LG's new OLED TVs

[Moonlight Shadow]

I'm tired of discussing indisputable facts as if they are a matter of opinion.
Currently 4K 3D doesn't exist. PERIOD. So if somebody has a giant TV and cares about 4K resolution he will experience quality loss. Otherwise 4K would be a sham. That's basic logic and I really don't know what else I can say.

Whether you or I or some reviewer cares about the resolution loss is another story and that is completely subjective.
Personally I care for 4K even less than for 3D because I don't like to have a TV larger than 55'. I'm watching lots of old movies that are not available in HD and they look bad on larger screens.
I don't dispute that 4K OLED have a great 3D picture, I'm sure I would be happy with it too. It just irked me that somebody wrote that 3D looks even better than 2D on an OLED TV
I guess it's my INTJ personality that can't leave factually wrong statements uncommented ;-)
I'm outta here (for now).

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Moonlight Shadow

It does on my LG OLED. Even my wife can see the difference and that's saying a lot ;-)

It's called "placebo effect"

[Eny-]

Originally Posted by Moonlight Shadow

I'm tired of discussing indisputable facts as if they are a matter of opinion.
Currently 4K 3D doesn't exist. PERIOD. So if somebody has a giant TV and cares about 4K resolution he will experience quality loss. Otherwise 4K would be a sham. That's basic logic and I really don't know what else I can say.

Whether you or I or some reviewer cares about the resolution loss is another story and that is completely subjective.
Personally I care for 4K even less than for 3D because I don't like to have a TV larger than 55'. I'm watching lots of old movies that are not available in HD and they look bad on larger screens.
I don't dispute that 4K OLED have a great 3D picture, I'm sure I would be happy with it too. It just irked me that somebody wrote that 3D looks even better than 2D on an OLED TV
I guess it's my INTJ personality that can't leave factually wrong statements uncommented ;-)
I'm outta here (for now).

There is no resolution loss on a passive 4K set.

On a 1080p set each eye is only seeing 1,920x540, so half-res vertical.

On a 4k set each eye is seeing 3,840x1,080, meaning that it is displaying the full hd picture and uprezzing the horizontal resolution.

If you want you can say that there is resolution loss but that only applies to the lack of uprezzing the vertical resolution and that would be incorrect since it's displaying the original resolution of the media.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Eny-

There is no resolution loss on a passive 4K set.

On a 1080p set each eye is only seeing 1,920x540, so half-res vertical.

On a 4k set each eye is seeing 3,840x1,080, meaning that it is displaying the full hd picture and uprezzing the horizontal resolution.

If you want you can say that there is resolution loss but that only applies to the lack of uprezzing the vertical resolution and that would be incorrect since it's displaying the original resolution of the media.

For those few of us who still love 3D the new Oled line is ideal

[vinnie97]

Originally Posted by Moonlight Shadow

I'm tired of discussing indisputable facts as if they are a matter of opinion.
Currently 4K 3D doesn't exist. PERIOD. So if somebody has a giant TV and cares about 4K resolution he will experience quality loss. Otherwise 4K would be a sham. That's basic logic and I really don't know what else I can say.

Such a weird argument. Since there is no 4K 3D content, there is no way for there to be any loss with the only 3D content we have available today, which only comes in 1080p. Until such day arrives that there is a medium that transmits 3D in 4K, this "problem" is a red herring.

Whether you or I or some reviewer cares about the resolution loss is another story and that is completely subjective.
Personally I care for 4K even less than for 3D because I don't like to have a TV larger than 55'. I'm watching lots of old movies that are not available in HD and they look bad on larger screens.
I don't dispute that 4K OLED have a great 3D picture, I'm sure I would be happy with it too. It just irked me that somebody wrote that 3D looks even better than 2D on an OLED TV

I will say the same, and I'm not afraid to admit it either. It once again depends on your frame of reference (a 1080p or 4K OLED) followed by your visual perception.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

Such a weird argument. Since there is no 4K 3D content, there is no way for there to be any loss with the only 3D content we have available today, which only comes in 1080p.

I will say the same, and I'm not afraid to admit it either. It once again depends on your frame of reference (a 1080p or 4K OLED) followed by your visual perception.

What has been explained is that your 3D blurays will look improved on a 4k oled panel

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[PRO-630HD]

Originally Posted by Eny-

There is no resolution loss on a passive 4K set.

On a 1080p set each eye is only seeing 1,920x540, so half-res vertical.

On a 4k set each eye is seeing 3,840x1,080, meaning that it is displaying the full hd picture and uprezzing the horizontal resolution.

If you want you can say that there is resolution loss but that only applies to the lack of uprezzing the vertical resolution and that would be incorrect since it's displaying the original resolution of the media.

+1 This isn't rocket science man! If you are getting 1080p per eye I fail to see how you have a loss in resolution? 1080 active displays give 1080p per eye and so does any 4K display. Some people argue just to argue. All reviews have pointed to the fact this is the best 3D has ever looked on a consumer display.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

+1 This isn't rocket science man! If you are getting 1080p per eye I fail to see how you have a loss in resolution? 1080 active displays give 1080p per eye and so does any 4K display. Some people argue just to argue. All reviews have pointed to the fact this is the best 3D has ever looked on a consumer display.

I think the confusion stems from the misconception that a 4k panel only offers advantages with 4k content but works just like a non-4k panel with 3D content

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[bubba-b]

might be in the market soon for a new panel and have only did a little homework on oled.

i know it's still a relatively new tech (are we in the second or third generation?)

had a few questions i thought i'd pose to the cats here that are in the know.

1. what upgrades/future tech needs to happen if/when oled is truly considered a 'kuro killer' or are we chasing rainbows?

2. have most/all the glitches that accompanied the earlier releases been thwarted?

3. lg appears to be the only game in town; at least here in the states. have there been any rumblings about other manufacturers taking a shot at lg's crown?

mind you, i need to convince 'the boss' about this upgrade so any 'simple' answers that i can forward is appreciated. i don't think me talking endlessly about 'nits' and 'HDR' will win the day.

thanks for the help!

[ray0414]

Philips and Elsworth are releasing oleds this year also.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by bubba-b

might be in the market soon for a new panel and have only did a little homework on oled.

i know it's still a relatively new tech (are we in the second or third generation?)

had a few questions i thought i'd pose to the cats here that are in the know.

1. what upgrades/future tech needs to happen if/when oled is truly considered a 'kuro killer' or are we chasing rainbows?

2. have most/all the glitches that accompanied the earlier releases been thwarted?

3. lg appears to be the only game in town; at least here in the states. have there been any rumblings about other manufacturers taking a shot at lg's crown?

mind you, i need to convince 'the boss' about this upgrade so any 'simple' answers that i can forward is appreciated. i don't think me talking endlessly about 'nits' and 'HDR' will win the day.

thanks for the help!

Oled is better than LED...That's all 'your boss' gotta know

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by bubba-b

might be in the market soon for a new panel and have only did a little homework on oled.

i know it's still a relatively new tech (are we in the second or third generation?)

had a few questions i thought i'd pose to the cats here that are in the know.

1. what upgrades/future tech needs to happen if/when oled is truly considered a 'kuro killer' or are we chasing rainbows?

2. have most/all the glitches that accompanied the earlier releases been thwarted?

3. lg appears to be the only game in town; at least here in the states. have there been any rumblings about other manufacturers taking a shot at lg's crown?

mind you, i need to convince 'the boss' about this upgrade so any 'simple' answers that i can forward is appreciated. i don't think me talking endlessly about 'nits' and 'HDR' will win the day.

thanks for the help!

Colour accuracy for the HDR needs reigning in more. Motion resolution issues need to be cleared. Input lag isn't a concern for most but me personally I game so want it to drop under 20ms. Certainly not chasing rainbows.

LG is the only major manufacturer and has practically a monopoly for the market but also reasonably priced.

[Robert Zohn]

OLED motion resolution can be maximized with the proper settings to be as good as the very best LCD/LED and typically the new 4K OLEDs can be set-up to be a tad better than the best LCD/LED TVs.

For all those interested in a 4K OLED today is the last day of LG's $500 instant rebate!

[RockyIII]

Any of you guys tested out Dolby Vision yet?

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[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

OLED motion resolution can be maximized with the proper settings to be as good as the very best LCD/LED and typically the new 4K OLEDs can be set-up to be a tad better than the best LCD/LED TVs.

For all those interested in a 4K OLED today is the last day of LG's $500 instant rebate!

But is it at the expense of causing motion interpolation soap opera effects? All the reviews including HDTVtest.co.uk say that it's still lagging behind say what Plasma managed and more akin to LCDs

[Robert Zohn]

Yes, but with care in the settings you can find a happy medium of improved motion resolution with little to no soap opera effect. With all motion interpolation shut off the 2016 4K OLED TVs are as good as the best LCD/LEDs and likely slightly better as the OLED pixel switching is much faster than LCDs can do.

No OLED or LCD can deliver the motion resolution that PDP had.

[RockyIII]

I personally like SOE on my panel. Things look more organic and alive with frame interpolation at max level

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[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Yes, but with care in the settings you can find a happy medium of improved motion resolution with little to no soap opera effect. With all motion interpolation shut off the 2016 4K OLED TVs are as good as the best LCD/LEDs and likely slightly better as the OLED pixel switching is much faster than LCDs can do.

No OLED or LCD can deliver the motion resolution that PDP had.

Thanks for the reply Robert but regarding your final line. Do you mean as it relates to all currently released models of OLED or it will remain this way inherently for the technology?

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I personally like SOE on my panel. Things look more organic and alive with frame interpolation at max level

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It can be considered a choice to display it with the SOE but many don't because they also figure it goes against artistic integrity. Films in Hollywood made in 24p and displayed as such with the aesthetic it gives rather than more SOE and the other things.

[punisher]

LOL..Rocky III and his SOE.......he just doesn't get it...

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by punisher

LOL..Rocky III and his SOE.......he just doesn't get it...

What dont I get exactly? That we all buy our displays to set them up to our likings? Hey, if you were the type who likes to watch his movies all in B&W and always set color to 0, I wouldnt criticize you for it. Your TV settings must please YOU, not the rest of the world