The Anime Blu-ray Video Quality Thread

[BigOnAnime]

It's been over 2 years since I updated it, but the link in my signature also takes you to caps of various releases, though a few don't seem to work anymore unfortunately.

[BigOnAnime]

Looking at the Fandom Post thread, the Blu-ray is based off of the Japanese Blu-ray masters. Also I completely forgot about this, but Discotek accidentally released the show edited. The 2016 DVD re-release is uncut. These quotes came from page 5. I'd recommend reading through the thread there for more info (way too much stuff to quote), note the ImageShack links in the thread don't work, so there's a comparison that doesn't work anymore.

Originally Posted by chronoclast

The dub on the BD is the edited Toonami version. Whenever characters say things like kill, blood, or smoke, the dialogue is changed. What's worse is the uncut dub is still streaming on Hulu. I'm assuming Discotek's DVD is also edited but no one noticed?

Here's a list of the edits. It's just the dialogue from that list that's edited, the video is uncut.

Between this and their crappy GTO release, I'm not pre-ordering from Discotek anymore.

Originally Posted by chronoclast

Yes it's the same upscale from the Japanese BD.

Originally Posted by chronoclast

Curiosity got me so I bought the DVD. First thing, the dub is is the same edited Toonami version as on the BD. That irritates the hell out of me. I really don't appreciate being told completely wrong information by a company rep. How hard is it for them to check their own product? I even gave them a list of the edits. The only way now to get the uncut dub is either buy the Bandai DVDs or watch it for free on Hulu.

They were correct about the video being sourced from the Blue Fleet box set though. The video quality on the DVD is a lot better IMO. It's not DNR'd and smeared like the BD is.

The audio quality however is worse though that's expected since it's DVD. The dub especially sounds flat. The lossless audio for both English and Japanese is much better on the BD.

DVD audio specs:
English Dolby Digital 2.0 (384 kbps)
Japanese Dolby Digital 5.1 (384 kbps)

The DVD and BD each have their own exclusive extras. The DVD has Cartoon Network spots and Bandai Entertainment trailers. The BD has a directors interview, a creator interview, and the English credits. The rest of the extras are the same.

I haven't decided yet which one I'm keeping. There's pros and cons to both.

[BigOnAnime]

Well something to consider is also extras. Unfortunately the RightStuf listing nor the back cover (from what I see on eBay) for the 2016 release lists extras, and there were exclusive extras to both the original Discotek DVD and the Blu-ray. If anyone has the 2016 release and can list the extras or share a screenshot, that'd be helpful, especially also for my extras thread that I badly need to get back to working on.

[Naiera]

Originally Posted by slerch666

... using a good player, it looks fantastic in motion.

Please Teacher is horrible in motion here. So bad I figure there might be something wrong. It has the choppiest pans and zooms I can recall seeing in anime.

[slerch666]

Originally Posted by Naiera

Please Teacher is horrible in motion here. So bad I figure there might be something wrong. It has the choppiest pans and zooms I can recall seeing in anime.

Looking at Twins in depth, I can see what you mean.

Thing is, it's been so long since I've had a 1080i release of a digital show. Not sure what to even compare it to.

[slerch666]

Sigh. So sad.

Maiden Japan/Sentai/whatever other company ADV became that might do SD on BD have not fixed their processes for SD on BD yet. Assuming they do.

Just got the Armored Troop VOTOMS OVA Collection 1 and it has the same 24p at 30p issues they had on all their other SD on BD stuff. Disappointing but I guess not surprising as this one was likely in the manufacturing pipeline. I REALLY hope they fix this if they keep doing SD on BD...

Screen caps taken via VDUB2.

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BDInfo

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                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00007.MPLS                                                      AVC     0:57:08 0               35,848,003,792  0.00    0.00    DTS-HD Master 2.0 (48kHz/24-bit)

DISC INFO:

Disc Label:     Votoms C2 BD-1
Disc Size:      35,848,003,792 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BDInfo:         0.7.5.5

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00007.MPLS
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Size:                   0 bytes
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VIDEO:

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-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        0 kbps              480i / 29.970 fps / 4:3 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             Japanese        0 kbps          2.0 / 48 kHz / 24-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 24-bit)

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Presentation Graphics           English         0.000 kbps                      

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[slerch666]

For the record, because I am a butthole, I emailed Sentai tech support to ask for the 3:2 pulldown method over forcing to 30 fps and adding these torn frames. Hopefully they didn't block my email address lol

[chronoclast]

Originally Posted by BigOnAnime

Well something to consider is also extras. Unfortunately the RightStuf listing nor the back cover (from what I see on eBay) for the 2016 release lists extras, and there were exclusive extras to both the original Discotek DVD and the Blu-ray. If anyone has the 2016 release and can list the extras or share a screenshot, that'd be helpful, especially also for my extras thread that I badly need to get back to working on.

The 2016 DVD release has zero extras actually. The disc only has the episodes with four audio tracks:

English 2.0 DD uncut, English 2.0 DD edited, Japanese 5.1 DTS, and Japanese 5.1 DD.

I've owned the BD and both DVDs for Blue Submarine from Discotek. From what I remember, the video quality is the same on both DVDs. I tried to recover the screenshots I posted of the 2013 DVD over on Fandom Post but I was unable to. I only own the 2016 DVD now but I could take screenshots of it if desired.

[professorwho]

Well, the one thing I will give Sentai/Maiden Japan is that they use lossless audio on their releases, whereas Discotek doesn’t. (Well, Nuku Nuku is the sole exception, so I really don’t count it as what they normally do.)

[MrSniper1401]

Did anyone ever receive their replacement discs for ReZero Pt 1 and see how they compare to the original release?

[pikagreg]

Originally Posted by MrSniper1401

Did anyone ever receive their replacement discs for ReZero Pt 1 and see how they compare to the original release?

An employee on their discord server mentioned they should start shipping out around April 16th. I would expect them to be comparable to Part 1 which wasn't good but at least better than the Crunchyroll stream lol

[Hek_qwerr]

not bd related but does anyone know if the bandai and funimation releases of angel links are identical?

[Blastar]

Sorry this is probably totally out of the blue, but what are these effects at the bottom edges of the frame called? Is it due too bad film or something else I'm unaware of? It only happens on a few frames, but happens enough to be pretty distracting. Just been nagging me for some time now and thought I'd pick the minds here.

(Screens of the Ronin Warriors old Bandai DVDs for reference)

[professorwho]

^^^
It looks like VHS Tracking? (That's just my random guess)

[Dailyan]

Originally Posted by Blastar

Sorry this is probably totally out of the blue, but what are these effects at the bottom edges of the frame called? Is it due too bad film or something else I'm unaware of? It only happens on a few frames, but happens enough to be pretty distracting. Just been nagging me for some time now and thought I'd pick the minds here.

Looks like a film splice.

[kevers7290]

I asked Sentai (on Facebook of all places) about the new Gatchaman release, asking if it would feature a new encode. Surprisingly, I got a response:

"The encode is new (the masters are 1080p, which is the standard for BD releases). The extras are not, however."

I'm a tad confused though. Were the masters for the previous release sub-HD and upscaled? Perhaps they thought I was referring to the DVD release?

[Dailyan]

Originally Posted by kevers7290

I'm a tad confused though. Were the masters for the previous release sub-HD and upscaled? Perhaps they thought I was referring to the DVD release?

"Gatchaman" was definitely scanned from the original 16mm elements. They probably thought you meant DVD.

[kevers7290]

Originally Posted by Dailyan

"Gatchaman" was definitely scanned from the original 16mm elements. They probably thought you meant DVD.

OK cool. I really didn't want to have to re-buy this since I bought it dirt cheap during one of Sentai's sales.

[slerch666]

I received the FMP Complete Stories JP box yesterday. I can provide comparisons of FMP, Fumofu, and TSR if there is interest.

I can already tell you, THIS is the way I will watch these shows from now on. The TSR op/ed doesn't jerk like crazy because they screwed up the cadence. As I understand it, they were animated at the 24 fps. The show proper was 30 fps. Why? IDFK. But it DEFINITELY screwed up the FUNimation release on BD, no question.

Also, someone was asking about Yamato 2199 and 2202. Interest in comparing those?

[slerch666]

Originally Posted by kevers7290

I asked Sentai (on Facebook of all places) about the new Gatchaman release, asking if it would feature a new encode. Surprisingly, I got a response:

"The encode is new (the masters are 1080p, which is the standard for BD releases). The extras are not, however."

Was there an issue with the previous encode? If there was, I might be convinced to upgrade.