit of light up to the ceiling and all over the walls. Gotta treat it!

[Geoff D]

Indeed, but when lumens are as precious a commodity as they are with projection (and I don't just mean in the home, I mean for projection in general) then such treatment is essential. For direct-view displays not so much, although even I've stopped watching movies in the daytime with the light-blocking curtains closed as enough ambient light still leaks in to shift my perception of the black levels, akin to a bias light. I'd rather watch at night when no ambient light sneaks in.

[DVD Josh]

Originally Posted by jh901

There is a zero percent chance that LD has superior color accuracy or saturation than Ultra-HD. Same for contrast. Is there anyone on this forum who can support your opinion on this?

Someone who hasn't upgraded from VHS I gather.

[ROSS.T.G.]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Indeed, but when lumens are as precious a commodity as they are with projection (and I don't just mean in the home, I mean for projection in general) then such treatment is essential. For direct-view displays not so much, although even I've stopped watching movies in the daytime with the light-blocking curtains closed as enough ambient light still leaks in to shift my perception of the black levels, akin to a bias light. I'd rather watch at night when no ambient light sneaks in.

I had my room painted black back when I had a projector and absolutely love it for my OLED. I love being able to watch a movie any time of the day.

[fighthefutureofhd]

Painted black? No. I cannot abide by a black room. I'm depressed enough as it is without having a completely black room. I'll sacrifice a little of the 4K goodness for some light. my sanity depends on it.

[jh901]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

Painted black? No. I cannot abide by a black room. I'm depressed enough as it is without having a completely black room. I'll sacrifice a little of the 4K goodness for some light. my sanity depends on it.

Black paint reflects light. Even the very best (Rosco, I believe). A proper black velvet is an entirely different thing altogether. Very little light, relatively speaking, escapes.

And yeah, a family or living room would not be the place to go black hole. Only for dedicated theater spaces. The experience is pretty terrific.

[Pecker]

I’ve had a ‘batcave’ Cinema room with projector.

It is not necessary when watching an OLED.

On a bright summer’s day you’ll struggle to get the best, but in normal conditions (at least a little dusky, curtains drawn), it’s quite easy to see even very low light level detail.

[HeavyHitter]

A truly dark dedicated room is awesome even if you don't have an FP set-up. I know not everyone can do it, but if you can...go for it.

[fighthefutureofhd]

I'm sorry, but my sanity cannot without a truly dark dedicated room. My living room though can get pretty dark though if need be. My shades can block out most light coming in if they're turned the right way. My sunroom is another subject, but it's not currently set up yet for watching anything. When I am allowed to purchase another tv I will get one for the living room that is bigger and retire "Randy" to the sunroom. Of course, that may be a while. I've been told no more buying TVs for a while.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

I'm sorry, but my sanity cannot without a truly dark dedicated room. My living room though can get pretty dark though if need be. My shades can block out most light coming in if they're turned the right way. My sunroom is another subject, but it's not currently set up yet for watching anything. When I am allowed to purchase another tv I will get one for the living room that is bigger and retire "Randy" to the sunroom. Of course, that may be a while. I've been told no more buying TVs for a while.

Luxury! I don't have a spare room to use as a dedicated theatre room. So i'm forced to use my living room area, which is open planned with the kitchen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue7w...ature=youtu.be

[fighthefutureofhd]

Oh, my sunroom is not my dedicated home theater room. My living room will always be the go-to place. But I want to use my sunroom as a second-place so that way I won't go crazy any more than I already have. When you spend most of your weekends on the couch watching 4-6 movies a day staring at the same walls and shi-, it can get very overwhelming. Not to mention the number of hours I spend during the weeknights watching movies and whatnot. I have no life.