8K discussion thread

[Geoff D]

Ditto. If 8K is where high end LCD production is going to end up - just as 4K panel production quickly usurped 1080p for the premium large screens - then that's where I'll probably end up, though until they return to per-LED backlight control then I'll be keeping my options open.

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

No I was saying that calling the Sammy Meh is just as stupid as comparing it to an own brand tv

Really? So my measured which leads to my “meh” on the Samsung 8K is stupid. So what method is not stupid? Because the colour inaccuracies on the 900 is pretty high (even post calibration) to warrant their price. Have you measured the Samsung yourself? SMH

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Ditto. If 8K is where high end LCD production is going to end up - just as 4K panel production quickly usurped 1080p for the premium large screens - then that's where I'll probably end up, though until they return to per-LED backlight control then I'll be keeping my options open.

That is one thing I absolutely require should I upgrade. So until Sony MicroLEDs will become available, it will have to be either the individually LED controlled implementation of the BMD again or a Sony MiniLED.

[tvine2000]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Why you shouldn't buy an 8K TV in 2019

Some TV makers have already introduced 8K TVs, while others will join the race later this year. But there are lots of reasons why you shouldn’t buy an 8K TV this year. Allow us to explain.

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1563529662

Again Lee great piece and the gods truth. Anybody that buys into 8K now is just stupid and will have buyer remorse later. Think before you act because you don't have to have the latest greatest , now.

[tvine2000]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Other than Samsung who has an easy upgrade path to HDMI 2.1 with the One Connect box, who forgot to included HDMI 2.1 on their 8K TVs?

It's not Sony, LG or Sharp.

I like how they say "forgot". come on They know what there doing. Later they will ''remember'' and everyone will have to upgrade there 8K tv. It's the oldest trick in the book. So a dealer like yourself have some kind of power we consumers don't have. Wouldn't be a good idea to call the manufacturers out that ''forget''!
We know once 8K become mainstream or ready at the consumer level all of a sudden what they ''forgot'' they will ''remember''. Meanwhile dumb ass people buy into 8K. If I was a dealer I would not put a 8K TV in my store until it's ready for prime time. Screw Samsung and the rest of them. And if all dealers would do that, it would force them to put out a product , any product that's better and ready. Lets get 4K right and Dolby Vision right first. You know the watered down 10 bit panel version of Dolby vision. You know what I mean.

[tvine2000]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Full spec HDMI 2.1? That can be a gotcha.



And where's the content? Answer: There isn't going to be much of anything for years to come.

To sound like a broken record, there isn't a lot of true 4k content as it is and HDR mastering is all over the place.


4k should have been ironed out first.

Thanks for this ,spot on and getting real, which we need more of here. Yeah lets fix 4K before they try the 8K thing on us. Once again companies pushing technology not even close to ready. Here's something else ,Hollywood shots in 4K ,finishes the movie with 2k DI and we get upscaled 4K! And what is native 4K anyways .Does that mean it was shot in 4K and the 4K disc reflects that? And yes HDR is a mess. No standard so every body does it they way. Dolby Vision with no 12 bit panels (being 12 bit technology) is fake Dolby Vision or the 10 bit HDR 10+ So keep the broken record going man until manufacturers get the message which is were not stupid and were on to you.

[tvine2000]

Originally Posted by Staying Salty

8K is Closer than You Think

https://displaydaily.com/article/152...than-you-think




Our thread for one stop shopping for our 8K news.

My question is, if they build it, will we come?

I'll tell you why Samsung had bad 2nd quarter, simple the Qled line for 2019 sucks compared to the 2018 Qled line. Sony same thing The X950G has horrible blacks and a huge blooming issue when viewed in a darkroom. If you can pick up a 2018 Sony or Samsung you better off. These two companies really dropped the ball this year .

[tvine2000]

Originally Posted by grodd

The QLED is very overpriced for what you get compared to other comparable LCD TV's like Vizio or Sony. In some ways the current QLED is worse than the 2016 models.

Samsung has made some major mistakes lately (especially 2017) and will be interesting to see where they go next year. I don't see 8K next year, and it won't really help with their blooming problems either. They need to look at better local dimmer technology like Sony or they will find themselves dookin it out for bottom place again.

The only saving grace seems to be the anti reflective screen which helps them in brightly lit rooms.

Sony also has problems this year. the X950G has horrible blacks and big time blooming issues. Its not just Samsung.2018 was a better year for TVS anyway. Sonys problem is they are putting eggs in the basket of OLED and cut back there LED lines. Again 2018 was better for Sony. Vizio has it's issues too. You get what you pay for , lets not forget that.Cheaper TVs mean cheap. Something is missing compared to the higher end tvs.

[sapiendut]

the X950G is essentially a glorified X900F but with X1U processing chip, which is amazing. However, it can't "fix" the low-number zones of X900E/F. I'd still get an X950G if I don't already own the X900F.

[tvine2000]

Originally Posted by JoeDeM

I say no, they won't. and that coming from someone who has seen the 8k displays in person. Content is everything, and without that it's meaningless.

The big question for me is will there be physical media with 8K? And even if they do physical media what that going to look like. Right now most 4K movies are upscaled from a 2K di because the studio finished film in 2k! Yes we have some native 4K but not enough because hollywood does anything to save money on there end. My point with 8K is will we see native 8K or upscaled to 8K and what's that look like? Were about reaching are own limit with our eyesight with 4K! And that's at 20/20 vision.

[tvine2000]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Amen to that. There is nothing trivial about recording, storing, transporting, and furnishing 8k content via physical storage or over a network. People complain about 2K DI vs 4K DI, what studio is going to provide 8K DI?

None, they can't make ''money'' which is all there is with them.

[tvine2000]

Originally Posted by krismate

Presumably, with 8K TVs (maybe not right out of the gate) would come 12 or 14 bit panels, higher peak brightness etc. Once that happens, yes, people will be buying.

Which is ultimately very frustrating as 4K vs 8K strictly in terms of resolution is a complete waste of bandwidth. Bandwidth we already don't really have. It's too bad the manufacturers don't simply work together a little more and agree to stick with 2160p resolution but increase bit depth and HDR capabilities.

Also, as for Samsung, they are almost certainly going to be releasing an actual QLED soon, as in, an emissive Qdot display similar an OLED.

They could do 12 bit panels with 4K and with that 12 bit depth 2 things happen
1. you see 64 billion colors and 2. we get true Dolby vision which we don't with 10 bit panels ''Dolby vision at the present is a watered down 10 bit version of dolby vision or really HDR10+ wrapped in a Dolby Vision logo. Wake up people there raking you across the coals with Dolby Vision with 10 bit panels.

[tvine2000]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Exactly. 8k displays will be made, for sure, but it's not like there's going to be 8k broadcast, 8k discs or 8k native content for a long ass time.

Right now Netflix, HULU, Amazon prime and a few others have 4K HDR content.
Cable does not meaning NBC,ABC, CBS. Some are still broadcasting in 720p!
CNN 720P some 1080p programing. And I doubt they will ever catch up. It's costs money for these corporations to retool. And as far as there concerned what there broadcasting in is good enough for the average viewer. As far as I'm concerned these guys can come out with 24K and it doesn't mean a thing ,they are cutting off there nose to spite there face.Another words it's going to bite them in the ass at some point.

[Robert Zohn]

I'm a proponent of 12bit panels, but they won't do much as the best content we have is 10bit so you won't see much if any improvement with a 12bit panel without 12bit content.

Even Dolby Vision 12bit does not support any extra bit depth. Dolby Vision is native to 12bit, but with 10bit content.

The advantage with Dolby Vision or HDR10+ content is the frame-by-frame luminance level metadata and that can be read by Dolby Vision or HDR10+ 10bit capable TVs.

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by tvine2000

Dolby vision at the present is a watered down 10 bit version of dolby vision or really HDR10+ wrapped in a Dolby Vision logo. Wake up people there raking you across the coals with Dolby Vision with 10 bit panels.

Wow! The level of cluelessness is high with this one.

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by tvine2000

The big question for me is will there be physical media with 8K? And even if they do physical media what that going to look like. Right now most 4K movies are upscaled from a 2K di because the studio finished film in 2k! Yes we have some native 4K but not enough because hollywood does anything to save money on there end. My point with 8K is will we see native 8K or upscaled to 8K and what's that look like? Were about reaching are own limit with our eyesight with 4K! And that's at 20/20 vision.

Oh god! Not another “2K DI is useless” post

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

I'm a proponent of 12bit panels, but they won't do much as the best content we have is 10bit so you won't see much if any improvement with a 12bit panel without 12bit content.

Even Dolby Vision 12bit does not support any extra bit depth. Dolby Vision is native to 12bit, but with 10bit content.

The advantage with Dolby Vision or HDR10+ content is the frame-by-frame luminance level metadata and that can be read by Dolby Vision or HDR10+ 10bit capable TVs.

Is there a reason why 8K content can't be created using a 12 bit color depth? Changing the CD from 10 bit to 12 bit has little effect on the bandwidth required:



If the TV OEMs really want to make 8K the "must have" TV they are going to have to do more than just add pixels. They found this out when they first introduced 4K TVs. They need another "HDR/WCG" addition to make their 8K TVs better than their 4K TVs. And no - 12 bit color depth by itself isn't enough. And they need to concentrate their efforts on the 65 to 75" sizes. That is what consumers are buying today.

There has to be an effort made by the TV OEMs to work with Hollywood and the Broadcasters to make 8K the best format ever. NOW . . . befgore the specs are cast in concrete.

[sapiendut]

Perhaps eventually they’ll use 12-bit. Just like they upped from 8 bit for HD to 10 bit for UHD.

[Lee A Stewart]

Momentum Signs Emerge In 8K UHD TV Ecosystem

The evolution of the 8K TV market continues to plod along in 2019 with the approaching release of the world’s first 8K OLED Ultra HDTV and the announcement that IC chip maker Realtek has introduced a new chip that can upscale 4K Ultra HD and lower-refresh rate 8K/30p video to 8K/60p images.

In addition, video gaming giants Sony and Microsoft are each readying next-gen console platforms with support for up to 8K resolution gaming by 2020, according to Asian tech-industry trade site Digitimes.
Both Microsoft’s Xbox Project Scarlet and Sony’s PlayStation 5 reportedly will feature similar specs for CPU power, SSD storage capacity and 8K video support.

Digitimes speculated that since both gaming giants have made accommodations for 8K in their platform designs, 8K gaming is likely to become a strong early native content driver of 8K video displays and related devices.

However, buyer beware that the complete specs for these consoles have not been released yet and first and second-generation 8K TVs made not support all of the needed hardware or software to accommodate the what ultimately hits the market.

Meanwhile, the 8K ecosystem will also have a large presence in commercial markets including the medical, manufacturing and security industries.

https://hdguru.com/momentum-signs-em...-tv-ecosystem/

[REPLAY]

Originally Posted by tvine2000

I like how they say "forgot". come on They know what there doing. Later they will ''remember'' and everyone will have to upgrade there 8K tv. It's the oldest trick in the book. So a dealer like yourself have some kind of power we consumers don't have. Wouldn't be a good idea to call the manufacturers out that ''forget''!
We know once 8K become mainstream or ready at the consumer level all of a sudden what they ''forgot'' they will ''remember''. Meanwhile dumb ass people buy into 8K. If I was a dealer I would not put a 8K TV in my store until it's ready for prime time. Screw Samsung and the rest of them. And if all dealers would do that, it would force them to put out a product , any product that's better and ready. Lets get 4K right and Dolby Vision right first. You know the watered down 10 bit panel version of Dolby vision. You know what I mean.

I have a Sony 900F, a Oppo 203, and a Panasonic 9000. Dolby Vision looks like CRAP I do not even use it. Only use HDR10. Way too dark. Lets get DV right.