4K Movies Releases

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by stevo4264

Yeah Calm down, you are way ahead of yourself, me on the other hand, all I have done is purchase the drill bits in anticipation of Dolby Atmos

oh and the extra 42 feet of speaker cable for the extra 25 speakers

You may not need it if they use an object-based audio solution (metadata and “audio elements”) with as few as your current 5 speakers, see 4.5 on pages 23-24….
http://www.itu.int/dms_pub/itu-r/opb...2012-PDF-E.pdf

You see, there’s also been progress on the audio realm of UHD….http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/p...x#.UtV0O_RDuSp

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

...I guess I'm getting a little antsy at the apparent lack of progress...

As Esox noted previously, self-interest by individual entities can prove frustrating to the collective process towards a truly special product all in the name of *what’s best for the consumer*.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Your limited vision (literally) keeps you from wanting to try it in other situations. Other filmmakers might have different types of movies where it could come in handy. What about a sports film, like a soccer/football one? It just might keep audiences from sleeping. The racing scenes in a film like Rush could benefit from it. Animated films. Documentaries. Endless possibilities.

I just don't base a preference on a single experience when it comes to new technology. The curse of being open minded I guess.

It took me out of the film. That is a bad thing. I'm not limited in my vision at all, I am not going to lie and say oh yes it was great! Not all changes are for the best. I ain't gonna buy all this HFR crap, same as you not buying that soccer is the greatest sport on the planet watched by billions.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

HFR holds zero interest for me. Saw it once and have no desire to see it again.

Steed, I don’t think you’ve seen HFR (meaning equal or greater than 100 fps capture and display) with real world content (football, horses or frogs moving…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...se#post8549600 )

Because it’s not the same thing as previous cinematic implementations (i.e. The Hobbit), as 24fps or even 60 fps blur is not natural to our human visual system (HVS) as we see the real world with anything that moves at a decent rate. Watch the demo….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...mo#post8628879

Independent research involving about 25 observers under strict scientific testing conditions (DSCQS - http://www.ntt.co.jp/qos/qoe/eng/tec...al/01_5_5.html) found a significant value in perceived image quality for 120Hz vs 60Hz for all the test sequences.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Steed, I don’t think you’ve seen HFR (meaning equal or greater than 100 fps capture and display) with real world content (football, horses or frogs moving…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...se#post8549600 )

Because it’s not the same thing as previous cinematic implementations (i.e. The Hobbit), as 24fps or even 60 fps blur is not natural to our human visual system (HVS) as we see the real world with anything that moves at a decent rate. Watch the demo….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...mo#post8628879

Independent research involving about 25 observers under strict scientific testing conditions (DSCQS - http://www.ntt.co.jp/qos/qoe/eng/tec...al/01_5_5.html) found a significant value in perceived image quality for 120Hz vs 60Hz for all the test sequences.

My experience with HFR was so negative I struggle to get excited about it. I like blur Penton Man.

[slickkeng]

With all these newly emerging technologies such as HFR, HDR, 10 bit depth, Dolby Atmos, and even 4K 3D, what are the chances that the BDA will include these technologies in the next iteration of blu-ray? I recall reading about a committee being formed to investigate such emerging technologies for integration into the blu-ray spec. I get the strong impression that blu-ray may be the last acceptable physical format for mass media consumption and hope that the BDA has the foresight to include these technologies so as to not "fall behind: on the technology curve just a few years from now consider the fast growth of technology today. Perhaps more importantly, can BD-XL discs which handles about 125GB even be enough to handle all these technologies? Is HDMI 2.0 adequate or do we need something like displayport? Will the new codecs be adequate as well such as H.256 or VP9? I guess the BDA's silence at this years CES may be a blessing, since there seemingly is a lot of details to be worked out? I'm sure consumers are facing upgrade fatigue and so an update in the bluray spec seems to at least mitigate this a tad. Lets hope the BDA delivers and includes these emerging technologies once the specs are finalized 4K bluray.

[Penton-Man]

Welcome to the party slick. Those are exactly the questions which we have been addressing in the past 100 pages or so but more discussion and different viewpoints are always welcome....for, at times, we run out of things to say.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Welcome to the party slick...different viewpoints are always welcome....for, at times, we run out of things to say.

But there is no limit to the lengths we will go to teach -

Engineering - HDMI 2.0 (http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/04/h...channel-audio/ < actually 17.82, see https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...82#post8096614

has nothing over the data transfer rate of…..

the human body’s typical ejaculation…https://twitter.com/Fascinatingpics/...536256/photo/1

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

My experience with HFR was so negative I struggle to get excited about it. I like blur Penton Man.

I like curves....but only with women, not TVs.
Give me a minute to type up a retort to your experience.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

My experience with HFR was so negative I struggle to get excited about it. I like blur Penton Man.

Well that’s what I was trying to explain to you. You may have been jaded by your experience because it is so limited. It’s like me having a poor opinion of the vocality of the Chelsea supporters during home matches after watching them on Fox Sports. Obviously now I know better (thanks to your real world experience and enlightenment ) that Fox’s audio for capturing the ambience of the crowd must have been severely restricted.

It’s just like someone forming a knee-jerk opinion of Dolby Vision after having attended the last CES and only seeing the implementation of it by a certain Chinese television manufacturer as opposed to a certain American company based in Irvine….or, not having the access and knowledge to do your own independent testing to test the theory on a similar ecosystem in a post production suite - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...rm#post8637283

Heck, I can tell you that the display of 240Hz native looks even better than 120Hz content, but I don’t know of a general audience outside of that for attendees to professional conventions like the last IBC who have viewed it because other than NHK, I know of nobody else who has produced 240 Hz material and showed it on 50-ish inch sized flat panels which have been modified to accept the 240 Hz signal. The real hurdle is not the value of HFR (> 100 Hz) but the high cost at this time in order to bring it into consumers’ homes.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I like curves....but only with women, not TVs.
Give me a minute to type up a retort to your experience.

Well being a woman, I have plenty of curves!

Not fooling anyone is it! Was going to have a bit of a joke but forgot no one posts at this time of night. I am def a man!

Penton man, I suppose I will have to see what happens with HFR. My first instinct is that I won't like it regardless of improvements etc.. I have no issue at all watching football in HD as it stands. Blur is just natural to me and I don't really notice it.

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Well being a woman, I have plenty of curves!

Not fooling anyone is it! Was going to have a bit of a joke but forgot no one posts at this time of night. I am def a man!

Penton man, I suppose I will have to see what happens with HFR. My first instinct is that I won't like it regardless of improvements etc.. I have no issue at all watching football in HD as it stands. Blur is just natural to me and I don't really notice it.

I immediately would have called b.s. on the female claim. And, I am sure Penton still remembers mystiksuicide....

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

I immediately would have called b.s. on the female claim. And, I am sure Penton still remembers mystiksuicide....

Lol. I thought it would be funny to gauge reaction then I thought who gives a crap anyway. .

[slickkeng]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

But there is no limit to the lengths we will go to teach -

Engineering - HDMI 2.0 (http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/04/h...channel-audio/ < actually 17.82, see https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...82#post8096614

has nothing over the data transfer rate of…..

the human body’s typical ejaculation…https://twitter.com/Fascinatingpics/...536256/photo/1

Thanks for the welcome and the links - glad to see hdmi 2.0 is up to the task. I hope the BDA is seriously considering implementing the majority of the emerging technologies discussed.

[slickkeng]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Well being a woman, I have plenty of curves!

Not fooling anyone is it! Was going to have a bit of a joke but forgot no one posts at this time of night. I am def a man!

Penton man, I suppose I will have to see what happens with HFR. My first instinct is that I won't like it regardless of improvements etc.. I have no issue at all watching football in HD as it stands. Blur is just natural to me and I don't really notice it.

After two Hobbit films I have to say that I see more and more of the possibilities. Give it time and let the technology evolve and who knows.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by slickkeng

After two Hobbit films I have to say that I see more and more of the possibilities. Give it time and let the technology evolve and who knows.

I am far from alone in my dislike of HFR. Not too many people took to it If reports are to be believed.

[720pDude]

Movies where people talk???........a damned gimmick!

By-Anon....circa 1919. Lol

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by 720pDude

Movies where people talk???........a damned gimmick!

By-Anon....circa 1919. Lol

I am not implying that it is a gimmick. I was simply not impressed with my first experience of it.

Not sure what your sarcastic (in my opinion) remark is getting at.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I am far from alone in my dislike of HFR. Not too many people took to it If reports are to be believed.

There were people who disliked movies with sound, movies in color, widescreen, 3D, etc. TV stars who disliked HDTV. Technology marches forward.

[Tok]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

There were people who disliked movies with sound, movies in color, widescreen, 3D, etc. TV stars who disliked HDTV. Technology marches forward.

I'm all for tech moving forward, but the reality is that the benefit of 4K is going to be lost on most in the home environment.

I use a front projector on a 100-in and sit about 10 feet from it. DVD at that screen size to viewing distance was pretty much atrocious. BD was very much needed for larger screens, but I don't think UHD is going to be a great leap in quality like the industry wants consumers to think on displays under 100 inches with typical viewing distances.

Also the content providers are so enamored with digital sell through that I really doubt that 4K/UHD content is going to be the best it can possibly be. The CE makers and the content producers are banking on consumers just believing anything labeled 4K/UHD is better.

Blu-ray got the benefit of getting a disc that was over 5x the capacity of DVD and newer efficient codecs. I don't think BD-4K with a disc that is only 2x larger even with a newer codec is going to the be the best it can be especially if they have a higher bit depth and a larger color space. I really think they need a 200GB disc at the minimum.