HDTVTEST (Vincent Teoh) Discussion Thread

[tama]

Originally Posted by I DO BLU

Why has the video been removed from hdtv you tube?

Got hit with copyright? even though he blurred out what was playing on the tv set.

[NeilZ]

Actually most of the gamers I know either already use, or intend to go oled.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by NeilZ

Actually most of the gamers I know either already use, or intend to go oled.

LG has the killer move ready: the first-ever 42-inch OLED (I guess the C1) is coming before the end of the year...

It's well known gamers care about pixel density much more than size...

A 4K OLED at that size is gonna sell like crazy....

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

LG has the killer move ready: the first-ever 42-inch OLED (I guess the C1) is coming before the end of the year...

It's well known gamers care about pixel density much more than size...

A 4K OLED at that size is gonna sell like crazy....

That’s the thing I keep circling back to (and I had the same “multiple monitors” thought that chip did): are there thousands upon thousands of gamers who are queuing up to drop four grand on a 65” top of the line Pannysonic with Atmos audio built in? I’m not denying that OLED has become the weapon of choice for gamers but it’s not the display format *itself* I’m leery about, it’s this very specific model from the big P - who’ve based their entire OLED marketing line about being “Hollywood tuned” thus far - giving itself over to gaming guff and compromising its core USP that’s doing my nut in. Again, it feels like they’re ticking off a list of specs to stay relevant in the online twattersphere.

But hey, it’s their ideals they’re compromising so it’s up to them. These 2.1 features aren’t going to go away and I don’t have an issue with them in themselves despite being utterly, completely and totally useless for me; I’d just prefer it if they didn’t bork the video processing as a result. These are early days for the chips though and it’s not like I’m needing to buy a TV right this second so I can wait for them to get the whole package working as it should (tho now I’ve said that the Zed will prolly self destruct in five seconds).

[mrtickleuk]

Originally Posted by I DO BLU

Why has the video been removed from hdtv you tube?

Didn't you see my post #997? It was less than 1 day ago!

[I DO BLU]

Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

Didn't you see my post #997? It was less than 1 day ago!

Nope sorry I missed it thanks

[wakka]

Interesting to see that Panasonic finally including 2.1 has had this effect, and it certainly explains why they’ve taken their time doing so.

I think their desire to include gaming features makes sense. I think a very high percentage of those buying OLEDs will want VRR and 120hz, not because they’re super hardcore gamers but simply because they own a game console and if they’re going to pick up a new TV, they want something they feel is future proofed with all the latest features.

When I upgraded from my old plasma last year, I chose to sacrifice 2.1 for the picture accuracy of Panasonic and got a GZ950. All of my friends chose LG, though. It wasn’t even a consideration for them - they wouldn’t buy something that didn’t have the 2.1 features built in. These are regular dads who game occasionally on the PS5, not hardcore mega nerds.

Honestly, I think these features are much more important than you might think, and Panny are right to acknowledge that and include them. Obviously that should never be at the expense of PQ - sounds like they’ve screwed up this year’s badly - but the intention makes sense. I’m interested to see how their 2022 sets are, I’m confident they’ll turn it around.

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by tama

Got hit with copyright? even though he blurred out what was playing on the tv set.

Last year Europe imposed some new very strict online copyright laws.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by wakka

Interesting to see that Panasonic finally including 2.1 has had this effect, and it certainly explains why they’ve taken their time doing so.

I think their desire to include gaming features makes sense. I think a very high percentage of those buying OLEDs will want VRR and 120hz, not because they’re super hardcore gamers but simply because they own a game console and if they’re going to pick up a new TV, they want something they feel is future proofed with all the latest features.

When I upgraded from my old plasma last year, I chose to sacrifice 2.1 for the picture accuracy of Panasonic and got a GZ950. All of my friends chose LG, though. It wasn’t even a consideration for them - they wouldn’t buy something that didn’t have the 2.1 features built in. These are regular dads who game occasionally on the PS5, not hardcore mega nerds.

Honestly, I think these features are much more important than you might think, and Panny are right to acknowledge that and include them. Obviously that should never be at the expense of PQ - sounds like they’ve screwed up this year’s badly - but the intention makes sense. I’m interested to see how their 2022 sets are, I’m confident they’ll turn it around.

Nah, the Regular Dads™️ all bought the LGs because the marketing did its job perfickly, they’re the sort of people who wouldn’t know their VRR from their elbow but they were told (prolly by YouTube, lol) that these features were incredibly important and that their lives wouldn’t be worth living without them. The power of FOMO (no, not the white gloved goober on YT) is stronger than ever.

I recall people on here worrying about whether their UHD player had 2.1 or would get an update for it, but an update for what? A bunch of features that literally have nothing to do with movie playback whatsoever.

I know because I sold TVs for 15 years, not recently but although the tech changes the FOMO never dies. I’ve said this before but my favourite memory is always when customers would lead with “I want a smart TV” followed by the award-winning classic “What is a smart TV?”. They may not have a clue what it is, but they know they need it!

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I know because I sold TVs for 15 years, not recently but although the tech changes the FOMO never dies. I’ve said this before but my favourite memory is always when customers would lead with “I want a smart TV” followed by the award-winning classic “What is a smart TV?”. They may not have a clue what it is, but they know they need it!

And you know what you're talking about. I've ear-wigged conversations in-stores between "salespersons" and "humans" and it's borderline Looney Tunes (I still wonder why my brain writes Looney Toons instead of Tunes) stuff and not Bugs trying to sell a flatscreen to Elmer ...

My favourite is a bunch of salesmen standing in front of different VA panels telling each other theirs is brighter! and better!

[Geoff D]

The best salespeople know nothing about the tech, they just know the buzzwords. As those buzzwords are pretty much all the average punter has heard of, it’s a match made in heaven.

[KMFDMvsEnya]

Former fellow TV sales person.

Major talking points of old were: How bright, how thin, how many Ps, no glare -but no fuzziness or dimness due to anti-reflection coating, and how cheap.

Same ol'crap today, things never change.

The thinness factor was more often than not completely superfluous for most folks intended setup but it was extremely important for many to have it be as thin as possible.

Are you going to be wall mounting this TV?
No.
Then you will be placing it on a TV stand or some other similar furniture?
Yes.
Will it be up against a wall?
Yes.
Well, considering the budget you have indicated and factoring in the other features you want then perhaps the thinness factor should be of a lesser priority.
...I want it to be thin! And Cheap!
*Sigh

[avs commenter]

It’s funny all the researching we do for TVs acting like we’re gonna keep it for 20 years even though will probably replace it in 5

[KMFDMvsEnya]

Still rocking a Panasonic VT60 as my primary display, although I am likely an outlier these days in actually trying to keep things going as long as possible.

Also have a Kuro Pro-111 kicking around but that has been mothballed for a number of years, it remains in full working order.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

It’s funny all the researching we do for TVs acting like we’re gonna keep it for 20 years even though will probably replace it in 5

And for some people that’s 5 months, not 5 years. Though I’ve had my ZD9 for 4 years already, that’s easily the longest I’ve owned a TV for in the last 20 years. Hard to believe I bought my first 4K TV 8 years ago though!

[unberechenbar]

I'm still using an old Bravia from 2011.

[Jay Mammoth]

Originally Posted by KMFDMvsEnya

Still rocking a Panasonic VT60 as my primary display, although I am likely an outlier these days in actually trying to keep things going as long as possible.

Also have a Kuro Pro-111 kicking around but that has been mothballed for a number of years, it remains in full working order.

That’s the same TV I had before buying my 1st OLED.

[KMFDMvsEnya]

Originally Posted by Jay Mammoth

That’s the same TV I had before buying my 1st OLED.

If I had to replace my display today it would be the LG C1.

OLED is the closest thing I feel to be a worthy successor to my VT60 but the motion resolution has causted me to hold off for as long as possible. Also the more limited HDR performance. I really want at least 1,000 nits.

[Jay Mammoth]

Originally Posted by KMFDMvsEnya

If I had to replace my display today it would be the LG C1.

OLED is the closest thing I feel to be a worthy successor to my VT60 but the motion resolution has causted me to hold off for as long as possible. Also the more limited HDR performance. I really want at least 1,000 nits.

I wouldnt worry about nits, the contrast and the inky blacks of oled are amazing. I sold my VT60 in 2016 when i bought my C6 and never had regrets.

[wakka]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Nah, the Regular Dads™️ all bought the LGs because the marketing did its job perfickly, they’re the sort of people who wouldn’t know their VRR from their elbow but they were told (prolly by YouTube, lol) that these features were incredibly important and that their lives wouldn’t be worth living without them. The power of FOMO (no, not the white gloved goober on YT) is stronger than ever.

I recall people on here worrying about whether their UHD player had 2.1 or would get an update for it, but an update for what? A bunch of features that literally have nothing to do with movie playback whatsoever.

I know because I sold TVs for 15 years, not recently but although the tech changes the FOMO never dies. I’ve said this before but my favourite memory is always when customers would lead with “I want a smart TV” followed by the award-winning classic “What is a smart TV?”. They may not have a clue what it is, but they know they need it!

If you want to compete in the mass market, I think you have to aim to offer sets that won't leave customers with FOMO. As you say, buying a TV is a box ticking exercise at most for the majority of people. If they're dropping 1k+, they're going to want all the boxes ticked.

I would say that the 2.1 features are genuinely very useful for gaming - 120hz support is growing rapidly, particularly on Xbox. And gaming is far from a niche pursuit these days. In fact, I'd wager most people buying an OLED are planning to do at least some gaming on it. Whether people know what the benefit of VRR or 120hz actually is or not, if they own a Series X or PS5 and they're in the market for a new TV, they'll want something that can use the new features those consoles offer.

The problem is, as you point out, Panasonic have compromised their primary USP in order to do it. That's a complete mistake - they should've waited until they could implement 2.1 features and maintain class-leading accuracy at the same time.

Just my two cents - I'm looking forward to a point in the future where Panny have got it sorted and I can get something that boasts the gaming features on top of a terrific picture. Until then I'm sticking with my GZ