2025-2026 NFL Season Thread

[returnofthemack]

Originally Posted by DoubleDownAgain

But you did!

Not really. I never said the nfl doesn't have the right to suspend him. Clearly they do (and I never said anything otherwise). I'm saying it isn't right. Big difference.

Again, just because the nfl has a set of rules it does not make them fair or right. Let say your dentist prescribed you Vicodin after some dental work and your union agreed that if you take that medicine for any reason your will be suspended for a year from your job. While you technically violated the rules it doesn't make it right or fair. Now I'm not saying that is the case for josh gordon. No one knows what the circumstances were that caused Gordon to fail except for Gordon himself. But maybe that should matter.

Anything else I have to say on the subject would just be me repeating myself so I'm done. If you feel like you need to catch me in some kind of intellectual trap go for it.

[Navster]

Originally Posted by cajmoyper

I'm not trying to start anything here. It's only because it seems one of the most level-headed analysts on ESPN, Jemele Hill, agrees with me here that I bring it up. I honestly want to know.

I love football. Seriously, when the Pack are playing, there's little else I can focus on. It's a great game. But why is the draft so popular? Even if a team has a draft that is just ridiculously "good", they end up like the '09 Jets: not SB champs. It's not football, it's not even really getting ready to play football. It's picking 1-7 or more dudes, half of which may not make the final roster, to be a part of a 53-man roster who more than likely won't end up doing anything that year anyway.

I'm not saying I don't pay attention to it. It's just when there is NBA and NHL playoffs going on, actual sporting events, and every bit of coverage you see is of a sport months away from actually beginning... it just bothers me a little.

I'd like to know some of your guy's reasoning for liking it though.

I love the NFL, but I'm with you Caj, I'd much rather watch NHL/NBA playoffs over the NFL draft, which is pretty boring, imo

[Nice Guy Eddie]

Thrilled the Raiders were able to get Derek Carr in the second round.......that's an absolute steal. I'm also thrilled that the Raiders did not draft Michael Sam.

[Tony208]

Nfl draft represents hope.

[VictoryAtNight]

Lets....Go....Browns!

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by Nice Guy Eddie

Thrilled the Raiders were able to get Derek Carr in the second round.......that's an absolute steal. I'm also thrilled that the Raiders did not draft Michael Sam.

I'm also glad they didn't. Raider fans don't strike me as the most tolerant types. It wouldn't have been a good place for him.

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by Moviefan1203

That's my problem with it as well. No one can deny his courage to come out prior to the draft, but the thing is NFL scouts already knew about it. It wasn't a secret in the football world. But the fact of the matter is Michael Sam likely isn't going to be a very good NFL player. Unless he can find a niche as a strong special teamer, he is unlikely to make the Rams final roster. He is someone that was very productive at the collegiate level, but he really struggled in both the NFL Combine as well as his pro day. His numbers were quite poor. The media attention is going way overboard. I could understand it if he was projected to be a good NFL player, but he isn't. There are obviously gay players in the NFL that are household names. Michael Sam isn't going to be an NFL star. With the attention this is getting, you'd think Aaron Rodgers came out.

He's the first openly gay player in NFL history. I'd say the coverage is warranted and in fact welcomed by the NFL. Honestly, aside from a a tiny number of extreme, hardcore NFL fans who gives two shits about round 5-7 of the draft? Most football fans have never heard of the guys drafted in those rounds and few will amount to much. Michael Sam, successful or not in the NFL, made the final round of the draft relevant to most ordinary people.

[Moviefan1203]

Originally Posted by cajmoyper

I'm not trying to start anything here. It's only because it seems one of the most level-headed analysts on ESPN, Jemele Hill, agrees with me here that I bring it up. I honestly want to know.

I love football. Seriously, when the Pack are playing, there's little else I can focus on. It's a great game. But why is the draft so popular? Even if a team has a draft that is just ridiculously "good", they end up like the '09 Jets: not SB champs. It's not football, it's not even really getting ready to play football. It's picking 1-7 or more dudes, half of which may not make the final roster, to be a part of a 53-man roster who more than likely won't end up doing anything that year anyway.

I'm not saying I don't pay attention to it. It's just when there is NBA and NHL playoffs going on, actual sporting events, and every bit of coverage you see is of a sport months away from actually beginning... it just bothers me a little.

I'd like to know some of your guy's reasoning for liking it though.

I can't speak for everyone, but I'm a football junkie. I was glued to my TV all weekend long. For my household, it's an event. You take off work on Friday so you can enjoy the whole experience of everything Thursday night into the early hours of Friday morning. I have a great passion for the sport of football that no other sport can come close to. I love all aspects of it.

[DoubleDownAgain]

Originally Posted by returnofthemack

Not really. I never said the nfl doesn't have the right to suspend him. Clearly they do (and I never said anything otherwise). I'm saying it isn't right. Big difference.

Again, just because the nfl has a set of rules it does not make them fair or right. Let say your dentist prescribed you Vicodin after some dental work and your union agreed that if you take that medicine for any reason your will be suspended for a year from your job. While you technically violated the rules it doesn't make it right or fair. Now I'm not saying that is the case for josh gordon. No one knows what the circumstances were that caused Gordon to fail except for Gordon himself. But maybe that should matter.

Anything else I have to say on the subject would just be me repeating myself so I'm done. If you feel like you need to catch me in some kind of intellectual trap go for it.

Trap? You said it wasn't fair then you said you never said that.

Originally Posted by returnofthemack

Yes it isn't right or fair that they will suspend him over weed and Codiene.

Disagree with pretty much everything you've said. It's on Gordan. Maybe he has issues that lead him to take the drugs, but in the end it was his decision. Every other NFL player has to abide to the same rules. I hope he takes the time off to deal with any issues he may have and get his career on track.

If you want to discuss what drugs/supplements the NFL should test for, that is another matter. I'd have no problem if they stopped testing for marijuana.

[DoubleDownAgain]

Originally Posted by Moviefan1203

I can't speak for everyone, but I'm a football junkie. I was glued to my TV all weekend long. For my household, it's an event. You take off work on Friday so you can enjoy the whole experience of everything Thursday night into the early hours of Friday morning. I have a great passion for the sport of football that no other sport can come close to. I love all aspects of it.

I don't watch much, if any, college football, so I watch it to get up to speed with the newest Dolphin players, as well as for the other teams.

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by DoubleDownAgain

Trap? You said it wasn't fair then you said you never said that.


Disagree with pretty much everything you've said. It's on Gordan. Maybe he has issues that lead him to take the drugs, but in the end it was his decision. Every other NFL player has to abide to the same rules. I hope he takes the time off to deal with any issues he may have and get his career on track.

If you want to discuss what drugs/supplements the NFL should test for, that is another matter. I'd have no problem if they stopped testing for marijuana.

That isn't so much the issue I have in this case. It's the severity of the punishment. I can see suspending someone a full season for testing positive multiple times for performance enhancers or hardcore drugs like heroin or cocaine. But it seems like the NFL is treating extremely minor drugs like codeine and weed the same as hardcore drugs. The punishment of a year long suspension doesn't fit the crime.

[UK_fan_05]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

That isn't so much the issue I have in this case. It's the severity of the punishment. I can see suspending someone a full season for testing positive multiple times for performance enhancers or hardcore drugs like heroin or cocaine. But it seems like the NFL is treating extremely minor drugs like codeine and weed the same as hardcore drugs. The punishment of a year long suspension doesn't fit the crime.

Personally, I don't consider any drug minor, a drug is a drug to me but this isn't the place for that discussion.

I agree that the NFL needs to rework their punishment system to stay current with the times but the players know what the current system consists of. If they choose to smoke weed, knowing they can get drug tested, that is on them. Gordon knew what the punishment could be for failing a drug test and he decided to chance it. They know what can happen so I nor anyone else should feel sorry for them. They get what they deserve in this situation.

[sycro]

Use weed, miss a season. Use steroids, miss 4 games and make the Pro Bowl.

[returnofthemack]

Originally Posted by DoubleDownAgain

Trap? You said it wasn't fair then you said you never said that.


Disagree with pretty much everything you've said. It's on Gordan. Maybe he has issues that lead him to take the drugs, but in the end it was his decision. Every other NFL player has to abide to the same rules. I hope he takes the time off to deal with any issues he may have and get his career on track.

If you want to discuss what drugs/supplements the NFL should test for, that is another matter. I'd have no problem if they stopped testing for marijuana.

Do you not even realize that we essentially agree? Are you just tryin to agrue for arguements sake?

Yes I said it isn't right or fair and I stand by that. I never said that I didn't say that. Please go back and read what I posted. Show me exactly where I said I didn't say that. If you can find it I will mail you a check for $1000.

You my fellow forum member made an assumption on what you thought I meant wheni said it wasn't right or fair by saying this

Originally Posted by DoubleDownAgain

They don't need a mandate from the federal government. His union signed a collectively bargained agreement with the NFL. He is subject to that agreement, plain and simple. As far as proving anything, it isn't the responsibility of the NFL to do so. He failed the drug test. Even if he was prescribed the drug that doesn't mean anything if it isn't stated in the CBA. Unless the CBA violates any local, state or federal laws than the NFL is free to issue punishment based upon the agreed upon CBA.

1. never said they needed a federal mandate.

2.never said he wasn't subject to the punishments laid out by the CBA.

3. Never said it was the NFLs responsibility to prove anything.

So when I replied to your statement by saying I never agreed to anything otherwise that's exactly what I meant. Your statement literally says nothing that I don't completely agree with you upon.

So what is your point again? Oh yeah that a rule is a rule and no matter what all rules are right and fair. Well if that is in fact your point then good for you. But you never mentioned it to me until after our initial exchange. now your telling me that I first said it isn't right and fair and then I turned around and said I never said that it wasn't right or fair.

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by UK_fan_05

Personally, I don't consider any drug minor, a drug is a drug to me but this isn't the place for that discussion.

I agree that the NFL needs to rework their punishment system to stay current with the times but the players know what the current system consists of. If they choose to smoke weed, knowing they can get drug tested, that is on them. Gordon knew what the punishment could be for failing a drug test and he decided to chance it. They know what can happen so I nor anyone else should feel sorry for them. They get what they deserve in this situation.

So alcohol and caffeine are as bad as cocaine or heroin? Because all are in fact drugs, just so you know.

[DoubleDownAgain]

Originally Posted by returnofthemack

[Show spoiler]Do you not even realize that we essentially agree? Are you just tryin to agrue for arguements sake?

Yes I said it isn't right or fair and I stand by that. I never said that I didn't say that. Please go back and read what I posted. Show me exactly where I said I didn't say that. If you can find it I will mail you a check for $1000.

You my fellow forum member made an assumption on what you thought I meant wheni said it wasn't right or fair by saying this

1. never said they needed a federal mandate.

2.never said he wasn't subject to the punishments laid out by the CBA.

3. Never said it was the NFLs responsibility to prove anything.

So when I replied to your statement by saying I never agreed to anything otherwise that's exactly what I meant. Your statement literally says nothing that I don't completely agree with you upon.

So what is your point again? Oh yeah that a rule is a rule and no matter what all rules are right and fair. Well if that is in fact your point then good for you. But you never mentioned it to me until after our initial exchange. now your telling me that I first said it isn't right and fair and then I turned around and said I never said that it wasn't right or fair.

I'm confused All I know is what I posted, you said it wasn't fair, then you said you never said that. It's all good, I wasn't trying to trap you or anything of the sort just posted on what I saw your post.

[DoubleDownAgain]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

So alcohol and caffeine are as bad as cocaine or heroin? Because all are in fact drugs, just so you know.

But those aren't in the CBA. The players agreed to the provisions in the CBA.

[UK_fan_05]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

So alcohol and caffeine are as bad as cocaine or heroin? Because all are in fact drugs, just so you know.

I don't drink alcohol and I haven't had anything with caffeine in it in years so sure lump them in there I don't care.

[R3P0]

Originally Posted by UK_fan_05

I don't drink alcohol and I haven't had anything with caffeine in it in years so sure lump them in there I don't care.

How much tea do you drink? I hate to break it to you there are certain things labeled illegal drugs that should not be. Marijuana is one of them.

[XLIV]

Originally Posted by The Nice Guy

Nooooooooooooo. Had my fingers crossed that Cooks would still be available at 28.