Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[NYorker]

How about special packagings...?
I suggest a Death Star big enough for all 6 movies
How about an X-Wing/Tie Fighter with stroage compartment?
Vader/Stormtrooper masks...

Probably ain't gonna happen, but fun to dream up this stuf...

[DRS]

Originally Posted by Beast

Why? It's not like he's gonna be hanging around and teaching Luke to play catch.

He's a ghost. And there's also the possibility that if he's hoping to reunite with Padme in whatever afterlife exists on the other side, that he'd probably want to look like someone she remembers as well.

It also fits with Obi-Wan's point of view that Anakin did die when he became Darth Vader.

He was basically a walking corpse kept alive by machines that kept Anakin's soul from joining The Force.

But the whole point was that Anakin DIDN'T die then, and in the end, he found his ultimate redemption while being Darth Vader, overcoming the years and years of sith brainwashing that the Emperor brought upon him. In the end he regained his humanity in order to save his son.

The whole point was that he was always human, Luke believed in him, and in the end, he was right. That is why Anakin appears as he does originally.

The whole changing Sebastien Shaw to Hayden Christensen thing is the worst thing that George Lucas has ever done to Star Wars (and its a long long list). Not only is it disrespectful to the original actor, but it fundamentally twists and misunderstands the actual ending to Return of the Jedi.

I refuse to buy any variant of Return of the Jedi that contains Hayden Christensen at the end, without presenting the original end. And if this means I will never again own Star Wars on home video, then so be it.

[KubrickFan]

Originally Posted by Beast

Why? It's not like he's gonna be hanging around and teaching Luke to play catch.

He's a ghost. And there's also the possibility that if he's hoping to reunite with Padme in whatever afterlife exists on the other side, that he'd probably want to look like someone she remembers as well.

It also fits with Obi-Wan's point of view that Anakin did die when he became Darth Vader.

He was basically a walking corpse kept alive by machines that kept Anakin's soul from joining The Force.

Like DRS said, and also like George Lucas himself said: the saga is about the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. He's a person again when he dies at the end of ROTJ, and Lucas reverses that with replacing the older person with the young guy. Obi-Wan gave him advice while still being a ghost, so there's no reason for Anakin not to do the same, while Padme never learned how to become a spirit (so, they will never see each other).

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by DRS

But the whole point was that Anakin DIDN'T die then, and in the end, he found his ultimate redemption while being Darth Vader, overcoming the years and years of sith brainwashing that the Emperor brought upon him. In the end he regained his humanity in order to save his son.

The whole point was that he was always human, Luke believed in him, and in the end, he was right. That is why Anakin appears as he does originally.

The whole changing Sebastien Shaw to Hayden Christensen thing is the worst thing that George Lucas has ever done to Star Wars (and its a long long list). Not only is it disrespectful to the original actor, but it fundamentally twists and misunderstands the actual ending to Return of the Jedi.

I refuse to buy any variant of Return of the Jedi that contains Hayden Christensen at the end, without presenting the original end. And if this means I will never again own Star Wars on home video, then so be it.

It's too bad for you. Because Sebastian Shaw being there as no meaning. Anakin was never a Jedi that old, he was last a Jedi as a 20 something being turn as Darth Vader by Palpatine. So when Luke help's turn him back to the Jedi he once was, explain to me why should his spirit turn into a 50 something man wearing Jedi robe he never was? Why would his spirit become something he never was? I think this change is one of the most logical made by Lucas. Some of you are just letting you blind hatred for the changes get to you.

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Because Sebastian Shaw being there as no meaning. Anakin was never a Jedi that old, he was last a Jedi as a 20 something being turn as Darth Vader by Palpatine. So when Luke help's turn him back to the Jedi he once was, explain to me why should his spirit turn into a 50 something man wearing Jedi robe he never was? Why would his spirit become something he never was? I think this change is one of the most logical made by Lucas. Some of you are just letting you blind hatred for the changes get to you.

Then Lucas should reshoot the mask removal scene in ROTJ with Hayden.

I better not give George any more ideas.

[Jumpman]

The change has everything to do with Lucas seeing Vader and Anakin as TWO DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT people....even if they are technically one and the same.

He mainly did it for the visual acknowledgment for future viewers of the Saga who will watch the films in chronological order. Seeing Hayden at the end will make more sense for them than Sebastian Shaw...

[Beast]

Originally Posted by DRS

But the whole point was that Anakin DIDN'T die then, and in the end, he found his ultimate redemption while being Darth Vader, overcoming the years and years of sith brainwashing that the Emperor brought upon him. In the end he regained his humanity in order to save his son.

For all intents and purposes he did. That's why the change.

The whole point was that he was always human, Luke believed in him, and in the end, he was right. That is why Anakin appears as he does originally.

The whole point was that Anakin was "more machine now than man", basically a walking corpse that was kept alive by machines. Yes, his soul and the spark of goodness that was still within' him eventually resurfaced. But why should he be beholden to the crude matter of a body that he doesn't even recognize as himself. Again, if he can manifest with his limbs intact, with no scars, with hair, and in Jedi robes that he never wore... then what is holding his spirit form from manifesting as the man he remembers himself being?

The whole changing Sebastien Shaw to Hayden Christensen thing is the worst thing that George Lucas has ever done to Star Wars (and its a long long list). Not only is it disrespectful to the original actor, but it fundamentally twists and misunderstands the actual ending to Return of the Jedi.

I still believe it to be the best change to the OT. It doesn't twist or misunderstand the actual ending of ROTJ, it finally gets it right. As it's fitting the mythology established in the OT Especially with how Yoda spoke of them as luminous beings trapped in crude matter. It makes no sense for a Ghost that isn't restrained by the crude matter of the flesh to appear as a a man that the individual doesn't even recognize as himself. And it's not disrespectful to Sebastian Shaw, not like they replaced him in the Vader costume during his death scene on the Death Star II.

I refuse to buy any variant of Return of the Jedi that contains Hayden Christensen at the end, without presenting the original end. And if this means I will never again own Star Wars on home video, then so be it.

Then enjoy watching your Laserdisc encodes on DVD. The rest of us will be enjoying these.

[Jumpman]

Yeah, I never understood the disrespect angle to Shaw when he's still in the movie with his most important scene intact...

[Beast]

Originally Posted by KubrickFan

Like DRS said, and also like George Lucas himself said: the saga is about the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. He's a person again when he dies at the end of ROTJ, and Lucas reverses that with replacing the older person with the young guy. Obi-Wan gave him advice while still being a ghost, so there's no reason for Anakin not to do the same, while Padme never learned how to become a spirit (so, they will never see each other).

Nothing is reversed. Anakin is simply manifesting as the man he remembers himself being.

Not the Sith tainted decayed walking corpse that he was trapped in for 20+ years.

[Jumpman]

Nothing is reversed. Anakin is simply manifesting as the man he remembers himself being.

Not the Sith tainted decayed walking corpse that he was trapped in for 20+ years.

BINGO!

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by DetroitSportsFan

Then Lucas should reshoot the mask removal scene in ROTJ with Hayden.

I better not give George any more ideas.

Why? He is not dead at that point or did I miss something?

[TheOneWithThePrize]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Nothing is reversed. Anakin is simply manifesting as the man he remembers himself being.

Not the Sith tainted decayed walking corpse that he was trapped in for 20+ years.

BINGO!

Keep drinking that Kool-aid. Give Lucas 2 more years after this set and we'll see the originals restored on Blu-ray as well.

[Jumpman]

Nope.

If he hasn't done it on DVD, he's not doing it on Blu Ray.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by TheOneWithThePrize

Keep drinking that Kool-aid. Give Lucas 2 more years after this set and we'll see the originals restored on Blu-ray as well.

I am sure we will, that is not a problem. I am still getting the Special Editions because I enjoy them.

[Beast]

Hell, if you go by the novels and what Lucas has said...

Anakin's spirit was even trapped in his body after it died. It's not until Luke burns Vader's shell on the funeral pyre, that Anakin's spirit is even released to become one with the force.

[Jumpman]

Beast,

I didn't know that. The Return of the Jedi novelization says that?!

[Beast]

Originally Posted by TheOneWithThePrize

Keep drinking that Kool-aid. Give Lucas 2 more years after this set and we'll see the originals restored on Blu-ray as well.

It's called common sense and logic. And it tastes delicious.

And like the others have said, if he didn't do it on DVD. I doubt it's coming soon on Blu.

[DRS]

Originally Posted by Beast

Nothing is reversed. Anakin is simply manifesting as the man he remembers himself being.

Not the Sith tainted decayed walking corpse that he was trapped in for 20+ years.

The point is he found his humanity even as a sith tainted decayed corpse. Its not about him remembering the man he used to be, but about him finally becoming the man he should be by doing the right thing.

His original figure at the end of ROTJ fits that. He does not throw away 20 (?) years of his life. Even if that portion of his life was miserable and was filled with him doing terrible things, it led him to finding the son he never knew he had, and overcoming the darkness that filled him to finally be a father to Luke, even if it was the last thing he ever did.

The ghost at the end was his father as he looked as Darth Vader (healed obviously, otherwise Obi-Wan would be cut in half as a ghost), because it was as a man that age, that he truly once and for all overcame the darkness. A darkness that plagued Anakin even as a young man. He was hardly a pure and perfect Jedi as a youth, so the whole arguement about him appearing as he was when he was good is completely bunk as far as I'm concerned.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Beast,

I didn't know that. The Return of the Jedi novelization says that?!

It's been ages since I have read it. So not sure where it's from.

It may have been mentioned on the RotJ audio commentary as well.

But it's pretty clear that Anakin/Vader didn't vanish like Obi-Wan and Yoda did.

Yet he still manages to manifest like they do, after his body is burned on the pyre.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by DRS

The point is he found his humanity even as a sith tainted decayed corpse. Its not about him remembering the man he used to be, but about him finally becoming the man he should be by doing the right thing.

His original figure at the end of ROTJ fits that. He does not throw away 20 (?) years of his life. Even if that portion of his life was miserable and was filled with him doing terrible things, it led him to finding the son he never knew he had, and overcoming the darkness that filled him to finally be a father to Luke, even if it was the last thing he ever did.

The ghost at the end was his father as he looked as Darth Vader (healed obviously, otherwise Obi-Wan would be cut in half as a ghost), because it was as a man that age, that he truly once and for all overcame the darkness. A darkness that plagued Anakin even as a young man. He was hardly a pure and perfect Jedi, so the whole arguement about him appearing as he was when he was good is completely bunk as far as I'm concerned.

Sure you have every right to think so, no one can say to you that you don't have that right. It's too bad the creator of the movies think's otherwise