Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) (Skynet Edition) - Page 24 - Blu-ray Forum

kobeeightjp · 05-12-2009, 02:39 AM

the picture quality will be as delicious as blueberry pancakes for those of us who havent seen the movie at all on blu.

jd213 · 05-12-2009, 02:56 AM

Looks like Ahnuld got downgraded from a T-800 to a T-600.

(someone pointed out that the Skynet Edition wasn't expanded to PC levels and the Geneon version was in this pic, so it's not a perfect comparison but still shows off the loss of detail)

cembros · 05-12-2009, 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd213

Looks like Ahnuld got downgraded from a T-800 to a T-600.

(someone pointed out that the Skynet Edition wasn't expanded to PC levels and the Geneon version was in this pic, so it's not a perfect comparison but still shows off the loss of detail)

i havent read all the previous posts so maybe im behind, but from what i understand these 2 editions are the same transfer

jd213 · 05-12-2009, 03:45 AM

They probably are, but one has DNR and the other doesn't (or just has much less).

cembros · 05-12-2009, 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd213

They probably are, but one has DNR and the other doesn't (or just has much less).

what makes you say that though, other than the screen shot you refrenced.

jd213 · 05-12-2009, 04:17 AM

There's more screenshots here: https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movie...24&show=review

They all look DNR'd to me, and people who have seen it in motion say the same thing ("This VC-1 encoded "Skynet Edition" seems to have more in the way of noise reduction applied to it versus the previous release"), so I'll be sticking with my Geneon release until a new restoration is done.

cembros · 05-12-2009, 04:24 AM

im sur eit has dnr,but does the japanese have none. If it does have dnr what makes you say that the skynet release is more significant?

jd213 · 05-12-2009, 04:28 AM

Insiders have said that all releases contain DNR to some extent. I have the Geneon release and noticed no DNR when watching it or when looking at screenshots, can't say the same about the screenshots for the Skynet Edition so I have no reason to purchase it to confirm if I can see it in motion.

If you don't see a significant differentce in the comparison I shared earlier, then I'm sure you'll be happy with the Skynet Edition.

cembros · 05-12-2009, 05:10 AM

there is a significant difference, but even you said that its not a fair comparison. Even looking at it the 2 pictures are not the same shot. One is croped more than the other. That is why i asked if you had info other than the screenshot

jd213 · 05-12-2009, 05:14 AM

I don't think it's a perfect comparison but I think it's fair enough for me to choose the Geneon release over the Skynet Edition. YMMV.

drtre81 · 05-12-2009, 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd213

Looks like Ahnuld got downgraded from a T-800 to a T-600.

(someone pointed out that the Skynet Edition wasn't expanded to PC levels and the Geneon version was in this pic, so it's not a perfect comparison but still shows off the loss of detail)

left:VIZIO right:SAMSUNG

Prof. Utonium · 05-12-2009, 06:01 AM

The screencap of the Skynet edition above doesn't look correct to me. We've heard from a few different reviewers that the contrast and black levels were better than previous editions, yet it looks washed out there. I suspect the levels were thrown askew by whatever software was used to capture the image.

Also, is it possible that the Geneon edition has the same (or similar) level of DNR, but the added "detail" is present because of EE? On other caps I've seen of previous T2 Blu-rays, there's been an edginess present. In fact, in that crop you can see some haloing around Arnold's face and the collar of his jacket.

aggienader08 · 05-12-2009, 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd213

They probably are, but one has DNR and the other doesn't (or just has much less).

This may sound really stupid and I should probably know this, so please don't criticize me, but what does the D in DNR (blank... noise reduction) stand for? Is it digital? I know that it supposedly diminishes the quality when they use DNR but isn't it necessary for transfers? Please enlighten me because I have been wondering about this for a while, such as how to truly spot DNR.

Prof. Utonium · 05-12-2009, 06:15 AM

Hi aggienader08,

Yes indeed, the "D" in DNR does stand for digital.

Here is a good primer on DNR, along with several examples: http://www.cinedrome.ch/hometheater/dvd/dnr/

pro-bassoonist · 05-12-2009, 07:19 AM

Maraba Eastkhan!

Unfortunately, the only BD disc I had to compare the Skynet Edition to was the old Region-A Lionsgate release. This being said, the Skynet edition has a special Thank You section where Studio Canal, Optimum, Kinowelt and Lionsgate are all listed as contributors. So, as far as I am concerned, the new French, UK, German and US releases should have identical transfers.

By the way, you might want to pick a Region-B disc since all three - German (Kinowelt), French (Canal), and UK (Optimum) - offer optional Turkish subtitles.

Pro-B

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eastkhan

Pro-b,

did you have the time to compare

lionsgate skynet BD vs. new studiocanal BD (UK/FR steelbook) ?

VanLing states it was a collaboration of lionsgate and studiocanal,

yet the first lionsgate BD and studiocanal BD (released in UK/FR) were different, I wanna make sure if the new releases are same/different.

+ were you able to check the famous japanese Geneon BD? If yes, how does it hold up to these new releases?

Thank you for your news/infos/reviews, keep up the good work

Marcuslaw · 05-12-2009, 10:35 AM

BD Producer Van Ling denies any "conscious" decision by the producers of T2: Skynet Ed. to apply DNR. He says that "what I can tell you is that there was no conscious choice to apply DNR to anything. Whether that makes my judgment less respectable in your eyes is of course your own opinion." Earlier, he said "[t]he film transfer of T2 seen on the Skynet Edition was originally done in 2003 for the T2 Extreme DVD, and was telecined under the supervision of both Lightstorm and THX. Both approved the transfer. In 2006, we took that same transfer, ran it by Lightstorm again for approval, then encoded it in MPEG2 for the first BD release. * * * For the current release, we took the SAME approved HD master that we used in 2006, and put it through the manual dirt-cleaning process I detailed above."

Read the full text of his comments here

Eastkhan · 05-12-2009, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

Maraba Eastkhan!

Unfortunately, the only BD disc I had to compare the Skynet Edition to was the old Region-A Lionsgate release. This being said, the Skynet edition has a special Thank You section where Studio Canal, Optimum, Kinowelt and Lionsgate are all listed as contributors. So, as far as I am concerned, the new French, UK, German and US releases should have identical transfers.

By the way, you might want to pick a Region-B disc since all three - German (Kinowelt), French (Canal), and UK (Optimum) - offer optional Turkish subtitles.

Pro-B

Merhaba !

Think especially the "thank you" section shows StudioCanal (=Optium=Kinowelt) & Lionsgate have worked together. Should be the same master.

Still, Lionsgate might have chosen to encode it differently etc.. but the differences should be small.

The Problem here lies within the transfer; its still the old one.

So if any digital manipulations/alterations are done at "transfer level" (=wrong policy cause you cant correct it anymore unless you have a new transfer (costly); but it happened a lot back in time & still happens; Anchor Bay, some Fox titles etc...), then unless J. Cameron authorizes a brand new transfer you should not order every T2 BD thats sold as new (= Like me, ordered everything...

) because you may be disappointed due to the marginal differences among them.

Thank you Pro-B !

P.s: what about japanese Geneon BD's history, its transfer/master etc. if anybody knows it, or compared it to new releases, I'd really appreciate.

DigitalfreakNYC · 05-12-2009, 01:13 PM

If you're interested, my Best Buy shows this as "in stock" right now. Might go pick it up now.

Stuart_Larkin · 05-12-2009, 03:06 PM

For myself in the end despite the price I will be getting the Limited Edition Endoskull because it's something i will be glad to have. But it does bother me that is the reason i'm buying it.
Here is the thing, I think i own more editions of Terminator 2 then ANY movie you'd think that it was my favorite movie but it's not even close. When I first got the Playstation 3 it was the first blu-ray i bought. But I also have the Ultimate edition DVD and the Extreme Edition still i own more versions of this film.... I DO know that when buying this one that I will probably end up buying this film again looking for the perfect version. So I will probably just end up replacing the discs that are inside the skull with the better edition. But I was also thinking that when T1 T3 get better editions and T4 comes out on blu-ray I will just put them all in the skull.

brettallica · 05-12-2009, 03:18 PM

All this talk about DNR this and that is making me "worried" about this new release. I still have my original Blu release of this film, but have pretty much conceded to the double-dip for the Skynet edition coming out next week.

Is there actually a confirmation that this new one is better or worse than the one from a few years ago?

05-12-2009, 10:35 AM	#476
Marcuslaw Active Member Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Somewhere warm Blu-ray reviews: 38	Van Denies DNR on T2 Skynet BR BD Producer Van Ling denies any "conscious" decision by the producers of T2: Skynet Ed. to apply DNR. He says that "what I can tell you is that there was no conscious choice to apply DNR to anything. Whether that makes my judgment less respectable in your eyes is of course your own opinion." Earlier, he said "[t]he film transfer of T2 seen on the Skynet Edition was originally done in 2003 for the T2 Extreme DVD, and was telecined under the supervision of both Lightstorm and THX. Both approved the transfer. In 2006, we took that same transfer, ran it by Lightstorm again for approval, then encoded it in MPEG2 for the first BD release. * * * For the current release, we took the SAME approved HD master that we used in 2006, and put it through the manual dirt-cleaning process I detailed above." Read the full text of his comments here

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05-12-2009, 02:39 AM	#461
kobeeightjp Active Member Member since:Dec 2008 Home Theater Gallery:12 Blu-ray collection:75 Blu-ray reviews:11 Trading Score:1	the picture quality will be as delicious as blueberry pancakes for those of us who havent seen the movie at all on blu.

05-12-2009, 02:56 AM	#462
jd213 Special Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:less than 10 minutes from Akihabara	Looks like Ahnuld got downgraded from a T-800 to a T-600. (someone pointed out that the Skynet Edition wasn't expanded to PC levels and the Geneon version was in this pic, so it's not a perfect comparison but still shows off the loss of detail)

05-12-2009, 03:45 AM	#464
jd213 Special Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:less than 10 minutes from Akihabara	They probably are, but one has DNR and the other doesn't (or just has much less).

05-12-2009, 04:17 AM	#466
jd213 Special Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:less than 10 minutes from Akihabara	There's more screenshots here: https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movie...24&show=review They all look DNR'd to me, and people who have seen it in motion say the same thing ("This VC-1 encoded "Skynet Edition" seems to have more in the way of noise reduction applied to it versus the previous release"), so I'll be sticking with my Geneon release until a new restoration is done.

05-12-2009, 04:24 AM	#467
cembros Power Member Member since:Jan 2008 Blu-ray collection:456 Trading Score:4	im sur eit has dnr,but does the japanese have none. If it does have dnr what makes you say that the skynet release is more significant?

05-12-2009, 04:28 AM	#468
jd213 Special Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:less than 10 minutes from Akihabara	Insiders have said that all releases contain DNR to some extent. I have the Geneon release and noticed no DNR when watching it or when looking at screenshots, can't say the same about the screenshots for the Skynet Edition so I have no reason to purchase it to confirm if I can see it in motion. If you don't see a significant differentce in the comparison I shared earlier, then I'm sure you'll be happy with the Skynet Edition.

05-12-2009, 05:10 AM	#469
cembros Power Member Member since:Jan 2008 Blu-ray collection:456 Trading Score:4	there is a significant difference, but even you said that its not a fair comparison. Even looking at it the 2 pictures are not the same shot. One is croped more than the other. That is why i asked if you had info other than the screenshot

05-12-2009, 05:14 AM	#470
jd213 Special Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:less than 10 minutes from Akihabara	I don't think it's a perfect comparison but I think it's fair enough for me to choose the Geneon release over the Skynet Edition. YMMV.

05-12-2009, 06:01 AM	#472
Prof. Utonium Active Member Member since:Dec 2008 Location:Townsville, USA 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:-	The screencap of the Skynet edition above doesn't look correct to me. We've heard from a few different reviewers that the contrast and black levels were better than previous editions, yet it looks washed out there. I suspect the levels were thrown askew by whatever software was used to capture the image. Also, is it possible that the Geneon edition has the same (or similar) level of DNR, but the added "detail" is present because of EE? On other caps I've seen of previous T2 Blu-rays, there's been an edginess present. In fact, in that crop you can see some haloing around Arnold's face and the collar of his jacket.

05-12-2009, 06:15 AM	#474
Prof. Utonium Active Member Member since:Dec 2008 Location:Townsville, USA 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:-	Hi aggienader08, Yes indeed, the "D" in DNR does stand for digital. Here is a good primer on DNR, along with several examples: http://www.cinedrome.ch/hometheater/dvd/dnr/

05-12-2009, 01:13 PM	#478
DigitalfreakNYC Banned Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Astoria, NY Trading Score:9	If you're interested, my Best Buy shows this as "in stock" right now. Might go pick it up now.

05-12-2009, 03:06 PM	#479
Stuart_Larkin Senior Member Member since:Apr 2007 Blu-ray collection:521 DVD collection:4	For myself in the end despite the price I will be getting the Limited Edition Endoskull because it's something i will be glad to have. But it does bother me that is the reason i'm buying it. Here is the thing, I think i own more editions of Terminator 2 then ANY movie you'd think that it was my favorite movie but it's not even close. When I first got the Playstation 3 it was the first blu-ray i bought. But I also have the Ultimate edition DVD and the Extreme Edition still i own more versions of this film.... I DO know that when buying this one that I will probably end up buying this film again looking for the perfect version. So I will probably just end up replacing the discs that are inside the skull with the better edition. But I was also thinking that when T1 T3 get better editions and T4 comes out on blu-ray I will just put them all in the skull.

05-12-2009, 03:18 PM	#480
brettallica Blu-ray Samurai Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Santa Cruz, California Home Theater Gallery:51 Blu-ray collection:79 Trading Score:6	All this talk about DNR this and that is making me "worried" about this new release. I still have my original Blu release of this film, but have pretty much conceded to the double-dip for the Skynet edition coming out next week. Is there actually a confirmation that this new one is better or worse than the one from a few years ago?

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