Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

So I interpret that as him being glad a horse was going to be slaughtered so he could use its head.

Eh? He was unhappy at the idea that he would be forced to illustrate the ruthlessness of the Corleone's with something that looked like it had been ripped off a carousel ride or the front end of a pantomime costume.

But the horse was going to be slaughtered anyway. If, before it's rendered to make whatever products we get out of horse's heads, it can be used in that scene then it's no different than them going straight to a slaughterhouse to buy the meat to look more realistic than fake meat in the dinner scene that preceded it. Or the leather in people's shoes... the glue that was used to construct props, sets or whatever.

I appreciate that it's grisly and morbid. But I don't think it's necessary to interpret Coppola being glad that horses get slaughtered in general for various purposes.

I also think it's ****ed up that he filmed a cow being slaughtered in Apocalypse Now.

That's a different situation and I don't like that scene either. Even less so after discovering that it was totally unnecessary and not something that was going to happen anyway.

I share people's wish for animals to be harmed for no good reason.

[Ernest Rister]

"SEAGULLS! (Stop It Now)" -- A Bad Lip Reading of The Empire Strikes Back - YouTube

[Region_unlocked]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Politics?

It's a whole crazy conspiracy theory thing, just best to not get into it.

[Ernest Rister]

Godfather trailer with Star Wars soundtrack - YouTube

[Panama Jack]

Originally Posted by Class316

Personally I think it should be original theatrical and a "final cut" so to speak. Better than dealing with all other garbage.

Agreed. Now that Lucas is out of the picture, I would rather LFL do one last of final special edition version, removing some of the dumber and more controversial changes that Lucas made, keeping some of the few that actually make sense, and sparingly going through and fixing 1-2 of the things that Lucas should have addressed but didn't.

Release that along with the original theatricals, and I'd be good. Then we could all move on to griping about color timing choices and transfer defects like all the other movies we discuss.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

They can't block what the content owners want them to release, otherwise they'd be in breach of their distribution contract. LFL (and by proxy, Disney) owns Star Wars. Fox distribute it for them, as they currently do for all of the pre-buyout movies until 2020, and it's up to them to fulfil the wishes of the content providers, NOTHING more.

This is what people just don't understand, and seemingly never will judging by the posts that keep popping up again and again and again just because they read it on some ill-informed blog.

[edit] Sure, the issue of a unified boxset becomes a teensy bit tricker after 2020 as Disney's home video arm will need to licence Ep IV from Fox, but if people think Fox will put a spanner in the works then they're badly underestimating the lure of free money (that's if Disney haven't already made them an offer they can't refuse for the distribution rights). Remember kids: LFL/Disney are ALREADY WORKING WITH FOX under the existing terms of the distribution deal...

Not doubting you, but if Fox is so powerless with regard to LFL's and Disney's wishes, and/or if Disney and Fox are working so well together, then why wasn't ANH included as a DisneyMoviesAnywhere title in the Digital Collection? Why is it that when I log into my DMA app, I can only watch Eps. 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6, even though I bought the whole Collection on iTunes? Why did all of the Eps. except ANH transfer to my Vudu account when I purchased the Collection?

I get what you're saying that Fox and Disney have a huge incentive in this case to play nice in the sandbox with each other, but the Digital Collection seems to show that Fox does still have some significant power over the details of ANH's distribution, that Disney & LFL can't just do whatever they want, and that apparently money can't fix all of the potential hiccups that come with ANH's distribution rights still being owned by Fox.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Panama Jack

Agreed. Now that Lucas is out of the picture, I would rather LFL do one last of final special edition version, removing some of the dumber and more controversial changes that Lucas made, keeping some of the few that actually make sense, and sparingly going through and fixing 1-2 of the things that Lucas should have addressed but didn't.

Release that along with the original theatricals, and I'd be good. Then we could all move on to griping about color timing choices and transfer defects like all the other movies we discuss.




Not doubting you, but if Fox is so powerless with regard to LFL's and Disney's wishes, and/or if Disney and Fox are working so well together, then why wasn't ANH included as a DisneyMoviesAnywhere title in the Digital Collection? Why is it that when I log into my DMA app, I can only watch Eps. 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, and 7, even though I bought the whole Collection on iTunes? Why did all of the Eps. except ANH transfer to my Vudu account when I purchased the Collection?

I get what you're saying that Fox and Disney have a huge incentive in this case to play nice in the sandbox with each other, but the Digital Collection seems to show that Fox does still have some significant power over the details of ANH's distribution, that Disney & LFL can't just do whatever they want, and that apparently money can't fix all of the potential hiccups that come with ANH's distribution rights still being owned by Fox.

LucasFilm owns distribution rights on digital distribution of all the films except the original Star Wars. A distribution deal *is not control* of a property, it is an agreement to distribute a product when required, for a fee and a percentage. LucasFilm told Fox to distribute the Star Wars films on digital platforms like iTunes, chose not to pay the distribution fees to make it available on Disney Movies Anywhere. That's it.

I've tried to be reductive and compare it to a paper route. A newspaper hires people to deliver their newspapers, that doesn't mean the delivery agent owns the newspaper. They are required to do their job for the newspaper. That's overly simplified, but it's the same concept. Fox is the distributor for episodes 1-6, has the privilege of getting the job for distributing the original Star Wars forever, until some horse trading goes down or that contract is purchased outright.

Walt, under advice from Charlie Chaplin back in the early 30's, and after the Mintz/Oswald debacle in the 1928, made sure he owned his own films. He hired people to distribute his films, they didn't own his films. RKO, for instance, didn't own Snow White or Fantasia, United Artists didn't own Mickey Mouse. The were paid to distribute the films in their theaters for the Disney Bros. Walt grew so dissatisfied with RKO, he said screw it, let's just set up our own distribution company, why are we paying these guys when they're giving me grief about my nature doc, etc. Lucas did the same thing as soon as he could, self-financed, then in the 90's, won back ownership of the original Star Wars in the negotiations with Fox for the distribution agreement for the Prequels.

Anyway, iTunes is a much, much bigger market than Disney Movies Anywhere, LucasFilm told Fox to distribute it on iTunes, didn't bother paying them to distribute it on DMA. That's all that is. Can you imagine a newspaper distributor refusing to deliver the paper? That's breach, that's actionable. Fox does what they're told to do regarding Star Wars, and they get paid a fee (looks at watch)...for now.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Panama Jack

Not doubting you, but if Fox is so powerless with regard to LFL's and Disney's wishes, and/or if Disney and Fox are working so well together, then why wasn't ANH included as a DisneyMoviesAnywhere title in the Digital Collection? Why is it that when I log into my DMA app, I can only watch Eps. 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, and 7, even though I bought the whole Collection on iTunes? Why did all of the Eps. except ANH transfer to my Vudu account when I purchased the Collection?

I get what you're saying that Fox and Disney have a huge incentive in this case to play nice in the sandbox with each other, but the Digital Collection seems to show that Fox does still have some significant power over the details of ANH's distribution, that Disney & LFL can't just do whatever they want, and that apparently money can't fix all of the potential hiccups that come with ANH's distribution rights still being owned by Fox.

Disney found a loophole in the current Fox distribution agreement which permitted them digital rights, something that was clearly not envisioned - or likely not protected by enough legalese - in that pre-existing distribution agreement. You keep pointing to the Fox retention of Ep IV on digital as being a smoking gun, but that's kinda the thing about perpetual distribution rights: they're not worth the paper they're printed on if they don't cover any and all means of distribution, both now and whatever may come into the future.

So why don't the two companies play ball now with Ep IV on digital if they're all so loved up? Disney haven't bothered chasing after the digital rights because it's simply not worth it, they've already got five out of six on DMA and it's not like Fox have their own exclusive digital distribution platform as direct competition. Hell, if someone goes to iTunes and buys all six movies they're right there, all bunched together like one big happy family as Ernest said.

Disney are being smart, they're not going to go to war with Fox over the rights to one film on one platform when Fox are still the contracted distributors of all six on everything but digital until May 2020. After that, the gloves may well come off but Fox would be insane to put up much of a fight.

[Panama Jack]

Good explanations.

Still think Disney and/or LFL should have paid whatever was necessary to make ANH a DMA title along with the other Eps. It worked out to Fox's advantage though, since after buying the Collection on iTunes, I ended up also buying ANH individually on Vudu because it bothered my stupid OCD completist tendencies too much to only see Eps 1, 2, 3, 5, & 6 when I was browsing. Sigh.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Panama Jack

Good explanations.

Still think Disney and/or LFL should have paid whatever was necessary to make ANH a DMA title along with the other Eps. It worked out to Fox's advantage though, since after buying the Collection on iTunes, I ended up also buying ANH individually on Vudu because it bothered my stupid OCD completist tendencies too much to only see Eps 1, 2, 3, 5, & 6 when I was browsing. Sigh.

Like I said, with 5 out of 6 already part of Disney's digital collection it just wasn't worth getting Fox involved, no matter how bad that gap looks to OCD types , and now is not the time to start any kind of legal proceedings either, not when Fox still have the bulk of the distribution rights to all 6 anyway as it may prove too tricky to untangle.

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by Region_unlocked

It's a whole crazy conspiracy theory thing, just best to not get into it.

It was meant as a joke


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[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Panama Jack

Good explanations.

Still think Disney and/or LFL should have paid whatever was necessary to make ANH a DMA title along with the other Eps. It worked out to Fox's advantage though, since after buying the Collection on iTunes, I ended up also buying ANH individually on Vudu because it bothered my stupid OCD completist tendencies too much to only see Eps 1, 2, 3, 5, & 6 when I was browsing. Sigh.

A lot of classic titles missing on DMA...The Light In the Forest, Ten Who Dared, Make Mine Music, Melody Time, Victory Through Air Power, etc., to say nothing of Lucas productions and the Miramax library.

[Panama Jack]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

A lot of classic titles missing on DMA...The Light In the Forest, Ten Who Dared, Make Mine Music, Melody Time, Victory Through Air Power, etc., to say nothing of Lucas productions and the Miramax library.

But this is ANH we're talking about... possibly the biggest classic title of all time. The deal should have been made.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Panama Jack

But this is ANH we're talking about... possibly the biggest classic title of all time. The deal should have been made.

Naah. Wait 'em out. Patience, as the little green guy says.

[rickah88]

Babysitter has been placed under contract...tickets for Rogue One about to be purchased!
I know this is the PT/OT/ST thread, but what the heck.
My first time in a theatre since seeing VII about one year ago!

[Mighty Max]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Babysitter has been placed under contract...tickets for Rogue One about to be purchased!
I know this is the PT/OT/ST thread, but what the heck.
My first time in a theatre since seeing VII about one year ago!

Well, the title does say complete saga... so I think you're ok...
just don't post spoilers...
if you do, please tag them. I won't see it for nearly two weeks...

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Mighty Max

Well, the title does say complete saga... so I think you're ok...
just don't post spoilers...
if you do, please tag them. I won't see it for nearly two weeks...

Read at your own risk! You have been warned!

[Show spoiler]They secure the plans to destroy the Death Star!

You heard it here first.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Mighty Max

Well, the title does say complete saga... so I think you're ok...
just don't post spoilers...
if you do, please tag them. I won't see it for nearly two weeks...

Jar-Jar drives an AT-AT, it trips, and takes down five others.

[Jakdonark]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Babysitter has been placed under contract...tickets for Rogue One about to be purchased!
I know this is the PT/OT/ST thread, but what the heck.
My first time in a theatre since seeing VII about one year ago!

Don't hesitate to purchase! I got mine a week ago and the seat availability was almost gone for an opening night show! Almost missed out on the marathon last year. When I got my ticket for that there were 3-5 seats left!

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Jar-Jar drives an AT-AT, it trips, and takes down five others.

Ouch Time: A Star Wars Story

[Panama Jack]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Jar-Jar drives an AT-AT, it trips, and takes down five others.

Is that before or after Jyn tries spinning because it's a good trick?