4K Movies Releases

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Yeah . Pics like that fire certain synapses in my brain. It’s a double-edged sword for sure. The more you loved ‘em….the more you miss ‘em. She’s emailing this link to the CEO of her company today - http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...ndliest-722376

Imagine the commotion? That would be a entertaining day at work.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by singhcr

Yep, he did have a bit of insider information, it seems.
It is fitting that he gave out the award on behalf of all the laboratory technicians and film chemists out there.

Reminds me as to the actual location of where *the little man* (the Oscar) for that achievement resides….at least until the Museum is built.

Public Service Announcement -
For SoCal locals, especially those who live in and around the Beverly Hills area and have been to special exhibitions and screenings at the Academy’s headquarters (http://www.oscars.org/academy/buildings/index.html ) but never ventured literally 5min. walking distance west of that -
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ac...e63378f3?hl=en

Allow me to bring your attention to a vehicle for best maintaining or, as the case may be, improving your vision (e.g. cataract extraction, DMEK, DSEK, etc.) at least in regards to one’s lens, cornea or retina in order to help appreciate the spatial resolution of motion pictures, for quite close to Academy Headquarters there is the Beverly Hills office of a group of world class eye doctors, namely, some of the staff of the USC Eye Institute at 9033 Wilshire -
https://www.google.com/maps/place/90...c38c35f1?hl=en <- I think if you click on the x to remove the box in the foreground you’ll see how close to AMPAS Headquarters the office actually is.

Any personal inquiries can be handled through PM as I would be happy to provide a referral to a physician there. As an aside, the neurosurgeons are on another floor of the same building.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Imagine the commotion? That would be a entertaining day at work.

When I think of you, I primarily think of two things: dogs and football/soccer. Pertaining to the later, we must not neglect fellow enthusiast PeterTHX. One moment while I compose something deserving.

[Penton-Man]

Since World Cup 2014 finished, and is but one of many fine memories....

Belgian teen bombshell Axelle Despiegelaere lands L'Oreal model gig because of viral photo - YouTube

I presume that fellow soccer/football enthusiast Peter, like me, by now is undoubtedly going through soccer/football withdrawal while we both await the Premier League season to begin. So, in that spirit ….Bend it like Beckham….

err Samsung - http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2...rket/13573007/

At least until one’s young kids wear out the motor by watching the TV change shape continuously throughout the day for months on end.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

When I think of you, I primarily think of two things: dogs and football/soccer. Pertaining to the later, we must not neglect fellow enthusiast PeterTHX. One moment while I compose something deserving.

You can add home cinema to that list! I could swear my dog used to enjoy the movies. Having said that, he was a hard critic. He walked out of the phantom menace after ten minutes! In hindsight, I should have followed him.

[singhcr]

Going back to the Nolan speech...

Martin Scorsese's passionate defense of film

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/08/0...k-film-letter/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by singhcr

Going back to the Nolan speech...
Martin Scorsese's passionate defense of film
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/08/0...k-film-letter/

That deserves a comprehensive response. Give me some time, must find links to help make/clarify the point and give hope to those now feeling digitally oppressed.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by singhcr

Going back to the Nolan speech...
Martin Scorsese's passionate defense of film
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/08/0...k-film-letter/

I think everyone reading knows of the venerable Martin Scorsese’s passion and commitment to motion pictures from making them to restoring and preserving them (which is a whole other topic for the usage of celluloid, rather than capture/acquisition) which kind of makes it glaringly surprising that his name was not on the list of the original ‘campaigners’….
https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=14619

I’m reminded of a line from Clint Eastwood’s Firefox…”Now you come?” Anyway, I take exception to one thing (the pursuit of the film look aesthetic) Mr. Scorsese says in the statement…”Everything we do in HD is an effort to recreate the look of film” because, believe it or not, some cinematographers disagree including one Academy award winning Director of Photography…..http://www.theasc.com/asc_blog/paral...er-collateral/

One thing that film diehards and aspiring Directors (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...-united-721649 )
can look forward to, eventually even when/if film acquisition does transition from being on life support to a true irreversible D.O.D. (date of death) is that even with digital acquisition, each several years we are getting closer and closer to the ‘filmic look’ if that is the desired *look*, for, given enough time, the best digital colorists (and this list is by no means comprehensive - http://hollywoodpostalliance.org/?page_id=8604 as there are others like for instance Stephen Nakamura at Company 3, Skip Kimball now at Technicolor, etc.)

can get you fairly close to the filmic look/aesthetic when provided with good digital capture/acquisition by the DP and his high end camera….if that is what you want, rather than the digital aesthetic.

Think not?...Well, there are a couple hybrid acquisition (film and digital capture) feature motion pictures that I’ve mentioned here or in the ‘List’ threads where I occasionally post (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...218262&page=55)
and I challenge unbiased viewers to tell the difference with certainty of the film vs. digitally captured imagery. It’s just that shooting film in the first place from the get-go is so much easier (and still better) for achieving the *filmic look* rather than massaging it in post (by altering the blacks, punching the contrast, etc.) in trying to emulate the same appearance.

But, I have faith, that someday, eventually we can achieve the *filmic look* even with digital acquisition for if we can make a bionic eye for humans….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...sc#post6848325 the former entertainment-related endeavor, given time and R&D, seems achievable….if motivated to do so.

[Penton-Man]

^ P.S.
Even if you’re not a multi-million dollar Hollywood production and can’t afford a Stefan Sonnenfeld-quality digital colorist and his tools, a cheapo film emulation plugin like FilmConvert, for the bucks, is getting low-budget indies respectably close to that filmic look.

Run the vimeo clip titled “FilmConvert Digital vs. Film Comparison” for some butterfly side-by-sides here -
http://philipbloom.net/2013/08/16/filmconvert/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You can add home cinema to that list! I could swear my dog used to enjoy the movies. Having said that, he was a hard critic. He walked out of the phantom menace after ten minutes! In hindsight, I should have followed him.

I wonder if ‘Lady the Labrador’ will also end up getting her own personal 4K tv, which is peanuts compared to the cost of jet fuel -
http://www.today.com/pets/first-clas...cue-1D80024901

Context video - http://www.kctv5.com/story/26168134/...-take-dog-back

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I wonder if ‘Lady the Labrador’ will also end up getting her own personal 4K tv, which is peanuts compared to the cost of jet fuel -
http://www.today.com/pets/first-clas...cue-1D80024901

Context video - http://www.kctv5.com/story/26168134/...-take-dog-back

It warms the cockles of one's heart. Good story.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

When I think of you, I primarily think of two things: dogs and football/soccer. Pertaining to the later, we must not neglect fellow enthusiast PeterTHX. One moment while I compose something deserving.

Actually, now that anything resembling soccer is safely off the airwaves I have ordered my first 4K set: the Sony XBR-55X900B.


If only there was REAL 4K Blu-ray out there!


PS: my cat likes to watch TV and the darndest things catch her eye. She stared quite a while at things like Terminator 2 and Dances With Wolves. Not even action scenes either. Odd.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I think everyone reading knows of the venerable Martin Scorsese’s passion and commitment to motion pictures from making them to restoring and preserving them (which is a whole other topic for the usage of celluloid, rather than capture/acquisition) which kind of makes it glaringly surprising that his name was not on the list of the original ‘campaigners’….
https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=14619

I’m reminded of a line from Clint Eastwood’s Firefox…”Now you come?” Anyway, I take exception to one thing (the pursuit of the film look aesthetic) Mr. Scorsese says in the statement…”Everything we do in HD is an effort to recreate the look of film” because, believe it or not, some cinematographers disagree including one Academy award winning Director of Photography…..http://www.theasc.com/asc_blog/paral...er-collateral/

One thing that film diehards and aspiring Directors (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...-united-721649 )
can look forward to, eventually even when/if film acquisition does transition from being on life support to a true irreversible D.O.D. (date of death) is that even with digital acquisition, each several years we are getting closer and closer to the ‘filmic look’ if that is the desired *look*, for, given enough time, the best digital colorists (and this list is by no means comprehensive - http://hollywoodpostalliance.org/?page_id=8604 as there are others like for instance Stephen Nakamura at Company 3, Skip Kimball now at Technicolor, etc.)

can get you fairly close to the filmic look/aesthetic when provided with good digital capture/acquisition by the DP and his high end camera….if that is what you want, rather than the digital aesthetic.

Think not?...Well, there are a couple hybrid acquisition (film and digital capture) feature motion pictures that I’ve mentioned here or in the ‘List’ threads where I occasionally post (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...218262&page=55)
and I challenge unbiased viewers to tell the difference with certainty of the film vs. digitally captured imagery. It’s just that shooting film in the first place from the get-go is so much easier (and still better) for achieving the *filmic look* rather than massaging it in post (by altering the blacks, punching the contrast, etc.) in trying to emulate the same appearance.

But, I have faith, that someday, eventually we can achieve the *filmic look* even with digital acquisition for if we can make a bionic eye for humans….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...sc#post6848325 the former entertainment-related endeavor, given time and R&D, seems achievable….if motivated to do so.

You seem bothered by this recent event.


No. I don't think any digital camera will ever come close to replicating the look of film. You can get a somewhat similar look like they did with Skyfall, but even then you can tell it was shot digitally. And it lacked the texture of film. It's always obvious when a movie uses a digital camera. There's no way around that overly clean, and sometimes flat, image.

Look at this movie that was shot with the red camera and tried to get that film look to it by adding grain-

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Hatch...Blu-ray/70758/


It doesn't work at all imo. It looks processed and artificial. It doesn't look natural.

Let digital cameras be its own thing. It has its place. It works fine for some movies when a certain feel and look is needed. But it ain't film. But there's no reason one should have to go away. Both can used. Leave directors with their own choice of what they want.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Actually, now that anything resembling soccer is safely off the airwaves I have ordered my first 4K set: the Sony XBR-55X900B.


If only there was REAL 4K Blu-ray out there!


PS: my cat likes to watch TV and the darndest things catch her eye. She stared quite a while at things like Terminator 2 and Dances With Wolves. Not even action scenes either. Odd.

T2? Your cat has excellent taste!

Congrats with your purchase, I too am looking forward to 4k bluray.

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by saprano

You seem bothered by this recent event.


No. I don't think any digital camera will ever come close to replicating the look of film. You can get a somewhat similar look like they did with Skyfall, but even then you can tell it was shot digitally. And it lacked the texture of film. It's always obvious when a movie uses a digital camera. There's no way around that overly clean, and sometimes flat, image.

Look at this movie that was shot with the red camera and tried to get that film look to it by adding grain-

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Hatch...Blu-ray/70758/


It doesn't work at all imo. It looks processed and artificial. It doesn't look natural.

Let digital cameras be its own thing. It has its place. It works fine for some movies when a certain feel and look is needed. But it ain't film. But there's no reason one should have to go away. Both can used. Leave directors with their own choice of what they want.

I love film too (especially 70mm/IMAX and I also like the look of 16mm), but I think it's a bit early to say that digital cameras will never reach the quality of film cameras. The Alexa and the Sony F65 produce some stunning images. For example, I thought Oblivion looked very natural and didn't have the glossy/pasty look that I associate with digital acquisition.

While it is important to retain film as a capture option (and I'd like to see it used for distribution again, perhaps on a small scale in major markets), digital cameras will keep getting better. That's a good thing, not a bad thing.

As much as I love vinyl records and analog tape, if a digital format came out that could equal tape I would celebrate it. SACD is very close to vinyl in terms of quality, IMHO.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Actually, now that anything resembling soccer is safely off the airwaves...

Baseball fan (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index...recap&c_id=ana) , eh? You’ll have to give me some time to do a dedicated finely tuned YouTube search to provide an appropriately thoughtful response.

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

I have ordered my first 4K set: the Sony XBR-55X900B.

From the Sony Corporation conference call for overseas investors for the first quarter (ended June 30, 2014) there was a recorded profit in the TV business. I’m quoting now…”In the Home Entertainment and Sound segment, the TV business recorded a profit for the quarter. Sales of that business were 205 billion JPY, and operating income was 7.9 billion JPY. Although we have revised our unit sales forecast for TVs downward to 15.5 million units, we believe we can offset this impact through cost reductions…”

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

If only there was REAL 4K Blu-ray out there

Well, in the meantime, you can always try hooking up a REAL 4K (4,096 × 2,160) Redray player with any ol’ 20 ft. HDMI cable to watch trailers, shorts and such….

InfoComm 2014: Testing 4K Sources and Displays - YouTube

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

PS: my cat likes to watch TV and the darndest things catch her eye. She stared quite a while at things like Terminator 2 and Dances With Wolves. Not even action scenes either. Odd.

Odd perhaps to us humans as cats possess different eyes and vision compared to that of humans (more rods, more peripheral vision, don’t need no Murine lubricant drops for dry eyes, etc. etc.) and I’ll bet they think differently too. I love both cats and dogs . Although I admit that as to the former, I’ve always been a bit intimidated by a living creature that may be smarter than me and at the same time definitely has a quicker left hook.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by saprano

You seem bothered by this recent event....

lol….Sap , where you been? defending the honor of the Pioneer Kuro and plasma technology in general somewhere at your local watering hole or on the internet? Here, this will make you feel better - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...st#post9533065

To answer your question, I’m not at all “bothered”, on the contrary, start here - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ce#post9524917
and then continue reading the entire flow of the recent conversation, especially the provided links carefully. I thought I made my celluloid empathy clear with the quote from Harmonica (Charles Bronson), further reinforced by Josh’s quip at the past Academy’s Sci-Tech Awards show. If I’m bothered by anything, it is Marty (or his publicist) *jumping on the bandwagon* after-the-fact and with a specific acquisition-elitist portion of his/their statement in regards to the motivation for all digitally captured imagery. Plus, I felt that digitally downtrodden readers might be getting depressed by now.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by saprano

Look at this movie that was shot with the red camera and tried to get that film look to it by adding grain-
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Hatch...Blu-ray/70758/
It doesn't work at all imo. It looks processed and artificial. It doesn't look natural.

As to Hatchet III, I’ve never seen it but, I can tell you that simply adding a layer of 16mm-simulating film grain for a stylized look is not what I (nor Beebe in the ASC link regarding said discussion) had in mind for pushing digital to make it look like Kodak Vision 3 (or even Vision 2) 35mm film stock for major high budget feature length motion pictures. That task is more tuned toward emulating the color response, contrast and black level of film during color grading along with careful digital acquisition when that filmic look is a primary goal from the get-go and you’re not shooting with a film camera.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by saprano

No. I don't think any digital camera will ever come close to replicating the look of film.

Not sure how old you are Sap but, when I was a wee young thing in the late 60’s my family and friends all gathered around a small, thick, heavy b&w TV (a remote wasn’t even a dream idea) to watch a goofy TV series called Get Smart and, at the time, we were all absolutely sure that handheld mobile phones (without any attached cord running into a wall outlet) would ever come close for common folks to use and this all was Hollywood make-believe….

Get Smart - 101 - Mr. Big - Part 1/2 - YouTube

But, unfortunately in the case of phones, we were all wrong….
https://twitter.com/falcaide/status/...882945/photo/1

You may be a more reliable technological fortune teller than me, kind of like you being Agent 86 (Maxwell Smart) and me being the likes of Larabee

Get Smart - Larabee Quick! Follow That Car - YouTube

but, I humbly think that predicting technological advancements over the long course of time can be a tricky thing as exemplified with the phone example. Film has had a century to mature, digital is still in its infancy. My bet is someday, someone will build a near perfect LUT and the final grading will dial it in from there. You know what I am sure of though?

I’m 100% sure that BYU will never come close to surpassing Syracuse U. as a party school…. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5647885.html. Feel free to bookmark my prediction.