List of UHDs that utilize 4K or Higher Masters

[Pieter V]

For the list:

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Name some native 3D titles that have not looked as good or better than any conversion out there.

I was very unimpressed with X-Men DOFP whereas Titanic's conversion knocked my socks off. Edge of Tomorrow's conversion is awesome too. I know you don't wanna hear it, but there we are.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

For the list:

[Show spoiler]

Done.

[rjg77vett]

will

Originally Posted by puddy77

There is nothing on the packaging stating a UBD is 2k upscaled or 4k native. That's why this thread exists. Studios do not typically divulge that information. This thread is a place we can gather any information we can find about the source. We assume all discs are 2k upscales until they can be proven otherwise. Theoretically, there can be some discs out there that are native 4k but not on this list. If we can't find any proof of the 4k source, they are assumed to be 2k upscaled because that is the typical modus operandi of the studios.

Thanks for clarifying. This may have been asked before, any speculation on when native 4K will be available? Maybe the format specs are not yet finalized. I saw the 4K Revenent in Best Buy and it did look awesome.

Update: The thread Is 4k Blu-ray dying, or waiting to be born? answers a lot of questions. Native 4K movies will be released when the studios feel comfortable it will be a success. They'll make tons of money on the upscales for now as sales of UHD displays and players continue to grow.Personally, I'm going to wait 6 months or more.

[puddy77]

Originally Posted by rjg77vett

will

Thanks for clarifying. This may have been asked before, any speculation on when native 4K will be available? Maybe the format specs are not yet finalized. I saw the 4K Revenent in Best Buy and it did look awesome.

Update: The thread Is 4k Blu-ray dying, or waiting to be born? answers a lot of questions. Native 4K movies will be released when the studios feel comfortable it will be a success. They'll make tons of money on the upscales for now as sales of UHD displays and players continue to grow.Personally, I'm going to wait 6 months or more.

Native 4k is available now. That's what this thread is. See post 1. The Revenant is among them.

[rjg77vett]

Originally Posted by puddy77

Native 4k is available now. That's what this thread is. See post 1. The Revenant is among them.

Guess I got confused by "We assume all discs are 2k upscales until they can be proven otherwise." Am I dumb? How is this proven for the discs in post #1?

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by rjg77vett

Guess I got confused by "We assume all discs are 2k upscales until they can be proven otherwise." Am I dumb? How is this proven for the discs in post #1?

Usually through IMDB, but there are a few other reliable sources. The list on page is 1 is every UHD title that stems from a 4K DI.

[rjg77vett]

In the IMDB,I guess we are assuming disc manufacturers will use the listed, best sources under Technical Specs for UHD 4K versions. For example, The Revenent:

Cinematographic Process ARRIRAW (3.4K) (6.5K) (source format)
Digital Intermediate (4K) (master format)
Panavision (Anamorphic)
Redcode RAW (6K) (source format) (some scenes)

But, for The Martian, 2K DI is shown as the Master, meaning it's basically an upscale?

Cinematographic Process Digital Intermediate (2K) (master format)
H.264 (4K) (source format) (some shots)
Redcode RAW (6K) (also dual-strip 3-D) (source format)

[jono3000]

Originally Posted by rjg77vett

In the IMDB,I guess we are assuming disc manufacturers will use the listed, best sources under Technical Specs for UHD 4K versions. For example, The Revenent:

Cinematographic Process ARRIRAW (3.4K) (6.5K) (source format)
Digital Intermediate (4K) (master format)
Panavision (Anamorphic)
Redcode RAW (6K) (source format) (some scenes)

But, for The Martian, 2K DI is shown as the Master, meaning it's basically an upscale?

Cinematographic Process Digital Intermediate (2K) (master format)
H.264 (4K) (source format) (some shots)
Redcode RAW (6K) (also dual-strip 3-D) (source format)

The Martian:



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[rjg77vett]

Originally Posted by jono3000

The Martian:

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So much processing was involved after the upscale. Frame by frame. Maybe it works well for The Martian. I haven't seen the 4K version. We can't trust other disc makers to be so diligent. Being a recent film, I wonder why the master is not 4K in the first place. It's all confusing. No wonder folks turn to religion.

[Megalith]

That Martian blurb is literally retarded and must have come from a marketing shill. It's the equivalent of a photographer upscaling a shot in Photoshop and then proceeding to do the retouching.

[elwaylite]

So ya'll gotta beat this dead ass horse, again?

[RockyIII]

Is Suicide Squad native 4K?

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Is Suicide Squad native 4K?

No. It was shot in 35mm, which is slightly higher than 4K (2160p), but it received a 2K DI. Warner seems to only do 4K scans of their flagship titles.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

No. It was shot in 35mm, which is slightly higher than 4K (2160p), but it received a 2K DI. Warner seems to only do 4K scans of their flagship titles.

Then why does it look like dog poop? Even the HD bluray looks better, sadly enough

[elwaylite]

WB's is one of the ones doing UHD at 4000 nits vs 1000 IIRC, which can be problematic. It is the whole problem with the process.

And Suicide Squad on Blu looked great at times, others not so much. And that is on a pro cal'd OLED.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

WB's is one of the ones doing UHD at 4000 nits vs 1000 IIRC, which can be problematic. It is the whole problem with the process.

And Suicide Squad on Blu looked great at times, others not so much. And that is on a pro cal'd OLED.

That is what I said. How can the bluray look better PQ-wise than the UHD?

[elwaylite]

Because UHD/HDR is the wild west and studios are kinda doing what the hell they want. If you want an honest answer.

Its been all over the place for me which is why I have stopped using HDR.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

Because UHD/HDR is the wild west and studios are kinda doing what the hell they want. If you want an honest answer.

Its been all over the place for me which is why I have stopped using HDR.

But still. I thought that even the worst UHD would look better than the best bluray. You have 2160 vs 1080, WCG, HDR, yet the quality is so underwhelming??...I honestly stopped 20 minutes into the movie and watched it all over again on bluray, and that was much more fun to watch! Plus bluray contains the Extended Cut which the UHD does not

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

But still. I thought that even the worst UHD would look better than the best bluray. You have 2160 vs 1080, WCG, HDR, yet the quality is so underwhelming??...

You thought wrong, the best Blu-ray is definetely better than the worst UHD