Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by rexcrk

You know exactly what I’m talking about.

I really don't.
PM me.

[Jay G.]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

I'm in I.T.
The technical term for hooking hard drives together is Master and Slave.
There isn't anything inherently bad about the terms.

That's actually changing:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-its-codebase/
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/t...erms-ietf.html

The terms are increasingly being recognized as racially charged and are getting replaced with less offensive, and more accurate, terms.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by Jay G.

That's actually changing:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-its-codebase/
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/t...erms-ietf.html

The terms are increasingly being recognized as racially charged and are getting replaced with less offensive, and more accurate, terms.

This is getting beyond ridiculous

[Narcissus]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

This is getting beyond ridiculous

I quite agree. BTW, did you see what Diznee did to Jessica Rabbit?
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[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Narcissus

I quite agree. BTW, did you see what Diznee did to Jessica Rabbit?

For a second I thought this article was going to say that they changed her appearance in the film. Wouldn’t have surprised me. Cancel culture is also becoming Retcon culture.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by CreasyBear

The ship being changed makes no sense. It's been called the Slave 1 on toys and in books, comics, and video games for forty years. No one has said anything. But because it's Disney, they can't have a ship called Slave 1, because they're woke or something, I guess.

funny that for how woke they are.... they treat many of their employees almost like slaves (OK, yes I am obviously not being literal, but you get the idea) and treat their loyal paying customers like dirt (every tried to get a replacement disc from Disney for a manufacturing defect? they make you provide like 10,000 photos and documents and then after making you waste all that time come back and tell you to get lost and they don't do replacement discs!)

also ironic that in trying to be SO woke, they actually end up LESS woke in some cases, like in the Imperial Era the Empire pretty much was all white human males with Imperial British accents while the Rebel Alliance had males and females, some non-humans, not everyone was white but in the new Disney version of the Imperial Era suddenly like half the stormtroopers and admirals and moffs and so on in the Empire are female/non-white belying the whole point made to begin with and yet then they turn around and still celebrate the diversity of the Resistance so it's a nonsensical mish-mash where they try to be so woke that they end up less woke at times and lose the entire plot (sort of like how some schools are now holding special separate marches for new grads for non-white students and have white and non-white tables in dining halls, in trying to be so woke, it's like they are replicating some Southern segregationists dream ironically and being anything but actually woke).

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Jay G.

The terms are increasingly being recognized as racially charged and are getting replaced with less offensive, and more accurate, terms.

Watch The Ten Commandments or Spartacus. Do they need to change the plot there because it's a "racially charged" term?

Slavery's been around for thousands of years on Earth. It wasn't invented recently in North America. Hell, the Nazis used Jews, Slavs, and others as slave labor. The Chinese are doing it today to the Uighurs. Are we supposed to call it something else because it doesn't fit the definition?

Anakin was a slave. The Pykes used slaves on Kessel. Jango & Boba were into some shady shit. Their ship was named that to inspire fear.

[Bobbyjoe766]

DISNEY are sh*t.

I’ve never liked their output (20,000 Leagues Under the Sea is an exception).

George Lucas made a BIG mistake selling to them.

[Show spoiler]Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck and co stomp the sh*t outta Mickey and friends.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Watch The Ten Commandments or Spartacus. Do they need to change the plot there because it's a "racially charged" term?

Slavery's been around for thousands of years on Earth. It wasn't invented recently in North America. Hell, the Nazis used Jews, Slavs, and others as slave labor. The Chinese are doing it today to the Uighurs. Are we supposed to call it something else because it doesn't fit the definition?

Anakin was a slave. The Pykes used slaves on Kessel. Jango & Boba were into some shady shit. Their ship was named that to inspire fear.

indeed slavery is a huge part of Star Wars, it was actually one the key components in what went down in 1-3 and without those events there would have been no 4-9

using the term or having it in something hardly means it is being condoned, yet they somehow suddenly act like it would mean they are condoning it, but that doesn't make sense and they apply their woke rules so inconsistently none of it adds up to anything coherent (the SW universe is filled with slavery and that is fine to talk about and show, but then a ship run by a baddy involved in that sort of stuff can't be named using the term, don't get how any of it adds up). It just comes across as a shallow, illogical sort of pandering to score a few woke points with a handful of people on twitter and get a lot of noise on the internet tabloid circuit to maybe cover for dirt they do behind the scenes.

[rexcrk]

Originally Posted by Martoto

Also. It's not a hub-ub about the ship. The lego ship was released relatively quietly and it did not have "Slave I" on the box so some fans decided to create the hub-ub about it. The overwhelming majority of people would not and still don't care or give the toy box a second look.

This. Right here. Nail on the head. This is why I hate Nerd Rage Culture. People making big deals out of nothing and creating controversy where none exists.

It’s no different than soccer moms making big deals out of non-issues.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by rexcrk

This. Right here. Nail on the head. This is why I hate Nerd Rage Culture. People making big deals out of nothing and creating controversy where none exists.

It’s no different than soccer moms making big deals out of non-issues.

this is not nerd rage culture (and it was Disney who made a big deal over nothing, what were there, less than a handful of twitter users in the entire world complaining that the box for Slave I said Slave I on it?) but complaining about shallow, illogical (in some cases actually producing a LESS woke outcome since they don't even understand certain characters and goings on but just do a quick surface pander with no depth or understanding) pandering to nobody to cast the eye away from stuff Disney (or others do) that actually matters

nerd rage culture is bashing SW 7-9 and Red Letter Media prequels bashing videos and all the endless videos trashing this and that film and sneering how dumb and beneath them this movie is or how Lucas #### their childhood or how Disney ruined Star Wars or raging over how dare Rey have strong force powers or a girl lead movie or some politics appear in a film or saying that The Last Jedi is the worst film in history and has destroyed all of Star Wars because they had bombs breaking the laws of physics in one scene near the start (never mind that: 1. Star Wars breaks the laws of physics all the time starting with the very first film back in '77! 2. that the bomb scene in TLJ did NOT break physics and all you need is like a high school level intro knowledge to know that!) and so on

[koberulz]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Watch The Ten Commandments or Spartacus. Do they need to change the plot there because it's a "racially charged" term?

Slavery's been around for thousands of years on Earth. It wasn't invented recently in North America. Hell, the Nazis used Jews, Slavs, and others as slave labor. The Chinese are doing it today to the Uighurs. Are we supposed to call it something else because it doesn't fit the definition?

Anakin was a slave. The Pykes used slaves on Kessel. Jango & Boba were into some shady shit. Their ship was named that to inspire fear.

None of that has anything to do with IT, which is what the post you're responding to was talking about.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by koberulz

None of that has anything to do with IT, which is what the post you're responding to was talking about.

Yes it does. Master/slave.

Except SATA, NVME, SAS don't use it. IDE is pretty much gone away.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW

this is not nerd rage culture (and it was Disney who made a big deal over nothing, what were there, less than a handful of twitter users in the entire world complaining that the box for Slave I said Slave I on it?) but complaining about shallow, illogical (in some cases actually producing a LESS woke outcome since they don't even understand certain characters and goings on but just do a quick surface pander with no depth or understanding) pandering to nobody to cast the eye away from stuff Disney (or others do) that actually matters

Lego just released a toy ship for kids that didn’t frivolously use the term slave . They didn’t make a pronouncement or highlight it in order to promote their values or any BS like that. Just released a toy without special comment. The hubbub is exclusively from people who are either genuinely preoccupied with this stuff or by people wanting to stir up nerd rage.

It’s kind of ironic that some fans cite Anakin in the prequels as some indication that slavery is taken seriously in the saga. But are also arguing that it is important that slave continues to be used as a cool sounding name of a ship used by a character with no connection to slavery. Or it’s important that Disney continue to put it on merchandise. Or it’s important that Disney don’t appear to be placing too much importance on these things by changing it , but it IS important that it appears on toy boxes and not just “Boba Fett’s Starship”.

[Akibiyori]

Originally Posted by Bobbyjoe766

[Show spoiler]Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck and co stomp the sh*t outta Mickey and friends.

I find that people who say stuff like this typically haven’t actually seen the classic Disney shorts and are basing their perception on what the company is now or how the characters are used today.

Frankly, Warner *****d out their characters far worse than Disney ever has (remember the ridiculous amount of licensed apparel featuring Looney Tunes for anything in the 1990s? The awful video games? Foisting the minor character Taz on everyone?) and ran them into the ground in their original day far worse than Disney ever did (the mediocrities of the later 50s and especially the terrible 60s, whereas Disney practically stopped making Mickey Mouse shorts in the 1940s.)

[Jay G.]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Watch The Ten Commandments or Spartacus. Do they need to change the plot there because it's a "racially charged" term?

It makes sense to use the terms slave/slavery when referring to actual slaves/slavery.

However, in computing, the term usage is often arbitrary and inaccurate. To go back to the IDE drives terminology, it didn't even make sense, since the "master" drive didn't actually own/control the "slave" drive in any way; both were actually controlled by the PC and its drive controller. So the terminology "primary/secondary" actually fits a lot better to the actual relationship between the two drives.

That reasoning is actually behind a lot of the IT changes. Not only is the terminology potentially offensive, but the new terms are far more accurate in describing the actual relationship between the things being described.

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Are we supposed to call it something else because it doesn't fit the definition?

Yes, if something doesn't fit the definition of slave/slavery, then don't use those terms to describe it.

[Narcissus]

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[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Jay G.

However, in computing, the term usage is often arbitrary and inaccurate. To go back to the IDE drives terminology, it didn't even make sense, since the "master" drive didn't actually own/control the "slave" drive in any way; both were actually controlled by the PC and its drive controller. So the terminology "primary/secondary" actually fits a lot better to the actual relationship between the two drives.

Except in the IDE world the IDE connectors on the motherboard itself were labeled "Primary" and "Secondary" channels.

And I can tell you that people in IT roll their eyes over the PC poutrage no matter their background.

[Jay G.]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Except in the IDE world the IDE connectors on the motherboard itself were labeled "Primary" and "Secondary" channels.

This could've varied between manufacturers, and over time, but "Master" and "Slave" terminology did often appear on the hardware itself:

https://www.mysuperpc.com/hdu/jumper_pins.shtml

There wouldn't be separate labels on the motherboard, since the whole point of the "master/slave" settings in IDE was that both drives used the same connector on the motherboard. You're confusing a motherboard with multiple IDE channels for the settings on one channel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parall...ces_on_a_cable

If two devices are attached to a single cable, one must be designated as Device 0 (in the past, commonly designated master) and the other as Device 1 (in the past, commonly designated as slave). This distinction is necessary to allow both drives to share the cable without conflict... The mode that a device must use is often set by a jumper setting on the device itself...

The words primary and secondary typically refers to the two IDE cables, which can have two drives each (primary master, primary slave, secondary master, secondary slave).

If you meant that calling a drive "primary primary" to denote the first drive on the first channel would be confusing, the above notes that the drives could also be called "Device 0" and "Device 1".

Referring to them as 0 and 1 seems to date back to the first ATA spec:
https://eab.abime.net/attachment.php...8&d=1320241861

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

And I can tell you that people in IT roll their eyes over the PC poutrage no matter their background.

I work in IT and I'm not rolling my eyes at the changes in terminology. Don't try to talk for others.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Jay G.

I work in IT and I'm not rolling my eyes at the changes in terminology. Don't try to talk for others.

Well I can speak for my team. They are rolling their eyes.