Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

The original title was 'Revenge of the Jedi' until someone reminded Lucas that Jedi do not seek revenge.




The title is referring to Luke.

All well and good. But the original title means about as much as what any of us would have called it. The official title that GL gave it for release was Return of the Jedi. You are forgetting that Star Wars is a six film saga, and that THE CENTRAL CHARACTER is Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader, not Luke Skywalker. As I said, Return of the Jedi could have a dual meaning in that along with Anakin returning to the light side, Luke also became a Jedi. In that sense, the Jedi made a return. But along with the Jedi themselves returning, Anakin RETURNED from the dark side. He is the Jedi that the title refers to. He is the Jedi the entire saga focuses on. Make whatever you want of the title, as it is really neither here nor there because it does not change the fact that Anakin DID NOT DIE A SITH. You're not redeemed after you're dead. It's too late then. He redeemed himself while he was still alive. He died a Jedi.

Did you ever stop to look at the picture you posted? Who exactly is pictured on it? It's not Luke, is it? Maybe Revenge refers to the action Anakin took against Palpatine for lying to him and using him all those years?

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

Did you ever stop to look at the picture you posted? Who exactly is pictured on it? It's not Luke, is it? Maybe Revenge refers to what Anakin took on Palpatine?

Oh yes, I sure did, and I was thinking the exact same thing too.

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by Beast

You'll be waiting longer than 2012, if you mean the whole series on 3D Blu-Ray.

He's only releasing one a year. And there's no word if they'll get 3D releases right away or not.

2012 - The Phantom Menace
2013 - Attack Of The Clones
2014 - Revenge Of The Sith
2015 - A New Hope
2016 - The Empire Strikes Back
2017 - Return Of The Jedi

So it'll be at least 2017 if not 2018 before they'll be all out on 3D Blu-Ray, if they come out right away.

How can this be?.. George believes the world is ending in 2012.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

How can this be?.. George believes the world is ending in 2012.

If you believe Seth Rogen, who might just be being his usual doofy self and exaggerating a comment.

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Oh yes, I sure did, and I was thinking the exact same thing too.

It's funny, but Vader never looked particularly evil in that picture (to me). It's something I could never put a finger on... I know the mask can't convey feeling, but something about that pose or angle almost seems like he's looking back in contemplation and saying Damn, I've got to make this right.

[StereoMike]

I didn't know Seth Rogen could put a few words together to make a sentence. My dog has a higher IQ than him.

[Dalsk]

Originally Posted by Beast

You'll be waiting longer than 2012, if you mean the whole series on 3D Blu-Ray.

He's only releasing one a year. And there's no word if they'll get 3D releases right away or not.

2012 - The Phantom Menace
2013 - Attack Of The Clones
2014 - Revenge Of The Sith
2015 - A New Hope
2016 - The Empire Strikes Back
2017 - Return Of The Jedi

So it'll be at least 2017 if not 2018 before they'll be all out on 3D Blu-Ray, if they come out right away.

Or each movie will be released six months after their theater release, which means six months before the next.
And THEN an Ultimate box set.
That wouldn't surprise me from Lucas lol

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by Beast

If you believe Seth Rogen, who might just be being his usual doofy self and exaggerating a comment.

I don't know. I could see Seth exaggerating something George said... I could also just as easily see Goerge going off a world is ending tangent. I mean, you've got a major stoner & the world's second biggest geek (next to Bill Gates). Who's to say?

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

Or, alternatively, if Gui-Gon didn't have the hots for Anakin's mom, none of this would've happened int he first place.

Or after a suitably miserable life as a slave on the dirtball building up loads of anger and resentment Darth Sidious picks him up and begins teaching him his way.

Besides, Anakin eventually DOES destroy Darth Sidious... because Qui-Gon had the hots and introduced him to Padme and begat Luke, etc.

[bboisvert]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

You are forgetting that Star Wars is a six film saga, and that THE CENTRAL CHARACTER is Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader, not Luke Skywalker.

At the time of the RotJ's release, none of this was true.

You can retroactively apply that logic to the title, given what Lucas did after the fact. But this wasn't the case when the first three films were conceived, written, and filmed.

[OG Pooh]

I truly believe that part of why Anakin was the chosen one was because of his late training. Had he been trained properly and from the time he should have been, he may have never fallen. Had he not fallen there would have been no return. Now I know there's debate as to what the prophecy actually meant, but I believe that bringing the Force into balance required someone's fall & redemption. I think it has nothing to do with killing Sith, because like it or not, the Force actually has a light & a dark side. It wasn't about balancing power or the leadership, it was about balancing the Force itself. There is no Ying without Yang. Without both sides, there can't be balance.

[HumanMedia]

To the original poster, was there any mention of the 'return to the falcon in the sandstorm' scene from Jedi?

[bboisvert]

Originally Posted by Beast

It's no wonder why Yoda has serious reservations about training Luke. He was not only older than Anakin, but just as reckless.

Which makes you wonder, in turn, what the whole plan was here.

They go into exile at the end of RotS (why, exactly?) and the kids are split up. There are no attempts to train either child. Then, when Luke is hand-delivered to the only remaining Jedi in the galaxy -- the guy who planned the exile in the first place -- he doesn't want to train him.


The prequels frustrate the hell out of me.

[JJ]

Does anybody else think Jansen looked a little...uhh..."slow"?

And why did Hobbie randomly start bleeding?

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by bboisvert

At the time of the RotJ's release, none of this was true.

You can retroactively apply that logic to the title, given what Lucas did after the fact. But this wasn't the case when the first three films were conceived, written, and filmed.

Yes, it was true. GL has always stated that he only made the OT first because he wanted the fact that Luke was Vader's Son to be a revelation to the audience. The basic outline of the entire saga was always centered on Vader. This was common knowledge long before the PT was made. Hell, this was revealed by GL soon after the OT was complete. Just as we can only speculate what GL is doing right at this moment... Because the audience didn't know this prior to Jedi's release doesn't mean it wasn't the case.

Again, that's NOT Luke on the Revenge of the Jeidi poster... It IS Vader. Vader was the Jedi that Returned. Vader was the one taking revenge on Palpatine.

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by JJ

Does anybody else think Jansen looked a little...uhh..."slow"?

And why did Hobbie randomly start bleeding?

That always bothered me. Zit gone wrong?

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by bboisvert

Which makes you wonder, in turn, what the whole plan was here.

They go into exile at the end of RotS (why, exactly?) and the kids are split up. There are no attempts to train either child. Then, when Luke is hand-delivered to the only remaining Jedi in the galaxy -- the guy who planned the exile in the first place -- he doesn't want to train him.

He said he didn't want to train him. More than a little likely it was some reverse psychology there. But even so, "there was another..."

Mostly, though, they were making the best out of a bad situation and rolling with the punches, so they didn't plan the whole thing out any better than Lucas did in '77.

The prequels frustrate the hell out of me.

Don't over-analyze it and accept it for what it is and you'll feel much better.

[Monolithium]

Originally Posted by Beast

Indeed. Luke wasn't exactly the sharpest virbroblade in the drawer. Best to dumb things down for him.

Like father, like son.

[Beast]

Indeed. He was clearly testing Luke, to see how much patience he had. Same reason for his "Goofy Hermit" act.

Hence his dialogue to Obi-Wan: "I cannot teach him. The boy has no patience."

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

Yes, it was true. GL has always stated that he only made the OT first because he wanted the fact that Luke was Vader's Son to be a revelation to the audience. The basic outline of the entire saga was always centered on Vader. This was common knowledge long before the PT was made. Hell, this was revealed by GL soon after the OT was complete. Just as we can only speculate what GL is doing right at this moment... Because the audience didn't know this prior to Jedi's release doesn't mean it wasn't the case.

Again, that's NOT Luke on the Revenge of the Jeidi poster... It IS Vader. Vader was the Jedi that Returned. Vader was the one taking revenge on Palpatine.

Though I love the idea of 'Vader taking revenge on ol' Palps' angle on the title, I still disagree that it is referring to Vader.


And who's hands are holding this lightsaber in the release poster of the movie?

Originally Posted by HumanMedia

To the original poster, was there any mention of the 'return to the falcon in the sandstorm' scene from Jedi?

Yea, I am VERY curios about this cut scene also.