Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by rodneyfaile

I'll take anything before the 1997 special editions.

Not me. Original 70mm surround mix, nothing like it.

There is one way I see it and that is 35mm scan with 70mm surround. The rest can go to hell in original form and that includes Empire and Return non-specialized. They are part of a bigger picture and if like Star Wars they cannot stand alone, then what is the point.

It is not the Luke story it is the Anakin story, except for the original.

[crissrudd4554]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

This is a discussion board, so I am being scolded because I am debating the merits of owning a great bluray release based on its content beyond some digital changes and this is a problem to you? The title of this thread is Complete Saga and I do not promote it being un-owned. Matter of fact, I promote it and others like it being released. Imagine that?

PS yes I say that in well regard of what site I am on.

Lets see, so you think you should have your right to scold me for saying how I feel, but if state my view, than oh no.

Never said you weren't entitled to how you feel but the fact you seem disturbed by those who won't upgrade to these sets simply because you think they are the best they have ever looked just confuses me. Why should it bother you what anyone else is watching?? Furthermore who put you in the authority to decide which versions people should watch?? Are you the movie police??

Perhaps I come here as an observer and a lover of movies and like to discuss the movies themselves and not only the BDs. You truly think this whole discussion can simply balance on its own if the BDs are the only sole part of the discussion?? Imagine that.

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

And you have that right, just like I can criticize a thought process that foolishly believes that just because the same master is used, doesn't mean that the bluray can't be better because there is more space and all that.

When did I say the BD wasn't better?? I said it was the same source as the DVDs but with further changes. However at the resolution that BD offers I have no doubt it looks better than the DVD. But again HD is not mandatory in my movie watching habits. Now when I say 'mandatory' I don't mean 'I don't like HD' or 'I don't get the purpose of it', I just mean I could go either way. Its not gonna affect my viewing of the film(s).

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

I don't know where people get this jacked up way of thinking that somehow a 2K master is some kind of bad thing and not acceptable.

Never said that either.

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

How about you worry about yourself? What are you, a public defender?

I will and I'm not. I'm just saying people are entitled to watch whatever they want regardless of what people like you have to say.

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

So wait a second, you are promoting a bootleg and you think this is more acceptable. A few notes. That bootleg actually stole from the blurays. The only "HD" content is what came fromt the bluray (well sorta, there was some 8mm sources used too which is a whole other discussion).

Wasn't promoting anything. I mentioned that and the non-anamorphic DVD were two examples of Star Wars that I can watch for now. At least the 2006 DVD sets give you the option of both versions but yes to put it bluntly the non-anamorphic video of the OUT is crap. That's where DeSpecialized comes in. At least its much higher in quality, looks better, and isn't non-anamorphic! But I never said anyone or everyone should be watching those versions. Perhaps I am watching them also out of mere curiosity just to an idea of what a restored OUT might look like.

And for the record I do still pop in the SE DVDs from time to time. Was just watching the ANH one the other day so before you say I'm just some dude lost in a wave of nostalgia who denies the existence of the altered versions, I'm not. And yes I'm well aware that the DeSpecialized versions for the most part utilize the BD masters.

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

The Complete Saga which is a well done bluray set is something I am going to promote and discuss. The point I was making is that there is so much more to it. And you think I shouldn't have that right.

Putting words in my mouth again. When did I say you didn't have the right to anything? You were criticizing me for not upgrading to the BDs. You said why someone would want 'to miss out on a great visual and audio experience...just boggles the mind. Comparing to the compressed to hell DVD...really?' Again why does it bother you what I am watching???

Are you implying I said you have no right to criticize people's viewing habits? Well to an extent I was because that's not your choice to make anyways. You have no higher authority in this thread over me or anyone else here. Did I at any point go 'why are you watching the BDs??' Don't think so because that's your choice anyways.

Like I said. Worry about what you are watching, not what I am or anyone else is. You obviously love these BD sets and good for you. Watch them, enjoy them. For the time being I don't need them. I have enough to get me by for a while regardless of what you or anyone says. Again I said right now I dont need them. That does not imply someday I might want them.

[Rodney-2187]

There is a lot wrong with the special editions other than just added cgi.

http://savestarwars.com/specialeditionfail.html

[ElvisForever]

For someone that keep scolding me for "worrying" about what other people watch, look at your protest against me?

That is just a little hypocritical no?

Sorry if I didn't respond directly to what you just wrote, but honestly, did you actually add anything?

I always say "for me"..."what I prefer"..."what I think"...IMHO...etc.

What is wrong with that? You state what you think, but somehow you put more spin on what I say which yes is trying to limit me. This isn't a criticism, this is you actively stating that by me stating my view that I am trying to put myself in the authority!

*cuckoo* *cuckoo*

Look, take your own advice, or keep posting saying how much what I do is wrong while essentially doing the same thing.

You were criticizing me for not upgrading to the BDs. You said why someone would want 'to miss out on a great visual and audio experience...just boggles the mind.

Actually no. Actually I was saying very little to you. I was criticizing your foolish statements about them both being from the same 2K masters having any relevance when comparing the DVD to bluray and whether it is worth an upgrade. BIG DIFFERENCE.

The "criticism" I had originally was one disregarding all the other things the Complete Saga set has to offer because of Jedi Rocks.

It looks like that is not what happened, and despite your point of view, I am allowed to be curious and respond according to the value of the set especially in relation to a thread that is for the set!

You think this is about the OT, bootlegs, old special editions etc.... That is the irony of this whole thing.

Dude watch what you want to watch, but don't expect support on a thread about the Complete Saga and people crapping all over it.

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Originally Posted by rodneyfaile

There is a lot wrong with the special editions other than just added cgi.

http://savestarwars.com/specialeditionfail.html

It is preference not "right or wrong".

The only way to see it right is a scan untouched of the original 35mm negative. Empire had lots of pink saber stuff before any special edition came along. That is a fact!

By the way, a little trivia for me. I never noticed that the film was sped up for Obi and Darth before in the original Star Wars. Kinda changes things for me and the criticism this is a "slow fight". No it isn't. It is only slow in perception. When backed up, it is what is really going on.

One of the 1001 reasons why I BELIEVE the original Star Wars is a better movie and why it is the best selling movie to this day.

[Ben Reilly]

I like Adywan's versions...
Dude seriously just needs to finish The Empire Strikes Back!

[Ben Reilly]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

I was criticizing your foolish statements about them both being from the same 2K masters having any relevance when comparing the DVD to bluray and whether it is worth an upgrade. BIG DIFFERENCE.
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The Blu-Rays are barely at 720p quality though.
The blacks are super crushed.
Colour timing is off.

[gates70]

This sure is your typical Star Wars thread

[Rodney-2187]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

It is preference not "right or wrong".

Black crush is a preference?

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Ben Reilly

The Blu-Rays are barely at 720p quality though.
The blacks are super crushed.
Colour timing is off.

The blurays are at 1080p. FACT.

Adywan is another revisionism and it isn't the creator. Not interested.

Also that Darth and Obi Wan fight is ultra stupid in a Episode III kind of way. I have zero respect for what he did. I cannot and will not promote such crap no matter how much money someone has to sink into such a project.

Even down to having Obi Wan put his light saber up first?? Man this guy makes Lucas look tame. Obi Wan was not looking for a fight, he was looking to do a job and get away if possible. Darth waiting for him was powerful and we don't have to see a matrix style fight to understand that this is two pro's going at it and the true winners are but a fraction of a second too late.

This is but one example...

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by rodneyfaile

There is a lot wrong with the special editions other than just added cgi.

http://savestarwars.com/specialeditionfail.html

I will say I prefer the newer, darker look. The old scan looks too bright. I think if we DO get the UOT, and everything is perfect in terms of the content/cuts, the transfers themselves will still be divisive.

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by Ben Reilly

I like Adywan's versions...
Dude seriously just needs to finish The Empire Strikes Back!

He said he'll announce a release date by the end of April.

[crissrudd4554]

"You think this is about the OT, bootlegs, old special editions etc.... That is the irony of this whole thing."

Never said that. I elaborated on the versions I watch nothing more. I also said I come here as a fan of movies and like discussing them aside from discussing the BDs. That doesn't mean I don't wanna talk about the BDs, it just means it's not all I wanna talk about. I like to even it out by discussing the movies.

"I was criticizing your foolish statements about them both being from the same 2K masters having any relevance when comparing the DVD to bluray and whether it is worth an upgrade. BIG DIFFERENCE."

You clearly missed when I said this: "I said it was the same source as the DVDs but with further changes. However at the resolution that BD offers I have no doubt it looks better than the DVD."

As far as the criticism initially stemming from your initial take that the one user cancelled his order after seeing Jedi Rocks, this goes back to my current argument. Even if your initial take on that situation was correct why does it bother you?? If he doesn't want it, he doesn't want it. I know this proved not to be the case but even if it had so what??

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

He said he'll announce a release date by the end of April.

Will this madness never end. I am watching some clips now and I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

The Death Star battle is a sick joke and needs to be erased from my mind forever. I honestly didn't think it could get worse than the saber fight.

Hey Adywan, Luke sensed the gun turrets not a random tie fighter. Sometimes less is more.

You make the Matrix sequels CGI look like masterpieces.

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Originally Posted by crissrudd4554

You clearly missed when I said this: "I said it was the same source as the DVDs but with further changes. However at the resolution that BD offers I have no doubt it looks better than the DVD."

I didn't miss anything. The original quote was as follows:

Originally Posted by crissrudd4554

You do realize the BD's utilize the same 2K masters as the 2004 DVDs which even in 2004 were criticized for their coloring and sound design.

You later tried to change it up. Please stop being dishonest. There is more to the 2K masters than just the coloring and sound design as I pointed out...then you stack on and say...but that is what I was saying all along!

As far as the criticism initially stemming from your initial take that the one user cancelled his order after seeing Jedi Rocks, this goes back to my current argument. Even if your initial take on that situation was correct why does it bother you?? If he doesn't want it, he doesn't want it. I know this proved not to be the case but even if it had so what??

You are the one starting all this "bother me" BS.

I stated my opinion in a tongue in cheek way and listed out the box set is more than just the movies themselves. You missed this concept or felt I shouldn't be able to respond, or didn't do it in the way you liked?

It was silly to the highest order. Now that you at least got some facts right, care to further change your last post to me where you said I was going after you for not owning the BD's?. At least we are getting closer to the facts of what happened.

As for answering your question, eh...mildly annoys may be more accurate.

So what...well again, I was retorting with stating what the box set had to offer. So what...so that is what I was doing. You don't think pointing this out has any value or I should be allowed, or I shouldn't worry about it, or I should show any concern whatsoever? Ok, well I do...there is your so what. Funny how freedom is fun.

Now to recount, the box set has added value, some of which is documentaries not put out since the laser disc days. Tons of deleted scenes not available anywhere else...etc.

And what is your criticism again...oh yeah, I shouldn't be speaking up. I shouldn't criticize at all...I should just admire if someone says they cancel an order because of Jedi Rocks....right...

Are we done now?

[crissrudd4554]

I only made the 2K remark to counterpoint your apparently 'tongue in cheek' remark that the BDs had more to offer. Bonus content wise, sure they do. Movie wise not so much. They are the same 2K masters as the '04 DVDs with further alterations. That doesn't mean you or anyone else shouldn't own them because compared to the DVDs they are better. I was merely saying what they are. How am I wrong for that?? Remember when I said I could go either way. Who's to say they're aren't others who aren't the same??

And before you try defending yourself again you asked if I wasn't seriously watching the non-anamorphic DVD. Even if I am, again why do you care??

Anyways I'm done. Frankly it takes more than lightspeed to get through a discussion with you!

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by crissrudd4554

I only made the 2K remark to counterpoint your apparently 'tongue in cheek' remark that the BDs had more to offer. Bonus content wise, sure they do. Movie wise not so much. They are the same 2K masters as the '04 DVDs with further alterations. That doesn't mean you or anyone else shouldn't own them because compared to the DVDs they are better. I was merely saying what they are. How am I wrong for that?? Remember when I said I could go either way. Who's to say they're aren't others who aren't the same??

And before you try defending yourself again you asked if I wasn't seriously watching the non-anamorphic DVD. Even if I am, again why do you care??

Anyways I'm done. Frankly it takes more than lightspeed to get through a discussion with you!

I think watching the non-anamorphic DVD's are a waste and pointless to discussions about quality.

It would be like explaining the finer points of an HD master to a person with cataracts. Kinda lost on the point don't you think?

I never said you were "wrong" for how you felt. I stated points you are wrong like in implying that there may be no added value because they are both from 2K masters.

But lets squash this. I don't say people are wrong for having an opinion anymore that I was saying OP was wrong for getting rid of something for Jedi Rocks. What I was saying is that the box set has much more than that, and it is foolish to base everything on just that if one is a huge Star Wars fan of which he seems to be.

Let us both be done and at the least pit it off like a Three's Company misunderstanding because we are typing on a message board where finer points can be lost.

After re-reading your post, I can see where I misunderstood your 2K example as not being a slight on bluray, but rather that they are both flawed...of course I stand by the fact that the bluray is more than that, but at least we can learn a few things from each other.

But if you take nothing else away...Star Wars 35mm scan with 70mm surround...that belongs in the Film registry, not what is currently in there, and the despecialized isn't even close (IMHO).

[crissrudd4554]

Fair enough. I will respect your opinion. I think we can both agree there's misconceptions in both our arguments.

[HD Goofnut]

[shinobipopcorn]

I miss the "good thing you don't taste very good" line. Worst alteration to the films ever.

[AaronY]

Originally Posted by shinobipopcorn

I miss the "good thing you don't taste very good" line. Worst alteration to the films ever.

I think that was for technical reasons or at least thats what they were saying here: http://boards.theforce.net/threads/r...good.50022173/

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by crissrudd4554

Fair enough. I will respect your opinion. I think we can both agree there's misconceptions in both our arguments.

If you will do me one favor. Watch the scene on the HD version you spoke of.

In the hallway during the princess rescue. Watch how the corridor is a jittery mess. It hovers, and all that. I don't know how that got past QC, but I swear that raised my eyebrows when I saw the youtube clips on making it back to the pre-special edition. I thought, all that work, instead of just finding an original negative?

A special note as I have talked about. It is amazing how well the 70mm soundtrack lines up with the pretty much awesome 35mm scan. Same goes for the mono track. The sound is the only value in the version you mentioned IMHO because it is DTS-MA as opposed to the PCM stereo that is out there pasted on the negative scan.