Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[tigertron]

Originally Posted by emb531

TPM CGI is very dated. Sith looks awesome however

Episode III just keeps looking better and better.

[Jumpman]

merlinpants,

There's nothing really Lucas can do about the visual effects of Episodes I and II unless he redid them ALL.

Those two films, half of the time, are dated. It's a product of the time they did those films. ILM still did great work. It's just that the work volume for those two films were a bit too much for ILM to handle. CG wasn't at a point then as it is today.

You can get away with doing 2000 visual effects in 2011...

[AlexSing]

Originally Posted by aiman04

Really honest question here, as you have Predator UHE in your collection, can you tolerate the DNR in that blu-ray? Just curious.

I'm not really sure why you ask that? My point was that we should expect high leveles of detail ("the pores on their faces" was the comment/question I was referring to) in the PT (whether I choose to own them or not) and that we should be annoyed that so much DNR was used (if thats indeed the case).

Now as a side note - The Predator UHE I own was bought as a curiosity because I simply didn't believe the reports on this site that it was that bad and looked that fake. I own the collectors DVD which is awful in places so I thought anything would be an upgrade. Yes, the DNR is laughably bad at times, yes it's overly distracting at times and yes even as someone who doesnt like grain that much I think they went way too far - but I still think you missed my point with the above post.

This is Star Wars which will out-sell Predator 50:1 globally. Lucasfilm/ILM is a billion dollar company and DNR to the levels being intimated here have no place in this series. It's a travesty. And I stand by the fact that there are plenty of catalogue titles available where you can see more detail than in those pics of Padame (and her coat especially)

[Merlinpants]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

merlinpants,

There's nothing really Lucas can do about the visual effects of Episodes I and II unless he redid them ALL.

Those two films, half of the time, are dated. It's a product of the time they did those films. ILM still did great work. It's just that the work volume for those two films were a bit too much for ILM to handle. CG wasn't at a point then as it is today.

You can get away with doing 2000 visual effects in 2011...

I agree to an extent (lets compare it with Jurassic park and see if that argument holds any water at all), but it shocks me that the phantom menace transfer especially is looking the worst, especially as that is the 3D template for the release in 2012. Perhaps he realy should have spent the 7 years perfecting this instead of releasing what appears to be another below par transfer on all films. It is a real pity, but I still will enjoy the films and lift myself above all of the faults and issues and just take it for what it is. Star Wars in HD.

The other issue with this argument is that the OT were a product of their time and they have been altered to reflect updated technology. It is PT vs OT again. Change one, but leave the other, when now both look pretty shoddy.

I don't think anyone would have objected to the models of the OT or the mismatch effects of the PT if we hadn't been promised so much and seem to have been delivered so little. Perhaps he should have just left the films alone (all of them) and spent the money on a proper transfer and clean up. Just my thoughts.

[NYorker]

Originally Posted by Merlinpants

I agree to an extent (lets compare it with Jurassic park and see if that argument holds any water at all), but it shocks me that the phantom menace transfer especially is looking the worst, especially as that is the 3D template for the release in 2012. Perhaps he realy should have spent the 7 years perfecting this instead of releasing what appears to be another below par transfer on all films. It is a real pity, but I still will enjoy the films and lift myself above all of the faults and issues and just take it for what it is. Star Wars in HD.

The other issue with this argument is that the OT were a product of their time and they have been altered to reflect updated technology. It is PT vs OT again. Change one, but leave the other, when now both look pretty shoddy.

I don't think anyone would have objected to the models of the OT or the mismatch effects of the PT if we hadn't been promised so much and seem to have been delivered so little. Perhaps he should have just left the films alone (all of them) and spent the money on a proper transfer and clean up. Just my thoughts.

I think you just voiced most everyone's thoughts, not just yours...!

[beckmen]

Oh, Gods the DNR on that Qui-Gon pic is atrocious! Most of the other shots look OK, but still noticeably scrubbed. George is really taking the piss at this point, isn't he? How can he not be trying to anger people with this stuff? Also funny that they seemed to DNR TPM, but based on that XCU of Obi-Wan, didn't DNR the digital noise of ROTS. So film grain is bad, but digital video noise is fine? I guess I shouldn't complain, DNR is DNR. The less of it we get, the better.

"This deal is getting worse all the time!"

*waits for next round of bad news*

[Jimmy Bro]

Anyone got screenz of the OT?

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by stubiedoo

He hasn't gone crazy with the DNR has he? please tell me he hasn't .The whole point of blu-ray is to see more detail and as other people have said you're just scrubbing the detail away with DNR.Predator is a grain fest yes but at least theres detail.

My post was about grain & DNR in general, not specifically about The Phantom Menace. But I can't really answer your question, yet. Almost all screenshots I've seen seems to have minimal grain, we know it was shot on film so that might indicate DNR. But, they also look very good and details are still there. They might have gone through the same process that Aliens blu-ray did, but I can't be so sure until I see the whole film on the actual blu-ray. And we have that shot of Qui-Gon to consider, which is very bad. Probably the grain was so bad there (as seen in the HDTV comparison) they might overdone it.

I prefer the original release of Predator, MPEG2 codec gave it a bit of problem handling the grain but it's miles better than the UHE which is a perfect example of how extreme DNR can be.

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by AlexSing

I'm not really sure why you ask that? My point was that we should expect high leveles of detail ("the pores on their faces" was the comment/question I was referring to) in the PT (whether I choose to own them or not) and that we should be annoyed that so much DNR was used (if thats indeed the case).

Now as a side note - The Predator UHE I own was bought as a curiosity because I simply didn't believe the reports on this site that it was that bad and looked that fake. I own the collectors DVD which is awful in places so I thought anything would be an upgrade. Yes, the DNR is laughably bad at times, yes it's overly distracting at times and yes even as someone who doesnt like grain that much I think they went way too far - but I still think you missed my point with the above post.

This is Star Wars which will out-sell Predator 50:1 globally. Lucasfilm/ILM is a billion dollar company and DNR to the levels being intimated here have no place in this series. It's a travesty. And I stand by the fact that there are plenty of catalogue titles available where you can see more detail than in those pics of Padame (and her coat especially)

It's all fine, and I agree. Like I said I was just curious. My apologies if you feel offended.

[IndyMLVC]

Awesome.

[Jumpman]

merlinpants,

Jurassic is a perfect comparison to make. We won't know for another month and a half on that one but I'm willing to bet that Jurassic is going to look A LOT like Episode I, in terms of the effects not blending in. You can tell that on the Jurassic DVD. It's only going to be worse in HD.

Could he have spent the past seven years perfecting EVERY visual effect across the six films? He could but at what cost? Remember, ILM does work on other productions through out the year. I mean, what would be the man power to basically, from scratch, redo THAT much work across six films?

As for the Episode I transfer, he wasn't going to go beyond the look of Episodes II and III with this transfer. Frankly, it's kind of astonishing that the transfer has that much detail, even with the DNR applied to it. Having looked at the screencaps on my television last night and sitting where I always sit, they looked spectacular, with the lone exception being the Qui-Gon shot.

The majority of people aren't going to tell a difference, which is kind of the point.

Episodes I, IV, V, and VI could've been lights out if he rescanned those from scratch and kept the "film" look. But, clearly, Episodes II and III have dictated the look for the entire Saga from here on out. With that knowledge, are these transfers really that disappointing?

Personally, I don't think so. Considering what we've been watching since '01, these films in HD look fantastic and this is how they'll probably always look for all time.

We're not going to get another format after this....

[Merlinpants]

Anyone from the UK got their pre-order packed as yet? I'm surprised my hasn't, big releases like these they usually lock your order down a few days early to make sure you don't scoot off and get a better offer somewhere else like the supermarkets etc.

[AlexSing]

Originally Posted by aiman04

It's all fine, and I agree. Like I said I was just curious. My apologies if you feel offended.

Offended? Bro, not in any way Sorry if I came off like that, not my intention al all.

I just thought you misinterpreted me. If just a curious question, well there you have it. The UHE is just an oddity to me but I dont get wound up by it like many on here. Now if it was all over Star wars, that would be a totally different story..

[Jumpman]

Jimmy,

They're not.

But a rescan of the film elements would've produced a better image than what we're getting on next Friday, even if the said image looks really good.

The "purist" of the Original Trilogy want a more "film like" image that they remembered when watching the films originally. Lucas doesn't want the film like look anymore, even though Episodes I, IV, V, and VI have a very thin layer of film grain in the transfers.

I'm not disputing the notion that a rescan of those four films wouldn't produce some excellent results, in the vain of Gone with the Wind, Ben-Hur, and Wizard of Oz...

[Merlinpants]

Interesting section added to Amazon.co.uk for the complete saga boxset:

This Item is Quantity Restricted
In order that as many customers as possible can benefit from this offer, customers may only order limited numbers of this item for delivery in the UK. If you intended the extra products to be gifts then why not send the recipient an Amazon.co.uk Gift Certificate for the value of the item(s)?

They must be near to selling out their allocated run then?

[Jimmy Bro]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Jimmy,

They're not.

But a rescan of the film elements would've produced a better image than what we're getting on next Friday, even if the said image looks really good.

The "purist" of the Original Trilogy want a more "film like" image that they remembered when watching the films originally. Lucas doesn't want the film like look anymore, even though Episodes I, IV, V, and VI have a very thin layer of film grain in the transfers.

I'm not disputing the notion that a rescan of those four films wouldn't produce some excellent results, in the vain of Gone with the Wind, Ben-Hur, and Wizard of Oz...

So the OT could look much better than what we will be getting? Why the hell would they choose not to do that?

And the way you said it in your other post gives the impression that you aren't dissapointed.

[NYorker]

After nearly 1,500 pages, I for one can't wait for Jurassic Park to arrive - then we can all move to another thread and start from scratch...

[Jumpman]

For Lucas, a 2K digital negative of the Original Trilogy is good enough...and he has a point...to an extent.

But, there's no doubt that if he rescanned the Original Trilogy in either 4K, 6K, or 8K, the results would probably be remarkable.

[Jumpman]

And don't forgot, the best Star Wars movie wasn't even written or directed by Lucas.

Wrong. The basic guts of the Empire Strikes Back come from Lucas' mind. There's no dispute in that. The polish belongs to Kershner and Kasdan.

A collaborative effort that some seem to take credit away from Lucas...

[marlon dingle]

Originally Posted by nolfoc

this thread pretty much consist of 28 thousand plus post of people b****ing! And you call yourself fans!! If if wasn't for lucas, star wars wouldnt ever exist in the first place, if he wants to vamp it up a little bit so be it.... If you dont want to buy these "new" versions then don't.. Enjoy your shitty looking dvd's, while the people that are true fans of these movies enjoy viewing the best version of star wars they have seen thus far.. You should all be ashamed of yourself; bunch of posers!

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