Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk 4K UHD 60p/3D (2016) - Page 55 - Blu-ray Forum

reewinder · 12-14-2017, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by bradnoyes

Just tried watching this and it was the first UHD I couldn't even force myself to finish. The movie itself wasn't particularly interesting, but man, that framerate...All I can say is that I hope we don't see much more of this 60fps stuff in the future.

I haven't tried out the 4K disc yet but I really enjoyed the 3D version. The 3D of this is mesmerizing. If 3D looked as good back when it was first offered on TV's as it does now on a 4K passive 3D screen I'm sure it would have much better support than it currently does.

jh901 · 12-14-2017, 02:16 PM

Not a fan of US military satire, generally. This one is a stinker.

On my display, the 60p is pretty wild. The motion and detail is startling. Sound was also recorded/mixed (otherwise processed) to sound "live". I don't like movies to seem so real, but it's neat to experience what my home theater is capable of.

Rizor · 12-18-2017, 04:42 AM

Just watched this disc. The PQ on this disc is staggering, but to echo others, the soap opera/live TV look of 60fps is rather distracting. It took about an hour (literally the halftime show/combat scenes) for me to really get into the movie. It didn't really help that the movie itself was fairly dry for its first hour. There are moments resembling humor/satire but the mostly locked off camerawork, lack of music and distracting frame rate really fail to get it across. Overall, I liked the movie. I know it's only 110 minutes, but it probably should've been 20-30 minutes shorter. I sampled the 24fps version on the 1080p BD and it feels more accessible. The biggest difference (other than resolution) is the notable motion blur on the BD.

I think there's a pretty good movie here and I appreciate Ang Lee's attempts to push the technology. But high frame rate just doesn't feel like cinema.

RockyIII · 12-18-2017, 11:20 AM

High frame rate can and should implemented in cinema. Watch the Meridian on Netflix in HDR/60fps. Very cinematic despite high frame

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bradnoyes · 12-18-2017, 06:15 PM

Meridian is a lovely tech showcase but it's still awful to look at due to the high frame rate. It's nice eye candy but there was nothing cinematic about it. It feels more like I'm watching a cutscene in a videogame.

harv28491 · 12-28-2017, 02:41 AM

Not sure if this has been answered. This seems a large thread. My 4k tv is 3 years old and I finally got a player, but when I play the movie it's in 24fps. Could it be because my TV is older? Or is there a setting I have to change?

bradnoyes · 12-28-2017, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by harv28491

Not sure if this has been answered. This seems a large thread. My 4k tv is 3 years old and I finally got a player, but when I play the movie it's in 24fps. Could it be because my TV is older? Or is there a setting I have to change?

What kind of HDMI cable are you using? That might be an issue if you're using an old cable. Also, if you provide the make and model of your TV and your player it will increase the chances that someone can help you.

harv28491 · 12-28-2017, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bradnoyes

What kind of HDMI cable are you using? That might be an issue if you're using an old cable. Also, if you provide the make and model of your TV and your player it will increase the chances that someone can help you.

I'm using the Xbox One X cable that came with the console, which I would think would be a proper 4k cable but that might not be the case. It's a Sony TV; I'll try and find the more important details tomorrow and post them here.

Mitchings · 06-11-2018, 03:52 PM

On a somewhat related note..

If there's an 8K UHD BD standard I hope it's less about the available resolution but instead focuses on providing an array of framerates for filmmakers to utilise: 23.976, 25, 29.97, 47.952, 50, 59.94, 100, 119.88.

As well as perhaps mandating 4:2:2 Chroma & encouraging 12-Bit Colour Depth.

Hopefully Glasses-Free 3D / UltraD? will be coming in the next 3-6yrs; and even if it doesn't work out (please do!) I still see no harm in at least making up to 4K HDR 120 3D an available part of the technical standard.

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I think we get stuck in the either/or trap when really it should be about providing future-proofed but technically feasible standards that gives creators the widest canvas -- Film/Digital, 2D/3D, HFR/LFR, Aspect Ratio etc. -- and the means for their work to be shown faithfully.

It should be case of using the tools appropriate for the content. I thought the HFR (and even the 3D) in The Hobbit movies was a terrible fit for most scenes. The cinematic veil and aesthetic of 24fps Film just worked so much better for the rich, earthy, fantastical world in LOTR. Certain scenes like Gandalf and co. travelling through a wooded area literally looked like a bunch of amateur role players playing dress up in the local nature reserve rather than middle-earth.

..there were however some shots that were beautiful. The slow-motion shots, large sweeping shots and some quicker pans were all very, very nice.

Imagine if Avatar 4/5 came out with Theatrical & Home standards supporting the above. We could have 4K+ HDR 3D in a 100fps 'container' w/ 25fps used for general scenes and closeups with each frame shown 4 times, 50fps for large sweeping shots, moderate pans and fast paced scenes with each frame shown twice; and 100fps for slow-motion, ultra-fast pans and other special shots with each frame shown once.

There's always a chance this could be jarring but I think a considered, variable approach may be the best bet we have to conventional viewing and I'd love to at least see someone try it; and for the standards to be there to facilitate it.

EDIT: Sorry to bump an old thread with a somewhat off-topic post, I was still making my way through the thread's many pages when I posted and didn't realise no one had replied for 6 mths.

Geoff D · 06-11-2018, 04:04 PM

Yeah, Cameron said that he didn't want his Avatars to use HFR all the way through.

fighthefutureofhd · 06-11-2018, 04:18 PM

I've yet to make it all the way through this movie on my new/newish tv. I've seen the movie before on my old television and enjoyed it for what it is. However, I had a rather tiny ass television then and it was not OLED or DV compatible. This should look even more stunning on the new set. The movie isn't by any means the greatest, but I still like it. It has some interesting things to say.

amory87 · 11-26-2018, 04:45 PM

Considering picking this one up (for $10 @ Amazon) today just to take a look at the HFR technology, but I don't know that I'm all that interested in the movie itself.

Is this the only movie currently available on UHD that is 60 fps?

BrownianMotion · 11-26-2018, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by amory87

Considering picking this one up (for $10 @ Amazon) today just to take a look at the HFR technology, but I don't know that I'm all that interested in the movie itself.

Is this the only movie currently available on UHD that is 60 fps?

Yes, it is.

kwr212 · 11-26-2018, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by amory87

Considering picking this one up (for $10 @ Amazon) today just to take a look at the HFR technology, but I don't know that I'm all that interested in the movie itself.

Is this the only movie currently available on UHD that is 60 fps?

I picked it up during the sale too for the HFR. It is currently the only HFR title, which makes it a bit of a novelty. I’m curious to see what effect it has on various scenes.

infiniteCR · 11-26-2018, 10:12 PM

Picked this one up in the BF sale. Heard the 3D is absolutely stunning. Looking forward to it.

8traxrule · 11-27-2018, 11:08 AM

I've watched both the 24fps 3D version and 60fps 2D, each one loses something (3D version doesn't look the same without the full frame rate, and the high frame rate obviously looks flat in 2D) and I'd love to be able to see this in both 3D AND the proper frame rate at the same time. The Hobbit movies are among the only 3D titles I haven't bought because they're in the wrong frame rate; almost didn't buy this one for the same reason but the price was right and was a movie I wanted to see anyways. Will double dip in the future if they can really do it right then. (As I've said a billion times, it was a mistake to put the 4K format on the market without 3D capability.)

Geoff D · 11-27-2018, 11:16 AM

I can't speak for the 3D but the 4K has some of the most immersive 'you are there' moments I've ever experienced on home video.

levcore · 11-27-2018, 11:24 AM

Great 3D and great 4K, as has been said it's a shame they can't be merged into one home presentation.

bookcase · 11-27-2018, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

I can't speak for the 3D but the 4K has some of the most immersive 'you are there' moments I've ever experienced on home video.

It's just a shame that (to me) it's Ang Lee's sole misfire.

levcore · 11-27-2018, 11:46 AM

Oh yeah the movie was really boring but it looked good.

06-11-2018, 03:52 PM	#1089
Mitchings Active Member Top contributor Member since:Oct 2011 Location:Oxford, England, UK Blu-ray collection:34 DVD collection:10 Blu-ray reviews:1	On a somewhat related note.. If there's an 8K UHD BD standard I hope it's less about the available resolution but instead focuses on providing an array of framerates for filmmakers to utilise: 23.976, 25, 29.97, 47.952, 50, 59.94, 100, 119.88. As well as perhaps mandating 4:2:2 Chroma & encouraging 12-Bit Colour Depth. Hopefully Glasses-Free 3D / UltraD? will be coming in the next 3-6yrs; and even if it doesn't work out (please do!) I still see no harm in at least making up to 4K HDR 120 3D an available part of the technical standard. --- I think we get stuck in the either/or trap when really it should be about providing future-proofed but technically feasible standards that gives creators the widest canvas -- Film/Digital, 2D/3D, HFR/LFR, Aspect Ratio etc. -- and the means for their work to be shown faithfully. It should be case of using the tools appropriate for the content. I thought the HFR (and even the 3D) in The Hobbit movies was a terrible fit for most scenes. The cinematic veil and aesthetic of 24fps Film just worked so much better for the rich, earthy, fantastical world in LOTR. Certain scenes like Gandalf and co. travelling through a wooded area literally looked like a bunch of amateur role players playing dress up in the local nature reserve rather than middle-earth. ..there were however some shots that were beautiful. The slow-motion shots, large sweeping shots and some quicker pans were all very, very nice. Imagine if Avatar 4/5 came out with Theatrical & Home standards supporting the above. We could have 4K+ HDR 3D in a 100fps 'container' w/ 25fps used for general scenes and closeups with each frame shown 4 times, 50fps for large sweeping shots, moderate pans and fast paced scenes with each frame shown twice; and 100fps for slow-motion, ultra-fast pans and other special shots with each frame shown once. There's always a chance this could be jarring but I think a considered, variable approach may be the best bet we have to conventional viewing and I'd love to at least see someone try it; and for the standards to be there to facilitate it. *EDIT: Sorry to bump an old thread with a somewhat off-topic post, I was still making my way through the thread's many pages when I posted and didn't realise no one had replied for 6 mths.* Last edited by Mitchings; 06-11-2018 at 04:11 PM.

12-14-2017, 02:16 PM	#1082
jh901 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Nov 2012 Location:PITTSBURGH PA Home Theater Gallery:1 Trading Score:2	Not a fan of US military satire, generally. This one is a stinker. On my display, the 60p is pretty wild. The motion and detail is startling. Sound was also recorded/mixed (otherwise processed) to sound "live". I don't like movies to seem so real, but it's neat to experience what my home theater is capable of.

12-18-2017, 04:42 AM	#1083
Rizor Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Jun 2008 Location:NJ, USA 4K collection:1602 Blu-ray collection:6185 DVD collection:192 MA collection:73 Digital collection:51 iTunes collection:29 Prime collection:7 Blu-ray reviews: 32 Trading Score:159	Just watched this disc. The PQ on this disc is staggering, but to echo others, the soap opera/live TV look of 60fps is rather distracting. It took about an hour (literally the halftime show/combat scenes) for me to really get into the movie. It didn't really help that the movie itself was fairly dry for its first hour. There are moments resembling humor/satire but the mostly locked off camerawork, lack of music and distracting frame rate really fail to get it across. Overall, I liked the movie. I know it's only 110 minutes, but it probably should've been 20-30 minutes shorter. I sampled the 24fps version on the 1080p BD and it feels more accessible. The biggest difference (other than resolution) is the notable motion blur on the BD. I think there's a pretty good movie here and I appreciate Ang Lee's attempts to push the technology. But high frame rate just doesn't feel like cinema.

12-18-2017, 11:20 AM	#1084
RockyIII Blu-ray Baron Member since:Feb 2016 Location:Miami, Fl Trading Score:25	High frame rate can and should implemented in cinema. Watch the Meridian on Netflix in HDR/60fps. Very cinematic despite high frame Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J320A using Tapatalk

12-18-2017, 06:15 PM	#1085
bradnoyes Blu-ray Knight Member since:Dec 2016 4K collection:775 Blu-ray collection:816 Trading Score:255	Meridian is a lovely tech showcase but it's still awful to look at due to the high frame rate. It's nice eye candy but there was nothing cinematic about it. It feels more like I'm watching a cutscene in a videogame.

12-28-2017, 02:41 AM	#1086
harv28491 New Member Member since:Dec 2017	Not sure if this has been answered. This seems a large thread. My 4k tv is 3 years old and I finally got a player, but when I play the movie it's in 24fps. Could it be because my TV is older? Or is there a setting I have to change?

06-11-2018, 04:04 PM	#1090
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	Yeah, Cameron said that he didn't want his Avatars to use HFR all the way through.

06-11-2018, 04:18 PM	#1091
fighthefutureofhd Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jun 2008 Location:Dry County	I've yet to make it all the way through this movie on my new/newish tv. I've seen the movie before on my old television and enjoyed it for what it is. However, I had a rather tiny ass television then and it was not OLED or DV compatible. This should look even more stunning on the new set. The movie isn't by any means the greatest, but I still like it. It has some interesting things to say.

11-26-2018, 04:45 PM	#1092
amory87 Active Member Member since:May 2018 4K collection:530 Blu-ray collection:742 DVD collection:51	Considering picking this one up (for $10 @ Amazon) today just to take a look at the HFR technology, but I don't know that I'm all that interested in the movie itself. Is this the only movie currently available on UHD that is 60 fps?

11-26-2018, 10:12 PM	#1095
infiniteCR Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Jun 2014 4K collection:327 Blu-ray collection:1649 DVD collection:190 Blu-ray reviews:5	Picked this one up in the BF sale. Heard the 3D is absolutely stunning. Looking forward to it.

11-27-2018, 11:08 AM	#1096
8traxrule Power Member Member since:Jul 2009 Blu-ray collection:1	I've watched both the 24fps 3D version and 60fps 2D, each one loses something (3D version doesn't look the same without the full frame rate, and the high frame rate obviously looks flat in 2D) and I'd love to be able to see this in both 3D AND the proper frame rate at the same time. The Hobbit movies are among the only 3D titles I haven't bought because they're in the wrong frame rate; almost didn't buy this one for the same reason but the price was right and was a movie I wanted to see anyways. Will double dip in the future if they can really do it right then. (As I've said a billion times, it was a mistake to put the 4K format on the market without 3D capability.)

11-27-2018, 11:16 AM	#1097
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	I can't speak for the 3D but the 4K has some of the most immersive 'you are there' moments I've ever experienced on home video.

11-27-2018, 11:24 AM	#1098
levcore Blu-ray Grand Duke Member since:Jun 2011 Location:Dryland 4K collection:306 Blu-ray collection:2617 Trading Score:3	Great 3D and great 4K, as has been said it's a shame they can't be merged into one home presentation.

11-27-2018, 11:46 AM	#1100
levcore Blu-ray Grand Duke Member since:Jun 2011 Location:Dryland 4K collection:306 Blu-ray collection:2617 Trading Score:3	Oh yeah the movie was really boring but it looked good.

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