I guess you never know... If Logan Thomas can go in the 4th, Bridge could go in the 3rd.
Logan Thomas is seriously horrible. Idk what the Cardinals were thinking with that one. Could've taken Murray or Mettenberger, and those would've been way better options.
I've been saying for a year that the only chance of Logan Thomas having a successful career is if he becomes a tight end. He's got great size and speed but his arm and decision making have never been good. It seemed like he regressed as a passer during his time at Virginia Tech, and he clearly hasn't improved much in the pros when he wasn't good enough to start over Ryan Lindley. He's 6'6, 250, and can run a 4.6 40, and seems like he could be a Jimmy Graham type of receiving tight end.
If the Vikings trade AP, what do you think they can get for him? (in terms of draft picks)
I would hope for a 2&3 or a 2&4
No chance they could get anything near that. Even if he didn't have any baggage no team would give up near that for a 30-year-old running back. He'd also have to agree to a new contract with whoever he was traded to because no team would pay him nearly $13 million for the upcoming season and almost $15 million in 2016. This pretty much gives him all the leverage to choose where he'd get traded to, which would severely limit his value. I'd say maybe the Vikings could get a 4th, and even that's iffy. He could just decide he's not willing to renegotiate his deal which would likely force the Vikings to eventually release him.
No chance they could get anything near that. Even if he didn't have any baggage no team would give up near that for a 30-year-old running back. He'd also have to agree to a new contract with whoever he was traded to because no team would pay him nearly $13 million for the upcoming season and almost $15 million in 2016. This pretty much gives him all the leverage to choose where he'd get traded to, which would severely limit his value. I'd say maybe the Vikings could get a 4th, and even that's iffy. He could just decide he's not willing to renegotiate his deal which would likely force the Vikings to eventually release him.
I don't think his age applies as much as other players cause he's a superfreak. I see him having very little leverage, especially since he's suspended until April 15th, at the earliest. He could hold out after that, but he hasn't played in a year and is very eager to get back out there. If all the Vikings are offered is a 4th, I think they'll let him play this year under his current contract.
I don't think his age applies as much as other players cause he's a superfreak. I see him having very little leverage, especially since he's suspended until April 15th, at the earliest. He could hold out after that, but he hasn't played in a year and is very eager to get back out there. If all the Vikings are offered is a 4th, I think they'll let him play this year under his current contract.
Age matters for all running backs because few are effective into their 30s. I don't see how he's a superfreak. He's a very good back but he's had injury problems and has only played a 16 game season once in the last five years. He has all the trade leverage because no team is going to trade for him without a new contract, so he completely can decide where he goes. He could say he'll only renegotiate for a team in Texas or a playoff team and that knocks it down to just a couple suitors. He isn't happy with the lack of support from the Vikings but he's not demanding a trade at this time and if they're willing to pay him $13 million he's not going to hold out.
The decaying relationship between Vikings star running back Adrian Peterson and the organization took a dramatic turn during the combine last week in downtown Indianapolis: Peterson's agent, Ben Dogra, had to be separated from a member of Minnesota's front office during a heated verbal altercation about the former Pro Bowler, according to numerous sources with knowledge of the situation.
According to the sources, Dogra engaged in a heated exchange with Vikings vice president of football operations Rob Brzezinski during which the agent made it clear that Peterson would never play there again. The incident took place during a time when outside parties were in the vicinity. Finally, former Tampa Bay general manager Mark Dominik intervened, separating the men and diffusing the escalating tension, sources said.
The Vikings did not respond to requests to comment for this report. Dogra did not respond to numerous messages. Dominik has not commented as well.
Peterson, who is signed through 2017 and set to make $13 million in 2015, has no intention of playing again for the Vikings, sources said. Peterson, sources said, lost faith and trust in the franchise after a tumultuous ordeal over his child abuse charges that resulted in him missing nearly the entire season on the Commissioner's Exempt List while his legal situation played out.
“He will never play another game for the Vikings,” said one person close to the player. “It's over.”
While it is not unusual for tempers to rise during the combine, the scope of this clash – taking place regarding an active personnel situation with a star of Peterson's caliber – in that setting is certainly well outside the norm. It crystallizes the simmering friction between the camps, according to those familiar with the divide between the sides. It came at a time when Vikings team officials continued to make unified, sweeping statements during media sessions at the combine about how committed they are to Peterson's return. (Though Vikings general manager Rick Spielman refused to discuss Peterson's contract with us in the below video, an outlier among running back compensation, and whether the team would continue to pay the player such a steep salary following his off-field woes.)
Peterson and the NFLPA have taken their case against the NFL's discipline to a federal court, and, unless the court was to intervene, Peterson currently cannot be reinstated to the league until April 15 at the earliest. Peterson's camp has every intention to hasten his trade or release from Minnesota, and this situation could continue to flare between now and then.
Peterson, 29, has spent his entire illustrious career with the Vikings since being selected seventh overall in 2007, racking up rushing titles and becoming the face of that franchise and one of the more decorated players in Vikings history. But relationships began to erode after the team initially announced he would return to the Vikings following his indictment on child abuse charges in Texas, but then, in concert with the league, ended up brokering a deal that put Peterson on the exempt list – and paid in full for the duration of the season.
After all of the public and media backlash the Vikings absorbed for their initial handling of the Peterson case -- including having a top sponsor, Radisson, pull out -- some believe the team will not be inclined to go through a prolonged fight with Peterson, when some in the organization maintain concerns over his contract and off-field activities. Trading or cutting Peterson results in no significant cap ramifications, and in fact would save the team $13M in cash and $13M in cap space. They managed to run the ball decently without him last season and had a strong showing overall, finishing 7-9 with rookie quarterback Teddy Bridgewater and engendering positive vibes and hopes for the future.
The longer this goes on, and the more uncomfortable it is, the Vikings may have no choice but to part with the player. Peterson's contract – with a whopping $48M remaining over the next three years – is an anomaly for running backs and one no team may want to take on. Peterson would seemingly be more inclined to take less elsewhere.
Cowboys owner Jerry Jones and Peterson have mutual admiration, and Peterson makes his home in Texas. Further, the Cowboys have been linked with the running back in NFL circles for quite some time, though sources said a coupling of the two would hardly be a slam dunk. One source suggested the Washington Redskins as a dark-horse potential suitor for him.
Even at a time when the money has been drying up for running backs, Peterson's exploits, including a 2,000-yard season, would make him attractive to several teams. There would be a market for him, despite his status with the league's personal conduct policy.
In the meantime, the Vikings could face more uncomfortable questions about the running back's future with the club as it becomes increasingly clear Peterson is committed to moving on from them.
The Vikings are going to get hosed in this situation. They will have to trade a HOF running back who probably has a highly productive year or two left in him and get very little in return. It's a shame.
The Vikings are going to get hosed in this situation. They will have to trade a HOF running back who probably has a highly productive year or two left in him and get very little in return. It's a shame.
Peterson was not that impressive last year, will have to deal with the emotional fallout from all this and is also on the wrong side of 30 with quite a bit of tread on his tires. Minnesota needs to draft a 1st round RB and not look back.
Peterson was not that impressive last year, will have to deal with the emotional fallout from all this and is also on the wrong side of 30 with quite a bit of tread on his tires. Minnesota needs to draft a 1st round RB and not look back.
I agree. Isn't this draft pretty deep at RB? Cut bait, I say!
Peterson was not that impressive last year, will have to deal with the emotional fallout from all this and is also on the wrong side of 30 with quite a bit of tread on his tires. Minnesota needs to draft a 1st round RB and not look back.
He played in one game last year. Whoever lands him will get a RB who still has some gas left in the tank. I imagine he feels like he has a lot to prove with all the doubters he has acquired. He'll be running angry.
Peterson was not that impressive last year, will have to deal with the emotional fallout from all this and is also on the wrong side of 30 with quite a bit of tread on his tires. Minnesota needs to draft a 1st round RB and not look back.
I don't think they need to use a 1st round pick on a running back (especially as early as they pick), Matt Asiata and Jerick McKinnon weren't bad last year. They have bigger needs on the offensive line and need a #1 receiver. At #11 I'd take Brandon Scherff if he falls to them or take the top receiver available.
Peterson was not that impressive last year, will have to deal with the emotional fallout from all this and is also on the wrong side of 30 with quite a bit of tread on his tires. Minnesota needs to draft a 1st round RB and not look back.
He played in one game last year. Whoever lands him will get a RB who still has some gas left in the tank. I imagine he feels like he has a lot to prove with all the doubters he has acquired. He'll be running angry.
Totally agree. I would not want to play against an Adrian Peterson team next year.
Todd McShay said he's got Jameis Winston ranked as his second-best quarterback prospect in the last 10 years, behind only Andrew Luck.
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Originally Posted by Moviefan1203
If McShay says it, it must be true.
I LOL'd when I read this.... He was so right on Jamarcus Russel
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"I can't remember being in such awe of a quarterback in my decade of attending combines and pro days. Russell's passing session was the most impressive of all the pro days I've been to. His footwork for such a big quarterback was surprising. He was nimble in his dropbacks, rolling out and throwing on the run. The ball just explodes out of his hands."
-- ESPN's Todd McShay
I really wonder how much of these top QBs that have flopped have done so because they were drafted by terrible organizations that didn't know how to develop a QB. These top drafted QBs are being taken by very bad teams. Every once and a while, a well run organization falls (see Indy with Andrew Luck) and grabs one, but otherwise, it's the Raiders, Bills, Bucs, Redskins, Browns, Jets, etc picking these kids up and failing them as much as they fail the team.
To be fair McShay wasn't the only one that had that opinion at Russell's pro day. Mike Mayock said Russell had the best pro day he's ever seen, although Mayock also said he wouldn't use a first round pick on Russell because it was clear he didn't care about football.
Todd McShay said he's got Jameis Winston ranked as his second-best quarterback prospect in the last 10 years, behind only Andrew Luck.
And I'd actually agree with him on that. Think about it... There haven't really been big time prospects in the last ten years other than Luck.
We won one too many games. It's a shame. Now we are probably going to end up with Mariota and waste another four seasons.
And the reason I'm now thinking we take a QB no matter what... A rookie QB gives Whiz and Webster (worst GM in the league) an excuse for sucking again and more than likely buys them at least another season.
If Winston is somehow there, I'm all for it. If not, we have to take Williams or trade back with someone dumb enough to give us a ton of picks.
Gabbert was always horrible... Even in college. Idk what anyone saw in him. I remember him being mocked #1 overall at one point and laughed at that hard.
When he was still available at #8 for us back in 2011, I cringed hoping we'd just take my guy Robert Quinn. At least Locker wasn't as embarrassing as Gabbert, but it was still a horrible pick that I screamed at the TV about.
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