2025-2026 NFL Season Thread

[fatediesel]

The 49ers are Chiefs have swapped first round bust receivers, with the 49ers receiving 2011 pick Jon Baldwin and the Chiefs receiving 2012 pick A.J. Jenkins. Jenkins did not have any receptions last year and fumbled his only reception this preseason and there were reports last week that there was a good chance he was going to get cut. Baldwin injured his wrist in the 2011 preseason during a fight with teammate Thomas Jones and has 41 receptions for 579 yards in his 2 seasons in KC.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...g-draft-picks/

[Batman1980]

Pretty much why unless it's a talent like Randy Moss or Roddy White or Megatron or Dez Bryant you shouldn't take a WR in the 1st round. 1st 2 rounds should be for the trenches period.

[sycro]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

Pretty much why unless it's a talent like Randy Moss or Roddy White or Megatron or Dez Bryant you shouldn't take a WR in the 1st round. 1st 2 rounds should be for the trenches period.

Or JULLLLIIIIOOOOOOO

Julio Jones with the catch of the year! - YouTube

(Super Slow-mo) Julio Jones FILTHY pre game catch - YouTube

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

Pretty much why unless it's a talent like Randy Moss or Roddy White or Megatron or Dez Bryant you shouldn't take a WR in the 1st round. 1st 2 rounds should be for the trenches period.

I agree. At both RB and WR I'd be hesisitant to blow a high pick. Running Backs are a dime a dozen and most are done by 30. Wide Receivers just seem to have a sky high bust rate. Look at how many Detroit took before striking gold with Calvin Johnson. The Jags have a terrible record drafting WR high too for many years. So far I'm not thinking Blackmon will be the guy to break that streak of misses.

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by fatediesel

Looks like the Von Miller suspension is about to become official:



The Broncos first 6 games are against the Ravens, at Giants, Raiders, Eagles, at Cowboys, and Jaguars.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp1...get-6-game-ban

Reading the story more It appears Miller purposely spilled his urine sample all over the floor and told the people administering the test that he "couldn't go" again. He then went to team practice and started drinking fluids nonstop, obviously to try and taint the test the next time.

[DoubleDownAgain]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

Pretty much why unless it's a talent like Randy Moss or Roddy White or Megatron or Dez Bryant you shouldn't take a WR in the 1st round. 1st 2 rounds should be for the trenches period.

I disagree.

I looked at the last 10 All-Pro teams (from Wikipedia). It listed two teams, and sometiems it listed 2 WRs, some years 3 WRs.

Out of these there are 46 total entries:

58.7% - Were 1st round picks
10.9% - Were 2nd Round Picks
13.0% - Were 3rd Round Picks
6.5% - Were 4th Round Picks
0% - Were 5th, 6th or 7th Round Picks
10.9% - Were undrafted

69.6% - Were either 1st or 2nd round picks

Here are a list of all the Players, with number of All-Pro Selections (First or Second Team)

1st Round Picks
Andre Johnson (5)
Calvin Johnson (3)
Larry Fitzgerald (3)
Marvin Harrison (3)
Reggie Wayne (3)
Braylon Edwards (2)
Randy Moss (2)
Torry Holt (2)
A. J. Green (1)
Dwayne Bowe (1)
Roddy White (1)
Santana Moss (1)

2nd Round Picks
Chad Johnson (4)
Muhsin Muhammad (1)

3rd Round Picks
Hines Ward (2)
Steve Smith (2)
Terrell Owens (2)

4th Round Picks
Brandon Marshall (2)
Brandon Lloyd (1)

Undrafted
Wes Welker (4)
Victor Cruz (1)

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by DoubleDownAgain

I disagree.

I looked at the last 10 All-Pro teams (from Wikipedia). It listed two teams, and sometiems it listed 2 WRs, some years 3 WRs.

Out of these there are 46 total entries:

58.7% - Were 1st round picks
10.9% - Were 2nd Round Picks
13.0% - Were 3rd Round Picks
6.5% - Were 4th Round Picks
0% - Were 5th, 6th or 7th Round Picks
10.9% - Were undrafted

69.6% - Were either 1st or 2nd round picks

Here are a list of all the Players, with number of All-Pro Selections (First or Second Team)

1st Round Picks
Andre Johnson (5)
Calvin Johnson (3)
Larry Fitzgerald (3)
Marvin Harrison (3)
Reggie Wayne (3)
Braylon Edwards (2)
Randy Moss (2)
Torry Holt (2)
A. J. Green (1)
Dwayne Bowe (1)
Roddy White (1)
Santana Moss (1)

2nd Round Picks
Chad Johnson (4)
Muhsin Muhammad (1)

3rd Round Picks
Hines Ward (2)
Steve Smith (2)
Terrell Owens (2)

4th Round Picks
Brandon Marshall (2)
Brandon Lloyd (1)

Undrafted
Wes Welker (4)
Victor Cruz (1)

Thing is you don't "need" an All-Pro caliber WR to win a Super Bowl. How many of those 1st and 2nd rounders have a ring? I think only Harrison, Wayne and Holt do - all with 1 a piece. A top-tier or high 2nd-tier QB is what turns a team into a championship team.

Those 3rd, 4th round and undrafted WR's have as many rings than the guys you mentioned as 1st-2nd round picks.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by sycro

Or JULLLLIIIIOOOOOOO



Julio Jones with the catch of the year! - YouTube

(Super Slow-mo) Julio Jones FILTHY pre game catch - YouTube

Yeah I like Julio quite a bit, always considered him to be what Dez would be like with a brain but now it would appear Dez is infinitely more mature and polished than he was when he first came into the league. Scary to think how good he would be on a team that had a decent offensive line, a good running game and an accurate QB with a huge arm. The only knock I have on Dez right now is he's a masochist, too often he looks to run someone over instead of just run by them for a bigger play, it's why he gets hurt so often.

[Navster]

Originally Posted by sycro

Or JULLLLIIIIOOOOOOO



Julio Jones with the catch of the year! - YouTube

(Super Slow-mo) Julio Jones FILTHY pre game catch - YouTube

Gonna draft him in the second round

[sycro]

Originally Posted by Navster

Gonna draft him in the second round

Gonna beat your team down with only AD starting.

[walruswarrior]

Originally Posted by Navster

Gonna draft him in the second round

If he gets by me, which he won't

[DoubleDownAgain]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

Thing is you don't "need" an All-Pro caliber WR to win a Super Bowl. How many of those 1st and 2nd rounders have a ring? I think only Harrison, Wayne and Holt do - all with 1 a piece. A top-tier or high 2nd-tier QB is what turns a team into a championship team.

Those 3rd, 4th round and undrafted WR's have as many rings than the guys you mentioned as 1st-2nd round picks.

I agree on the QB part, the single most important piece of the puzzle. Sure there have been plenty of busts at WR in the first round, but what position hasn't had their fair share of busts? Plenty of OL & DL that were taking high that never amounted to anything. I do agree that RBs, unless special, should be found later in the draft.

[Navster]

Originally Posted by walruswarrior

If he gets by me, which he won't

As long as Sycro doesn't get him

[sycro]

Originally Posted by Navster

As long as Sycro doesn't get him

Somebody's just jealous because

John Cena the champ is here - YouTube

[Navster]

Originally Posted by sycro

Somebody's just jealous because

John Cena the champ is here - YouTube

Touché

[TitansFan4Life]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

Pretty much why unless it's a talent like Randy Moss or Roddy White or Megatron or Dez Bryant you shouldn't take a WR in the 1st round. 1st 2 rounds should be for the trenches period.

Totally disagree. There's always one WR worth a 1st round pick each season. This year may have been one exception because I wouldn't have taken any of these rookie WRs in the 1st round. But I'd say that's a pretty rare case. Jenkins just wasn't any good from the start. No idea why they took him so early.

The Titans missed out on Super Bowls because we did not draft WRs in the first round and it showed.

Kenny Britt (2009) was our first WR taken in the 1st round since Kevin Dyson (1998). Inexcusable... and on a side note, we took Dyson instead of Moss. Ugh.

Now if it's a fantasy football draft, I completely agree with your statement because I always take RB in the 1st round. No exceptions.

Baldwin might be a good sleeper pickup. That's an incredibly weak WR corps outside of Boldin. And Manningham is on the PUP list.

2011: AJ Green, Julio Jones
2010: Demaryius Thomas, Dez Bryant
2009: Michael Crabtree, Percy Harvin, Hakeem Nicks
2007: Calvin Johnson, Dwayne Bowe
2005: Roddy White
2004: Larry Fitzgerald
2003: Andre Johnson
2001: Reggie Wayne

The only issue with picking them... Outside of QB, WRs might be the most common players to bust. So it's just a matter of picking the right one. Easier said than done sometimes, but every WR I listed was worth a 1st round pick.

[DoubleDownAgain]

Originally Posted by TitansFan4Life

Now if it's a fantasy football draft, I completely agree with your statement because I always take RB in the 1st round. No exceptions.

I might agree with you, if this was 5-10 years ago. But it all comes down to league rules and scoring. For example the IBL, the IntraBoard FFL is a 8 Board 96 team league, with 12 teams per board. 8 Separate email drafts, which are staggered, with the ability to trade picks from all the drafts. So there are 8 of each player available, but you can never have more than one on your team at a time. It was crazy this year to see the massive run on WRs, C.Johnson went first overall in 7 of the 8 drafts. In my draft I was @ 1.10 and Doug Martin fell all the way too me, which I happily drafted. The reason why is it's a PPR league with the ability to either start 2 RB & 3 WR or 1 RB & 4 WR. With the emergence of RBBC and PPR it's really narrowed the gap between RBs and WRs.

I'm still partial to getting a top RB, but if if you are sitting at the end of the first round and all the top ones are gone and you have big time WRs available you are probably doing yourself a disservice by going with the trend and grabbing a lower ranked RB.

[TitansFan4Life]

Originally Posted by DoubleDownAgain

I might agree with you, if this was 5-10 years ago. But it all comes down to league rules and scoring. For example the IBL, the IntraBoard FFL is a 8 Board 96 team league, with 12 teams per board. 8 Separate email drafts, which are staggered, with the ability to trade picks from all the drafts. So there are 8 of each player available, but you can never have more than one on your team at a time. It was crazy this year to see the massive run on WRs, C.Johnson went first overall in 7 of the 8 drafts. In my draft I was @ 1.10 and Doug Martin fell all the way too me, which I happily drafted. The reason why is it's a PPR league with the ability to either start 2 RB & 3 WR or 1 RB & 4 WR. With the emergence of RBBC and PPR it's really narrowed the gap between RBs and WRs.

I'm still partial to getting a top RB, but if if you are sitting at the end of the first round and all the top ones are gone and you have big time WRs available you are probably doing yourself a disservice by going with the trend and grabbing a lower ranked RB.

I only do standard scoring leagues, so that's what I was referring to.

I would consider drafting Megatron if it was the very end of the 1st round and I could get an elite RB at the top of the 2nd round. Last year, I broke my own rule and took Megatron 5th or 6th overall. And amazing as he may be, I definitely regretted it.

I tend to go RB, RB, WR, WR, QB. I think that's the best formula in a standard scoring league this year. With QB as deep as it is, you could probably wait a couple more rounds and still get a good one, but I like the value best in the 5th.

[Brady_2_Moss]

idk how high to draft gronk this year or reach for him...don't think he will be on PUP list but will miss first 2-3 games...hmmm 1 draft isn't until sunday..the next the following sunday.

Most still have him as a top 3 TE this year even if missing some games..

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by TitansFan4Life

Totally disagree. There's always one WR worth a 1st round pick each season. This year may have been one exception because I wouldn't have taken any of these rookie WRs in the 1st round. But I'd say that's a pretty rare case. Jenkins just wasn't any good from the start. No idea why they took him so early.

The Titans missed out on Super Bowls because we did not draft WRs in the first round and it showed.

Kenny Britt (2009) was our first WR taken in the 1st round since Kevin Dyson (1998). Inexcusable... and on a side note, we took Dyson instead of Moss. Ugh.

Now if it's a fantasy football draft, I completely agree with your statement because I always take RB in the 1st round. No exceptions.

Baldwin might be a good sleeper pickup. That's an incredibly weak WR corps outside of Boldin. And Manningham is on the PUP list.

2011: AJ Green, Julio Jones
2010: Demaryius Thomas, Dez Bryant
2009: Michael Crabtree, Percy Harvin, Hakeem Nicks
2007: Calvin Johnson, Dwayne Bowe
2005: Roddy White
2004: Larry Fitzgerald
2003: Andre Johnson
2001: Reggie Wayne

The only issue with picking them... Outside of QB, WRs might be the most common players to bust. So it's just a matter of picking the right one. Easier said than done sometimes, but every WR I listed was worth a 1st round pick.

Well I'm not sure what the "bust ratio" on RB's is but I think it's the worst position to use an early draft pick for. These days decent RB's are a dime a dozen and even the good ones are typically done at around age 30. It's just not a position necessary for winning Super Bowls anymore in today's passing dominant game. The only people who pay much attention to RB's these days are fantasy football types.

Taking a gamble on a QB with a high pick is well worth the risk IMO since that's the position by far and away most important in building a championship team.