I certainly don't think he is as good as Brady or Peyton but he's not far off the top teir or maybe at the bottom of it. He has won 60% of his games as a starter. He has never missed a game. He has been a full time starter for 6 years and his team has won 10 or more games 4 times and has never had a losing record. Plus he has won a Superbowl. In that time period there are only a couple of names that have more impressive resumes.
My hate of the Giants aside, Eli only has a Super Bowl because of a horse dropping, grace of god catch. (Although, how he broke out of 20 tackles, I'll still never figure out). Now, when I think of the best in the league, the first 3 spots are AFC Quarterbacks. (Peyton Manning, Tom Brady (over rated - but still top 5), Phillip Rivers). The next in line long before Eli is: Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers, Tony Romo, Matt Stafford, Josh Freeman, then maybe Eli.
i applaud both guys, but especially Vanden Bosh who doesn't have much time left. Stafford, if healthy and continues to grow, will of course make that money back.
Calvin should think of doing the same.
but... why would they do this now? who's left for them to get that would cost a lot? unless they try and trade someone...? they should have done this weeks ago!
My hate of the Giants aside, Eli only has a Super Bowl because of a horse dropping, grace of god catch. (Although, how he broke out of 20 tackles, I'll still never figure out). Now, when I think of the best in the league, the first 3 spots are AFC Quarterbacks. (Peyton Manning, Tom Brady (over rated - but still top 5), Phillip Rivers). The next in line long before Eli is: Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers, Tony Romo, Matt Stafford, Josh Freeman, then maybe Eli.
wow! Rivers #3 eh? he's good, damn good, but right now he's got a type of Peyton Manning-illness. great stats, solid team, crumbles in the playoffs. and that falls on the QB. and while the Chargers could very well turn things around quite quickly, i think their window closed two years ago now and isn't looking any better.
but Rivers SHOULD continue to improve. and he has a cannon. so just basing this off of QB play, i would place him in top 10, but probably at like #6 or so if i had a list.
My hate of the Giants aside, Eli only has a Super Bowl because of a horse dropping, grace of god catch. (Although, how he broke out of 20 tackles, I'll still never figure out). Now, when I think of the best in the league, the first 3 spots are AFC Quarterbacks. (Peyton Manning, Tom Brady (over rated - but still top 5), Phillip Rivers). The next in line long before Eli is: Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers, Tony Romo, Matt Stafford, Josh Freeman, then maybe Eli.
I think that hatred is clouding your judgment. We are talking real football and not fantasy right? Plus the fact that you think Tom Brady is overated shows even more biases. I think most of your list has real potential Rivers, Ryan, Romo, Stafford and Freeman) but they have done nothing yet. They haven't won enough games, playoff games, or done anything achievement wise combined to add up to Eli. 6 years of no losing seasons, multiple playoff appearances and a Superbowl is something that list can only dream of. They might get their eventually but they aren't there yet.
wow! Rivers #3 eh? he's good, damn good, but right now he's got a type of Peyton Manning-illness. great stats, solid team, crumbles in the playoffs. and that falls on the QB. and while the Chargers could very well turn things around quite quickly, i think their window closed two years ago now and isn't looking any better.
but Rivers SHOULD continue to improve. and he has a cannon. so just basing this off of QB play, i would place him in top 10, but probably at like #6 or so if i had a list.
I'm a big Rivers fan of his play (attitude - maybe not so much). I'd figure if anyone had an issue with anyone on my list, it would be Romo. The NFC guys I didn't put in any order though, other than Eli being 10th.
I'm a big Rivers fan of his play (attitude - maybe not so much). I'd figure if anyone had an issue with anyone on my list, it would be Romo. The NFC guys I didn't put in any order though, other than Eli being 10th.
Plus where is Drew Brees on your list? Michael Vick is better then most of your list. Are you really serious with this conversation or are you just trying to start an argument?
Plus where is Drew Brees on your list? Michael Vick is better then most of your list. Are you really serious with this conversation or are you just trying to start an argument?
I should ask the same thing with you breathing Vick's name. Until last year, he was all legs and a very inaccurate passer. Only ONCE in his career (last year) has he hit over 60% completion (which - by the way, Romo has NEVER been under 60%) --
Maybe I should've put Brees on my list over Freeman, didn't really think of him at the time
I should ask the same thing with you breathing Vick's name. Until last year, he was all legs and a very inaccurate passer. Only ONCE in his career (last year) has he hit over 60% completion (which - by the way, Romo has NEVER been under 60%) --
Maybe I should've put Brees on my list over Freeman, didn't really think of him at the time
But he almost won the MVP award last year and has also won more then 60% of his games. I don't put him with Brady, Manning, Brees, and Aaron Rodgers but he still deserves more recognition as a QB at this point then Freeman, Stafford, and Romo. Your whole though process seems skewed and biased. Again, how could you have Rivers any higher then 5th? You can even make a case for Ben Roethlisberger being better. I just think numbers can can not be the main factor in ranking Qbs. It helps but I think winning helps even more. Rivers puts up great numbers on a team that plays in a terrible division and has made one AFC title game and lost. Those other guys have won superbowls or multiple superbowls and can put up the same or better numbers.
My hate of the Giants aside, Eli only has a Super Bowl because of a horse dropping, grace of god catch. (Although, how he broke out of 20 tackles, I'll still never figure out). Now, when I think of the best in the league, the first 3 spots are AFC Quarterbacks. (Peyton Manning, Tom Brady (over rated - but still top 5), Phillip Rivers). The next in line long before Eli is: Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers, Tony Romo, Matt Stafford, Josh Freeman, then maybe Eli.
Eli is a good QB, but he's just not a top-tier QB. He's second tier and likely always will be. Not sure how you can say Stafford is above Eli though. He's always injured and has more picks than TD's in his career.
Eli is a good QB, but he's just not a top-tier QB. He's second tier and likely always will be. Not sure how you can say Stafford is above Eli though. If the guy wasn't incredibly injury-prone maybe. But he's almost always hurt and missing games.
Again, look at his posts, he clearly isn't thinking objectively. He is way too in love with Philip Rivers and seems to think the guys that are in the "cool to like" in 2011 is the end all for deciding who is good.
Again, look at his posts, he clearly isn't thinking objectively. He is way too in love with Philip Rivers and seems to think the guys that are in the "cool to like" in 2011 is the end all for deciding who is good.
Ya, Rivers has never impressed me much. His numbers in the regular season are always terrific, but in the postseason they're crap. Rivers is 4-5 in the postseason with a mediocre 79.2 passer rating.
But he almost won the MVP award last year and has also won more then 60% of his games. I don't put him with Brady, Manning, Brees, and Aaron Rodgers but he still deserves more recognition as a QB at this point then Freeman, Stafford, and Romo. Your whole though process seems skewed and biased. Again, how could you have Rivers any higher then 5th? You can even make a case for Ben Roethlisberger being better. I just think numbers can can not be the main factor in ranking Qbs. It helps but I think winning helps even more. Rivers puts up great numbers on a team that plays in a terrible division and has made one AFC title game and lost. Those other guys have won superbowls or multiple superbowls and can put up the same or better numbers.
If that's the case, Marino, Moon, Fouts, and Kelly must be weak in your books. They're not "Winners". In Rivers defense, his kicker screwed him in a few of those games. I'm not a Chargers fan to clarify that issue. But, as far as me "liking who's cool to like in 2011", Michael Vick would be #1 on that list. I don't necessarily hate Vick, until last year, I didn't see him as a very competent quarterback.
If that's the case, Marino, Moon, Fouts, and Kelly must be weak in your books. They're not "Winners". In Rivers defense, his kicker screwed him in a few of those games. I'm not a Chargers fan to clarify that issue. But, as far as me "liking who's cool to like in 2011", Michael Vick would be #1 on that list. I don't necessarily hate Vick, until last year, I didn't see him as a very competent quarterback.
As a dolphins fan I love Marino. But when the discussion comes up of greatest QBs ever even with the many records he had most people didn't put him in the top 5 or 10 of that list. He's usually right outside that because he never won the big one. Those guys on your list are great though. They had long careers, won lots of games, made some super bowls and were proven to be great. You've got guys on your list who haven't played 16 full nfl games and you have them ranked ahead of Brees, Eli Manning, Michael Vick, and Ben Roethlisberger. If there is one other person on here who thinks your list is accurate I would be severely shocked.
Roy Williams admitted Wednesday that he's not yet in game shape after two weeks of Bears camp.
We see no excuse for this. Williams has been observed practicing "at less than peak speed," and Roy E. conceded "my conditioning" has held him back. "Getting my wind right. You have to be able to run in this offense." Williams began practicing with the Bears on August 4, so he must have been really out of shape before that. Said quarterback Jay Cutler, "hopefully by Monday('s preseason game), he’ll be ready to go." Hopefully.
Barber got soft and slow after Jerry paid him, now that he doesn't have a lot of guaranteed money, he's suddenly playing with fire and heart again, not surprising.
List of NFL ties due to Miami... Also list benefits they got
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Jon Beason, linebacker, Carolina Panthers: Cash gifts, entertainment on Shapiro's yacht, Drinks and VIP access in nightclubs, meals at Miami-area restaurants. Beason also received $1,150 in bounties. From the report: "Shapiro said he paid Beason $650 in bounty money for his first career start at Virginia on Nov. 13, 2004. The cash was doled out for Beason notching eight tackles ($50 each) and a sack ($250) in a 31-21 win. The booster said a second bounty of $500 was paid for a hit that Beason put on Colorado quarterback Joel Klatt during the runback of a fumbled snap in a 23-3 win over Colorado on Sept. 24, 2005."
Calais Campbell, defensive end, Arizona Cardinals: Food, drinks and entertainment at Shapiro's $6 million Miami Beach mansion, an August 2006 dinner at Italian eatery Grazie in which Shapiro personally drove Campbell to the restaurant, and at least one occasion where Shapiro provided VIP access and drinks at a nightclub.
Vernon Carey, offensive lineman, Miami Dolphins: Food, drinks and entertainment at one of Shapiro's homes and on his yacht.
Orlando Franklin, offensive tackle, Denver Broncos: Food, drinks and entertainment at Shapiro's Miami Beach mansion on multiple occasions, drinks and VIP access in nightclubs on multiple occasions, bounties for plays against defensive linemen, meals at Miami-area restaurants including a February 2007 dinner at Italian eatery Grazie.
Frank Gore, running back, San Francisco 49ers: Lunch with Shapiro on a handful of occasions. Also, according to the report: "Shapiro also told federal agents in taped interviews that both he and current Miami staffer Sean Allen(notes) had knowledge of Shapiro's partner in Axcess Sports — then-NFL agent and current UFL commissioner Michael Huyghue — paying Gore while he played for the Hurricanes."
Devin Hester, wide receiver/returner, Chicago Bears: Multiple cash gifts, including cash for rims for Hester's sport utility vehicle, approximately $3,000 for an engagement ring, playoff tickets to a Miami Heat versus Detroit Pistons playoff game on June 6, 2005. Also: drinks and VIP access at nightclubs, multiple meals at Miami-area restaurants. Food, drinks, entertainment and lodging at Shapiro's $2.7 million Miami Beach home, Entertainment on Shapiro's million yacht, clothing purchased for Hester in August 2005.
The report also details $7,500 in bounties: "$1,000 total for a 97-yard kickoff return for a touchdown ($500) and an ensuing celebration penalty ($500) in a 38-33 win over Florida on Sept. 6, 2003; $2,500 total for two punt returns for touchdowns ($1,000 each) and one celebration penalty ($500) in a 48-0 win over Louisiana Tech on Sept. 18, 2004; $2,000 total for two return touchdowns (including one called back by penalty) in a 41-38 win over Louisville on Oct. 14, 2004; $1,000 total for a kickoff return for a touchdown in a 45-31 win over N.C. State on Oct. 23, 2004; and $1,000 total for a missed field goal returned for a touchdown in a 27-10 win over Florida on Dec. 31, 2004."
Andre Johnson, wide receiver, Houston Texans: Multiple trips to nightclubs where Shapiro paid for VIP access and drinks.
Willis McGahee, running back, Denver Broncos: Two custom-tailored suits, plane tickets for McGahee's girlfriend and a second woman to attend the 2002 Heisman Trophy ceremony in New York City, food, drinks and entertainment at Shapiro's $2.7 million Miami Beach home, and various cash gifts.
The report has McGahee receiving $2,000 in cash bounties: "The bounties were: $1,000 total for 234 rushing yards (Shapiro offered $500 per 100 total yards) in a 41-16 win over Florida on Sept. 7, 2002; and $1,000 total for a touchdown ($500) and 173 yards rushing and receiving ($500) in a 28-27 win over Florida State on Oct. 12, 2002."
Rocky McIntosh, linebacker, Washington Redskins: Drinks and VIP access in nightclubs, entertainment on Shapiro's $1.6 million yacht, and $500 in bounties. The report indicates that the bounty payment was for a pair of sacks and a fumble recovery by McIntosh in a 27-7 win over Virginia Tech on Nov. 5, 2005.
Kenny Phillips, safety, New York Giants: Food, drinks and entertainment at two homes owned by Shapiro and one owned by Shapiro's ex-girlfriend, meals at Miami-area restaurants, entertainment on Shapiro's yacht.
Antrel Rolle, safety. New York Giants: A $7,500 watch, cash gifts in the thousands of dollars (reportedly as much as $40,000), multiple trips to both nightclubs and strip clubs where Shapiro paid for VIP access, drinks and entertainment, trips on Shapiro's yacht, food, drinks and entertainment at Shapiro's $2.7 million Miami Beach home, transpiration to and from nightclubs and strip clubs provided by Shapiro's bodyguards
Rolle also received $1,500 in bounties. From the report: "One bounty of $1,000 was for Rolle shutting down Georgia Tech wideout (and former Miami recruiting target) Calvin Johnson(notes) in a 27-3 win over Georgia Tech on Oct. 2, 2004. A second bounty of $500 was for a game-sealing interception in a 41-38 win over Louisville on Oct. 14, 2004."
Sam Shields, cornerback, Green Bay Packers: A 42" TV, drinks and VIP access in nightclubs, food, drink, and entertainment in Shapiro's mansion.
Jonathan Vilma, linebacker, New Orleans Saints: Food, drinks and entertainment in Shapiro's $2.7 million Miami Beach home, entertainment on Shapiro's yacht and personal watercraft, various cash gifts, drinks and VIP access in nightclubs, and $2,250 in bounties. "Shapiro said the bounties were: $1,000 for a hit and personal foul penalty by Vilma on Florida State quarterback Chris Rix during Miami's 28-27 win on Oct. 12, 2002; $250 for a sack in a 38-33 win over Florida on Sept. 6, 2003; and $1,000 for a hit on Rix in a 16-14 win over Florida State on Jan. 1, 2004."
Vince Wilfork, defensive tackle, New England Patriots: A $50,000 lump sum payment during Wilfork's junior season. Per the report: "Shapiro said the payment was made to secure Wilfork's commitment to Shapiro's sports agency, Axcess Sports, which he co-owned with then-NFL agent and current UFL commissioner Michael Huyghue. Wilfork eventually signed with Axcess Sports and his first NFL contract was negotiated by Huyghue."
Wilfork also received multiple cash gifts totaling in the thousands of dollars, trips to nightclubs where Shapiro paid for VIP access and drinks, fishing and leisure trips on Shapiro's yacht, meals at Miami-area restaurants, lodging, food and drinks at Shapiro's $2.7 million Miami Beach home, and a washer and dryer worth approximately $1,500.
The report also indicated that Wilfork received three bounty payments totaling $1,250. "A bounty of $500 was paid for a sack and unsportsmanlike conduct penalty by Wilfork in a 41-16 win over Florida on Sept. 7, 2002. A second bounty of $250 was paid for a sack by Wilfork in a 38-33 win over Florida on Sept. 6, 2003. A third bounty of $500 was paid for a fumble recovery by Wilfork in a 22-14 win over Florida State on Oct. 11, 2003."
D.J. Williams, linebacker, Denver Broncos: Food, drinks and entertainment at Shapiro's Miami Beach home, cash gifts, entertainment on Shapiro's yacht, a trip to Miami for Williams' mother, multiple meals in Miami-area restaurants, and a $250 bounty for a sack in a 38-33 win over Florida on Sept. 6, 2003.
Kellen Winslow, Jr., tight end, Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Entertainment on Shapiro's yacht and personal watercraft, drinks and VIP access in nightclubs, and "Shapiro said he also paid cash to fix damage Winslow inflicted by crashing one of the booster's personal watercraft into another boat."
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who's left for them to get that would cost a lot? unless they try and trade someone...? they should have done this weeks ago!
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