LG's new OLED TVs

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by NARMAK

Thanks for the reply Robert but regarding your final line. Do you mean as it relates to all currently released models of OLED or it will remain this way inherently for the technology?



It can be considered a choice to display it with the SOE but many don't because they also figure it goes against artistic integrity. Films in Hollywood made in 24p and displayed as such with the aesthetic it gives rather than more SOE and the other things.

All in choice... 24fps bores me

[punisher]

glad I cannot see his posts since he is on my ignore list...lol.....

SOE:
http://imgur.com/gallery/DUsbU

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

All in choice... 24fps bores me

Well. As I said, it's preference and 24p for me gives a more pleasant aesthetic to watch a movie in and it's not as 'fake' looking as watching a SOE when you see how many special effects there are.

I don't my SOE when it's an actual soap I'm watching and that's the intended look. I prefer to have the artistic integrity preserved typically BUT I also think they tried HFR for Hobbit movies and I never had a chance to see how that looked. Avatar sequels may be in it and might get to but not sure if i'll prefer that version but luckily they had 24p for Hobbit too. So both options were authentic.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by NARMAK

Well. As I said, it's preference and 24p for me gives a more pleasant aesthetic to watch a movie in and it's not as 'fake' looking as watching a SOE when you see how many special effects there are.

I don't my SOE when it's an actual soap I'm watching and that's the intended look. I prefer to have the artistic integrity preserved typically BUT I also think they tried HFR for Hobbit movies and I never had a chance to see how that looked. Avatar sequels may be in it and might get to but not sure if i'll prefer that version but luckily they had 24p for Hobbit too. So both options were authentic.

Then you will love the new Oled panels, just set de-blur at 10 and de-judder at 0 and you get the best movie motion in 24fps

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Yes, but with care in the settings you can find a happy medium of improved motion resolution with little to no soap opera effect. With all motion interpolation shut off the 2016 4K OLED TVs are as good as the best LCD/LEDs and likely slightly better as the OLED pixel switching is much faster than LCDs can do.

No OLED or LCD can deliver the motion resolution that PDP had.

Originally Posted by NARMAK

Thanks for the reply Robert but regarding your final line. Do you mean as it relates to all currently released models of OLED or it will remain this way inherently for the technology?

It can be considered a choice to display it with the SOE but many don't because they also figure it goes against artistic integrity. Films in Hollywood made in 24p and displayed as such with the aesthetic it gives rather than more SOE and the other things.

As long as OLED uses the same drive scheme as all LCD displays use, "Sample/Hold" with no black frame insertion we'll basically have the same motion resolution restriction. PDP used Pulse Width Modulation that naturally created sub-fields that effetely made the frame rate 600fps.

With this said you can easily avoid all of the SOE on any OLED TV if you shut off the De-Jutter and De-Blur settings.

And you can improve motion resolution on any video content (not film based) by adjusting the De-Jutter/De-Blur settings to add frames in-between the native 120Hz and create a very smooth and accurate image with very good motion resolution. I would suggest using these settings on fast moving sports content.

Hope this helps.

[RockyIII]

Based on the huge feedback from Oled users, it seems that de-blur at 10 should be a constant no matter the content. The only thing that may vary is de-judder-depending on how smooth and how much SOE you want to add.

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

As long as OLED uses the same drive scheme as all LCD displays use, "Sample/Hold" with no black frame insertion we'll basically have the same motion resolution restriction. PDP used Pulse Width Modulation that naturally created sub-fields that effetely made the frame rate 600fps.

With this said you can easily avoid all of the SOE on any OLED TV if you shut off the De-Jutter and De-Blur settings.

And you can improve motion resolution on any video content (not film based) by adjusting the De-Jutter/De-Blur settings to add frames in-between the native 120Hz and create a very smooth and accurate image with very good motion resolution. I would suggest using these settings on fast moving sports content.

Hope this helps.

Thanks for the reply Robert.

I figured it was the sample and hold method causing the issues given OLED was supposed to have instantaneous response on pixels. Samsung are the only ones I know of having made a very big stride on LCDs with their tech to address this if applied to OLEDs but I think OLEDs could potentially change how the panels are drive in the future to perfect motion resolutions.

When I first read about OLEDs, I always assumed when the tech matured it could do the absolute best of what Plasma and LCDs did. Given how many generations it took to get to the Kuro and VT60s, I'd wager we're gonna have to wait 2-3 more and see what manufacturers like LG and others do with the tech.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by NARMAK

Thanks for the reply Robert.

I figured it was the sample and hold method causing the issues given OLED was supposed to have instantaneous response on pixels. Samsung are the only ones I know of having made a very big stride on LCDs with their tech to address this if applied to OLEDs but I think OLEDs could potentially change how the panels are drive in the future to perfect motion resolutions.

When I first read about OLEDs, I always assumed when the tech matured it could do the absolute best of what Plasma and LCDs did. Given how many generations it took to get to the Kuro and VT60s, I'd wager we're gonna have to wait 2-3 more and see what manufacturers like LG and others do with the tech.

Do you feel that at this stage Samsung LED panels are still a better choice than LG Oleds?

[dobyblue]

The only thing worse than SOE on someone's TV is improper aspect ratio settings.

Find any calibrator that would leave motion estimation/motion compensation turned on so that SOE is even remotely noticeable and I'll show you a calibrator without recognized credentials (ISF, etc)

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

The only thing worse than SOE on someone's TV is improper aspect ratio settings.

Find any calibrator that would leave motion estimation/motion compensation turned on so that SOE is even remotely noticeable and I'll show you a calibrator without recognized credentials (ISF, etc)

To me SOE is more a personal preference than proper calibration. I want skin tones, grass color, sun light, as accurate as possible, but that doesnt necessarily mean that I also want motion to be 24fps necessarily. Nothing to do with calibration.
A good calibrator would let his clients choose what they personally prefer as far as motion interpolation goes

[zubinh]

Can anyone confirm that Dolby Vision AND Dolby Atmos will work if the ARC is used or if an optical cable is connected to an Atmos capable receiver?

Thank you!

[JimShaw]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

To me SOE is more a personal preference than proper calibration. I want skin tones, grass color, sun light, as accurate as possible, but that doesnt necessarily mean that I also want motion to be 24fps necessarily. Nothing to do with calibration.
A good calibrator would let his clients choose what they personally prefer as far as motion interpolation goes

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by zubinh

Can anyone confirm that Dolby Vision AND Dolby Atmos will work if the ARC is used or if an optical cable is connected to an Atmos capable receiver?

Thank you!

It will work if only through HDMI 2.0a connection

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[punisher]

don't go here Rocky..pleez don't...lol

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ole...anels-general/

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Do you feel that at this stage Samsung LED panels are still a better choice than LG Oleds?

That's not what I meant. Samsung on LCDs has the best motion handling tech from an objective PoV as compared by HDTVtest.co.uk on one of their articles and given OLEDs at present are using sample and hold like LCDs, if that remains the case, then transferring that tech over will help improve the issues seen.

OLED inherently has strengths to it that make it an overall better display objectively but it isn't without issues. Prices are still too high, brightness isn't able to reach as high as LCDs do and needs to be further improved perhaps not to match but become better.

Once the small issues are sorted out bit by hit and prices come down, OLED will become the next defacto panel format.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

To me SOE is more a personal preference than proper calibration. I want skin tones, grass color, sun light, as accurate as possible, but that doesnt necessarily mean that I also want motion to be 24fps necessarily. Nothing to do with calibration.
A good calibrator would let his clients choose what they personally prefer as far as motion interpolation goes

No they wouldn't. They would do the job you've paid them to do, which is calibrate your TV as accurately as possible, then if you want to bollocks up your settings after they leave that's your prerogative.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by NARMAK

That's not what I meant. Samsung on LCDs has the best motion handling tech from an objective PoV as compared by HDTVtest.co.uk on one of their articles and given OLEDs at present are using sample and hold like LCDs, if that remains the case, then transferring that tech over will help improve the issues seen.

OLED inherently has strengths to it that make it an overall better display objectively but it isn't without issues. Prices are still too high, brightness isn't able to reach as high as LCDs do and needs to be further improved perhaps not to match but become better.

Once the small issues are sorted out bit by hit and prices come down, OLED will become the next defacto panel format.

But basically as things are now the only factor that would make anyone choose LED over OLED is price

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[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

No they wouldn't. They would do the job you've paid them to do, which is calibrate your TV as accurately as possible, then if you want to bollocks up your settings after they leave that's your prerogative.

Enjoy your boring 24fps[emoji4]

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[Robert Zohn]

Actually 24fps properly displayed on a 120Hz display employs what is commonly called 5:5 pulldown. So the display's drive system will equally display each of the 24fps 5 times to speed up the fps to 120.

Frame interpolation is what causes the SOE. Native 120Hz display drive schemes do not use frame interpolation with film based content unless you want to add it.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Actually 24fps properly displayed on a 120Hz display employs what commonly called 5:5 pulldown. So the display's drive system will equally display each of the 24fps 5 times to speed up the fps to 120.

Frame interpolation is what causes the SOE. Native 120Hz display drive schemes do not use frame interpolation with film based content unless you want to add it.

So what you are trying to say is that both de-judder and de-blur are best be turned off for 24fps content?
I personally like the pre-setted TruMotion mode called "Clear", however enabling any of the TruMotion pre-setted modes grays out de-judder and de-blur readings so I have no idea where "Clear" mode is putting those levels at