HDR Discussion Thread

[Penton-Man]

a program kicks off for

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

aspiring young-ins

https://www.oscars.org/news/academy-...ustry-partners

[PaulGo]

Sony has release the Android 8,0 Oreo update for many US 2015 and 2016 TVs that have not previously been updated to Oreo. It is on their website. It was previously release in Asia and soon should be available in Europe.

[Lee A Stewart]

https://displaydaily.com/article/pre...tor-odyssey-g9

[Pagey123]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

https://displaydaily.com/article/pre...tor-odyssey-g9

I don't have a single valid use case for that thing, but by gawd it's sexy as hell for some reason!

[EvilBoris]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Be it HDR10, or Dolby Vision something that goes unrecognized or at least underappreciated is the source, for even if you have access to the original camera negative or the RAW files from which you’re planning to produce an HDR version the quality of the cinematography is of paramount importance, arguably more important than choosing HDR10 or Dolby Vision for mastering. Over time I think that AV bloggers will pick up on the significance of what I said last January.

thick negative = a well exposed image containing a full tonal image…in other words, a solid picture to work with, in that the whites aren’t clipped and the blacks aren’t crushed. Colorists and post production supervisors having experience in HDR mastering are finding out that not all movies are great HDR candidates.

DPs having an interest in HDR versions for their future work…. take note ^. Some already have, like at NAB 2016 this past week.

The art vs. Technology is always an interesting topic, the language of cinema is built upon the technology that we have now. HFR is one of those interesting
Examples of how both industry and consumers shunned a
Technology, because although objectively better smoother, clearer, more detailed
, more lifelike, we are unconsciously trained to accept specific parameters as more cinematic or artistic. An unconscious conditioning that has been present our entire lives.

I think to some degree that is happening with HDR, where some cinematographers will have spent their entire career developing their craft , their style, their art. In the face of a paradigm shift of what can be achieved in just a few years , things are far slower to change as new techniques and styles need to be practised , developed and proven. I’m sure there are countless examples in production where there is a financial risk attached to trying some in a new way, which creates a default result of “let’s do it in a tried and tested fashion”, so progress is perhaps slower than in other creative industries.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by EvilBoris

The art vs. Technology is always an interesting topic, the language of cinema is built upon the technology that we have now. HFR is one of those interesting
Examples of how both industry and consumers shunned a
Technology, because although objectively better smoother, clearer, more detailed
, more lifelike, we are unconsciously trained to accept specific parameters as more cinematic or artistic. An unconscious conditioning that has been present our entire lives.

I think to some degree that is happening with HDR, where some cinematographers will have spent their entire career developing their craft , their style, their art. In the face of a paradigm shift of what can be achieved in just a few years , things are far slower to change as new techniques and styles need to be practised , developed and proven. I’m sure there are countless examples in production where there is a financial risk attached to trying some in a new way, which creates a default result of “let’s do it in a tried and tested fashion”, so progress is perhaps slower than in other creative industries.

good to see you back Boris
Netflix is more than encouraging the use of HDR, so that should help over time
as to costs, the recording of this webinar should eventually be published - https://register.gotowebinar.com/reg...28551142311440

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

deep dive into LUTs

by that rugby fella - https://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/blog/2020-0...deo-production

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by EvilBoris

The art vs. Technology is always an interesting topic, the language of cinema is built upon the technology that we have now. HFR is one of those interesting
Examples of how both industry and consumers shunned a
Technology, because although objectively better smoother, clearer, more detailed
, more lifelike, we are unconsciously trained to accept specific parameters as more cinematic or artistic. An unconscious conditioning that has been present our entire lives.

It is interesting because although older folks have grown accustomed to and even like motion blur with their motion picture content, and you’ll likely know more about this than me, hasn’t the video games generation grown up with high frame rates and accepted that as the ‘norm’?

If that’s the case, how long the film guys can hold on to their beloved motion artifacts remains to be seen.

[Lee A Stewart]

The First-ever Adults-only Casino in Vegas Will Have America’s Largest Pool Amphitheater

[Penton-Man]

Lee, what the hell are you doing here. You’re missing out on KFC chicken and hair cuts in the Corona virus thread!
get me a safe with high efficacy vaccine and I’ll be there poolside….with my wife by my side

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

by that rugby fella - https://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/blog/2020-0...deo-production

and something I don’t think mentioned in Simon’s recent blog ^ , of which was briefly discussed with illustration earlier in the year on this thread is that some folks in the know believe adaptive conversion is the Holy Grail with regards to HDR Live content - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...s#post17360807

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

The First-ever Adults-only Casino in Vegas Will Have America’s Largest Pool Amphitheater

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Lee, what the hell are you doing here. You’re missing out on KFC chicken and hair cuts in the Corona virus thread!
get me a safe with high efficacy vaccine and I’ll be there poolside….with my wife by my side

^ Addendum:
zee wife says and as long as that hotel you’ve pictured is dog friendly

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

^ Addendum:
zee wife says and as long as that hotel you’ve pictured is dog friendly

I just went through the hotel's website and see nothing about it being pet friendly which would seem to me - no pets allowed. No one under 21 either.

The TV screen is 135 feet dia. HD - 40 feet high, 14 million pixels.



Casino opens this October, Hotel opens Dec. 28, 2020

[Penton-Man]

Along with Steph and colorin, Pure Interest has good taste in lounge chair and ottoman….

YouTube

YouTube

although, I personally prefer the original - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...p#post16033627

wide angle -

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Note to wife :
For my birthday, I’d like one of those robots ^ to ‘relax harder’ during my down time, so I need not get up out of our vintage Eames lounge chair and ottoman to walk over to the fridge in the kitchen for another refreshment….

[DanBa]

In addition to supporting HDMI 2.1 (48Gbps 4K@120Hz, …), the Vizio’s first OLED TVs are compatible with HDR10, HLG, Dolby Vision and HDR10+.
h ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfI3RbDgxRE

[Lee A Stewart]

PlayNitride to expand micro LED capacity

Taiwan-based PlayNitride plans to raise an additional fund of US$50 million for the establishment of its second production line for micro LED epitaxial wafers and chips, according to company CEO Charles Li.

The fundraising plan is expected to conclude in September 2020 at the latest paving the way for the firm to kick off construction for the expansion project that is slated for completion in 6-8 months, Li said.

The expansion project is being implemented in line with product development roadmaps of its major clients, Li said, noting that the company's first micro LED line has been fulfilling orders from its clients and partners since year-end 2019.

The production of micro LED chips from PlayNitride's second production line will enable the firm's major partner Samsung Electronics to ramp up its shipments of micro LED-backlit TVs starting the second half of 2021, according to industry sources.

Samsung has been keen on developing micro LED-based TVs. It reportedly is looking to unveil a lineup of micro LED TVs sized 75- to 92-inch in September 2020, the sources indicated.

https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20200630PD200.html

[EvilBoris]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

It is interesting because although older folks have grown accustomed to and even like motion blur with their motion picture content, and you’ll likely know more about this than me, hasn’t the video games generation grown up with high frame rates and accepted that as the ‘norm’?

If that’s the case, how long the film guys can hold on to their beloved motion artifacts remains to be seen.

It’s generally desirable for a game to have a higher framerate. For the most part many are 30fps, but 60fps is reasonably common. There is a big push for higher framerates now that there are 120hz TVs on the market and of course HDMI standardisations that support it
In the PC and E-Sports space they are aiming as high as 240fps.

Funnily enough lots of games spend time and money to restrict their framerate and simulate blur and poor camera optics to make themselves look more movielike.

[BrownianMotion]

Originally Posted by EvilBoris

For the most part many are 30fps, but 60fps is reasonably common.

On console, sure, and it looks like this will continue to be the case on the next gen consoles, especially PS5.

On PC, I haven't gamed in 30fps in many many years. Even at 4K with max settings, I'm usually getting 60+ fps, depending on the game. At 1440p I'm usually getting over 140fps.

The 2080ti has served me well, and not just for gaming. Looking forward to seeing what the Nvidia 3000 series has to offer.

[Lee A Stewart]

https://www.displaysupplychain.com/b...china-vs-korea

[DanBa]

In addition to supporting HDMI 2.1, the Xiaomi’s first OLED TV is compatible with HDR10, HLG, Dolby Vision and HDR10+.
https://twitter.com/DanielBa78/statu...28295249182720