2025-2026 NFL Season Thread

[fatediesel]

Originally Posted by supersix4

It’s not even that. It’s really the great environment, which as I said if you can't play nice in that I think almost any of the franchises can say "well if they can't do it we sure can't". Take Adalius Thomas for example still a great player back in 09' gets in arguments with the Pat's and poof not even playing anymore. So what would have happened to guys like Dillion, Moss (whose HOF skills really are what kept getting him chances more than Dillion or fatty), and Haynesworth...

Since you're complaining in other threads that I'm not commenting on this I'll give my opinion of the trade. In essence, it's low risk, high reward. If he's a problem the Pats lose virtually nothing, and if he plays like he did in Tennessee than they're huge winners. The Pats play a hybrid 4-3 much of the time so Haynesworth should be able to play the position he likes. Haynesworth should know that if he doesn't succeed with the Pats than his career will be over (like Adalius Thomas as you previously mentioned) so he should be motivated. After Haynesworth skipped the 2010 Redskins minicamp his salary was no longer guaranteed so if Haynesworth doesn't look like a good fit the Pats can cut him and only lose a 2013 5th round pick, and the way the Pats stockpile draft picks that's not a huge loss.

[Hatter]

Originally Posted by fatediesel

Since you're complaining in other threads that I'm not commenting on this I'll give my opinion of the trade. In essence, it's low risk, high reward. If he's a problem the Pats lose virtually nothing, and if he plays like he did in Tennessee than they're huge winners. The Pats play a hybrid 4-3 much of the time so Haynesworth should be able to play the position he likes. Haynesworth should know that if he doesn't succeed with the Pats than his career will be over (like Adalius Thomas as you previously mentioned) so he should be motivated. After Haynesworth skipped the 2010 Redskins minicamp his salary was no longer guaranteed so if Haynesworth doesn't look like a good fit the Pats can cut him and only lose a 2013 5th round pick, and the way the Pats stockpile draft picks that's not a huge loss.

Damn Patriots. They're always scooping up big name players on the cheap. Dillon, Moss, Haynesworth. Get a few great years out of them they send them packing. It's brilliant.

McNabb to the Vikings. If he can fall between Favre '09 and favre '10, that'll be a pretty solid deal for them. Cardinals getting Kolb should give them a strong chance at a playoff berth as well.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by Hatter

Damn Patriots. They're always scooping up big name players on the cheap. Dillon, Moss, Haynesworth. Get a few great years out of them they send them packing. It's brilliant.

I mean its not like they aren't taking a huge risk with each one, look at the cancer that T.O. was to that iggls lockerroom. They are taking a burden and so far in every instance its paid off in at least one way or another. It's like buying a car that gets labled a lemon or salvage and you get 200k out of it and zero problems. They are playing the odds and so far they've won everytime, and if that organization stays in-tact I don't see why they can't continue to get gold out of other peoples crap.

And I never complain Fate

[Hatter]

Originally Posted by supersix4

I mean its not like they aren't taking a huge risk with each one, look at the cancer that T.O. was to that iggls lockerroom. They are taking a burden and so far in every instance its paid off in at least one way or another. It's like buying a car that gets labled a lemon or salvage and you get 200k out of it and zero problems. They are playing the odds and so far they've won everytime, and if that organization stays in-tact I don't see why they can't continue to get gold out of other peoples crap.

And I never complain Fate

I don't consider it a huge risk. Now that he's been Shanahanized (thanks Tim Cowlishaw), the fact Bellichick demands and gets more respect by his players than any other coach in the league, the fact that they essentially play 4-3 defense and that Haynesworth's contract is no longer guaranteed, he'll fall into line.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by Hatter

I don't consider it a huge risk. Now that he's been Shanahanized (thanks Tim Cowlishaw), the fact Bellichick demands and gets more respect by his players than any other coach in the league, they play 4-3 and that Haynesworth's contract is no longer guaranteed, he'll fall into line.

Any player can eat away a team, you start getting in teammates ears and splitting the lockerroom (again T.O.) you've got problems. But I never said Haynesworth himself is a huge problem in-fact I bet he'd go quicker than most if he acted up.

[Bigdog]

Originally Posted by Hatter

I don't consider it a huge risk. Now that he's been Shanahanized (thanks Tim Cowlishaw), the fact Bellichick demands and gets more respect by his players than any other coach in the league, the fact that they essentially play 4-3 defense and that Haynesworth's contract is no longer guaranteed, he'll fall into line.

Shanahan is a moron so the fact that this guy didn't want to play for him is not upsetting or even the least bit concerning for me as a pats fan. Any coach that uses a player like this completely out of position when game after game it was shown to not work is the reason it all went wrong in Washington. He is not a nose tackle and he will not be asked to be one here as Wilfork has that spot locked down. Vince draws a double on almost every down, if Haynsworth can step in a do the same this line is going to be feared IMO!

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by Bigdog

He is not a nose tackle and he will not be asked to be one here as Wilfork has that spot locked down. Vince draws a double on almost every down, if Haynsworth can step in a do the same this line is going to be feared IMO!

Isn't and doesn't want to be are two very different things (Michael Vick ISN'T a NT) Wilfork checks in at 6'2 and 325, fatty on a good day is 6'6 350 . Yes Shanny did things wrong, but so did buttersworth, and thats not a fact that can be overlooked. Also as far as things going wrong every team (even the Steelers in the 90s) had growing pains when completly switching systems from 4-3 to 3-4 so that argument is baseless. Are there lots of problems yes, but forcing a lazy person to work for 100 million doesn't rub me the wrong way, and it doesn't seem to rub many players on other teams wrong either ( Dockett saying he'd carry the tackling dummies in for 100 million as just a single example). He's gone and its over. He'll either try and not complain in NE or he can leave the NFL just like Adalius Thomas (and thats with nobody caring).

[Hatter]

Originally Posted by Bigdog

Shanahan is a moron so the fact that this guy didn't want to play for him is not upsetting or even the least bit concerning for me as a pats fan. Any coach that uses a player like this completely out of position when game after game it was shown to not work is the reason it all went wrong in Washington. He is not a nose tackle and he will not be asked to be one here as Wilfork has that spot locked down. Vince draws a double on almost every down, if Haynsworth can step in a do the same this line is going to be feared IMO!

No doubt Shanahan is a moron. I added that in because whether or not he had a legitimate beef, it has put him on thin ice.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by Hatter

it has put him on thin ice.

Problem is Snyder has come to a point where he has got to stick with someone that isn't named Joe Gibbs, and that alone might keep Shanny out of hot water for longer than most people think. Me I think it could go either way, he could be here one more season or finish out his contract, I just don't know.

He is a moron in the sense that he and Allen said when they came "this isn't a rebuild" when it CLEARLY was, and the fanbase was at the point where they knew it and accepted it, and had he dismantaled the team, I think everyone would have gotten behind whatever outcome the next few years would bring. But I don't know that it's possible anymore with the lost year.

[Hatter]

Originally Posted by supersix4

Problem is Snyder has come to a point where he has got to stick with someone that isn't named Joe Gibbs, and that alone might keep Shanny out of hot water for longer than most people think. Me I think it could go either way, he could be here one more season or finish out his contract, I just don't know.

He is a moron in the sense that he and Allen said when they came "this isn't a rebuild" when it CLEARLY was, and the fanbase was at the point where they knew it and accepted it, and had he dismantaled the team, I think everyone would have gotten behind whatever outcome the next few years would bring. But I don't know that it's possible anymore with the lost year.

Sorry, was referring to Haynesworth being on thin ice whether his beef was legitimate or not.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by Hatter

Sorry, was referring to Haynesworth being on thin ice whether his beef was legitimate or not.

Oh he's clearly either going to do good (or average and hang around if he isn't causing problems) or be gone, nothing else too it.

If 100 million can't get you to play, and being with one of the best franchises in football can't either then you won't be in football much longer.

[Navster]

Wow def a great trade for the Pats, if Fatsworth plays to his potential, the Pats will be a SCARY team this year

[DVDFreaker]

Originally Posted by NavsterKing

Wow def a great trade for the Pats, if Fatsworth plays to his potential, the Pats will be a SCARY team this year

Yeah, I wish the Vikings has a smart organization like the Patriots! Props to the Patriots for making that trade!

[Navster]

Fate, have the Pats done anything to improve their O-line? Only reason i'm asking is becuase last year the Jets just ran all over your O-line to get to Brady in the playoffs... Is that becuase how good the Jets D-line is, or just flaws with your own O-line?...

[Batman1980]

Looks like the Redskins stole away our LDE, second time in recent memory one of our vital defensive pieces went away to a division rival.

[DVDFreaker]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

Looks like the Redskins stole away our LDE, second time in recent memory one of our vital defensive pieces went away to a division rival.

Who?

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by DVDFreaker

Who?

Stephen Bowen, the one who played well in the absence of the injured Marcus Spears last year, at least Cullen Jenkins is still a possibility.

[DVDFreaker]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

Stephen Bowen, the one who played well in the absence of the injured Marcus Spears last year, at least Cullen Jenkins is still a possibility.

You are worried about nothing, the Redskins overpaid for him and probably will play like crap for the Redskins just like McNabb and Hayesworth did

[twinkie]

Originally Posted by NavsterKing

Fate, have the Pats done anything to improve their O-line? Only reason i'm asking is becuase last year the Jets just ran all over your O-line to get to Brady in the playoffs... Is that becuase how good the Jets D-line is, or just flaws with your own O-line?...

it's a flaw on the Pats o-line. they got exposed during their perfect season run against the Giants and it seems they haven't taken care of that

[Bigdog]

Originally Posted by NavsterKing

Fate, have the Pats done anything to improve their O-line? Only reason i'm asking is becuase last year the Jets just ran all over your O-line to get to Brady in the playoffs... Is that becuase how good the Jets D-line is, or just flaws with your own O-line?...

"Nate Solder, Colorado, 6-8, 319, 1, Delete the vision of the perfect tackle you've banked in your mind. Solder is the sleek, super-charged version of the old-school model. On appearances alone, Seahawks GM John Schneider offered head-shaking admiration. Getting around Solder requires either elite raw power or a forklift. There's no looping around his 81-inch wingspan and he's agile enough to limit mistakes."

Not a immediate answer but IMO you never build a o-line through free agency unless you want cap hell!