LG's new OLED TVs

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Good question and thanks for linking to our 2014 TV Shootout results.

Color accuracy has improved very nicely with LG's OLED TVs. They now come out of the box very acculturate and a 2 point CMS adjustment dials it in very accurately.

-Robert

What are your plans for a 2015 shoot out?

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

From what I've been told OLED bulbs stabilize within 400 hours and then decay very gradually over their lifespan. After the initial 400 hours they decay very gradually and after the half life they decay faster. So if what I am told is correct the lifespan is not exponential.

Very respectfully, OLED lifespan is not an issue to be worried about.

-Robert

I hope this is in fact correct

[vinnie97]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

The (guess)timates I have seen average around 7000 hours. What signs point to 30K hours?

See this quote from an LG earnings call: http://seekingalpha.com/article/3227...nscript?page=2

Unidentified Analyst: 30,000 hours?

Hee Yeon Kim - Head, Investor Relations: 30,000, based on the blue.

Unidentified Analyst: And it is about for eight years, is it?

Hee Yeon Kim - Head, Investor Relations: 10 years, based on eight hours play per day.

So yes, blue is still a problem but the WOLED design and aging compensation software enables them to extend the life well beyond what it would be otherwise.

I wonder what Samsung operative keeps FUDding up the waters of life expectancy (one interesting fellow at AVS was trying to convince the forum that his insider friend claimed LG's OLEDs would become unwatchable at 4k hours, lol).

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by JimShaw

Interesting

Which brings to mind, if the bulbs stabilize after 400 hours, would you recommend calibrating after the 400 hour break in? Like the 150 hours for Samsung plasma and 300 hours for Panasonic's.

If so, will you be doing the break in/calibration package as you did the plasmas?

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Yes OLED needs 400 hours to become stable so the display won't drift out of calibration.

-Robert

Originally Posted by raygendreau

What are your plans for a 2015 shoot out?

No final plans yet, but since CES we've been working on selecting which displays will be tested for inclusion and what special guests and presenters we'll be inviting.

Some models we are very interested in are launching later than we'd like so by end May we'll settle on the event date.

-Robert

Originally Posted by spectre08

I hope this is in fact correct

Me too, but I do believe what I am told is correct and from a very reliable source.

-Robert

Originally Posted by vinnie97

See this quote from an LG earnings call: http://seekingalpha.com/article/3227...nscript?page=2


So yes, blue is still a problem but the WOLED design and aging compensation software enables them to extend the life well beyond what it would be otherwise.

I wonder what Samsung operative keeps FUDding up the waters of life expectancy (one interesting fellow at AVS was trying to convince the forum that his insider friend claimed LG's OLEDs would become unwatchable at 4k hours, lol).

Not sure why Hee Yeon Kim would say anything about a Blue OLED when that's the single differentiator between LG and Samsung's methodology. LG uses only White OLED so they have equal pixel aging.

-Robert

[Robert Zohn]

Here's Dr. Larry Weber's presentation at our 2014 TV Shootout explaining the differences between Samsung's RGB Strip and LG's OLED WRGB technologies.

Sorry I meant to embed the YouTube video and I cluld not figure out how to do it. If another member or Mod wants to embed it in another post please do so.

Very very interesting and informative presentation.

Enjoy,

-Robert

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

See this quote from an LG earnings call: http://seekingalpha.com/article/3227...nscript?page=2


So yes, blue is still a problem but the WOLED design and aging compensation software enables them to extend the life well beyond what it would be otherwise.

That transcript is from 2012, so not relevant to 2015 LG line up.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

No final plans yet, but since CES we've been working on selecting which displays will be tested for inclusion and what special guests and presenters we'll be inviting.

Some models we are very interested in are launching later than we'd like so by end May we'll settle on the event date.

-Robert

Not sure why Hee Yeon Kim would say anything about a Blue OLED when that's the single differentiator between LG and Samsung's methodology. LG uses only White OLED so they have equal pixel aging.

-Robert

That was an old transcript from 2012, so not relevant to current line up.


And in 2016 another shootout when we see how LG deals with HDR. Perhaps by then we will have standards from the UHD Alliance.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Here's Dr. Larry Weber's presentation at our 2014 TV Shootout explaining the differences between Samsung's RGB Strip and LG's OLED WRGB technologies.

Sorry I meant to embed the YouTube video and I cluld not figure out how to do it. If another member or Mod wants to embed it in another post please do so.

Very very interesting and informative presentation.

Enjoy,

-Robert

So, that 2014 shootout had a LG 1080P OLED competing with UHD TV's?

LG presentation: ValueElectronics 2014 HDTV Shootout, Part 4 - YouTube

[vinnie97]

Robert, he might have been misinformed. It's a little worrisome as to how this translates to his accuracy about the 30k hour figure, but they've apparently reiterated it to you, so I can't be too bothered.

Originally Posted by raygendreau

That transcript is from 2012, so not relevant to 2015 LG line up.

If anything, the lifetimes will be even greater now, unless you think LG is moving backwards. This was in anticipation of the launch of the TV that finally surfaced in summer of 2013 (the model I bought a year ago).

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

Robert, he might have been misinformed. It's a little worrisome as to how this translates to his accuracy about the 30k hour figure, but they've apparently reiterated it to you, so I can't be too bothered.

If anything, the lifetimes will be even greater now, unless you think LG is moving backwards. This was in anticipation of the launch of the TV that finally surfaced in summer of 2013 (the model I bought a year ago).

In 2012, LG marketing was telling people this: "Lifespan-When asked about panel lifespan, the marketing executives stated the panels are still undergoing accelerated testing and a specification has not yet been established."

http://hdguru.com/hands-on-lgs-55-in...-part-ii/8080/

So, in 3 years, running 24/7/365 a test panel would have a little over 26,280 hours on it.

Is LG claiming 30,000 hrs in any marketing literature for their OLEDs?

[dnlfrncs]

The 55eg9600 is shipping on amazon, was quicker then expected

Anyone know if this is an hdr model?

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by dnlfrncs

The 55eg9600 is shipping on amazon, was quicker then expected

Anyone know if this is an hdr model?

HDR models will not be available until 3rd quarter 2015 according to LG. They are waiting for the UHD Alliance to set a standard. There has also been talk about an OLED Alliance, but that will probably be LG and other manufacturers, including Sony and Panasonic which are in talks to use the LG OLED panels in the future.

[Robert Zohn]

Yes, ^^ but only the 55" EG9600 at this time. 65" EG9600s are still on target for an early April soft launch to select dealers.

Yahoo!

-Robert

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Yes, ^^ but only the 55" EG9600 at this time. 65" EG9600s are still on target for an early April soft launch to select dealers.

Yahoo!

-Robert

I wonder how long it will take Digital Trends and others to post some hands on reviews for the 55EG9600?

[Midnight Rambler]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Here's Dr. Larry Weber's presentation at our 2014 TV Shootout explaining the differences between Samsung's RGB Strip and LG's OLED WRGB technologies.

Very very interesting and informative presentation.

Enjoy,

-Robert

Man, what I wouldn't do to be able to make it to a shootout if/when Dr. Weber speaks at one again. He's got a rare combination of genius, charisma, and personality ... traits which are usually mutually exclusive of one another.

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

I wonder how long it will take Digital Trends and others to post some hands on reviews for the 55EG9600?

I hope to be the first. We started the break-in, but they need a few hindred hours to stabilize.

-Robert

Originally Posted by Midnight Rambler

Man, what I wouldn't do to be able to make it to a shootout if/when Dr. Weber speaks at one again. He's got a rare combination of genius, charisma, and personality ... traits which are usually mutually exclusive of one another.

I totally agree. Being with Dr. Weber is like experiencing a force of nature. He is a a true gem!

Hope you can make it to our 2015 TV Shootout and meet Dr. Weber in person.

-Robert

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

I hope to be the first. We started the break-in, but they need a few hindred hours to stabilize.

-Robert

You mentioned 400 hours in an earlier post. Are you running the display 24/7 ? If so, you could be ready in 16 days.

Since Amazon, Beach Camera and others are shipping these sets now, You would get a lot of attention with a thorough hands on review, but you already know that.

[Mike7300]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Yes, ^^ but only the 55" EG9600 at this time. 65" EG9600s are still on target for an early April soft launch to select dealers.

Yahoo!

-Robert

The 65 inch in April will be HDR?

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

You mentioned 400 hours in an earlier post. Are you running the display 24/7 ? If so, you could be ready in 16 days.

Since Amazon, Beach Camera and others are shipping these sets now, You would get a lot of attention with a thorough hands on review, but you already know that.

Yes 16 long days and nights and we'll be ready for calibration. Can't wait! I hate taking one out of inventory that we can't sell, but that's the sacrifice one must take to get to the truth and at lease we get to enjoy it while it's aging.

-Robert

Originally Posted by Mike7300

The 65 inch in April will be HDR?

From what I am told, yes, but I asked for reconfirmation. So stand by for my follow-up on this.

-Robert

[vinnie97]

Couldn't blame them for not committing to HDR when there are 2 or 3 emerging standards. Don't really care, it's just a gimmick to make people think it's something they need in a TV and deflect from the immediately noticeable benefits that OLED provides...IMO.