The Anime Blu-ray Video Quality Thread - Page 309 - Blu-ray Forum

kevers7290 · 08-23-2021, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpaceDandy

Only in Japan. There has been no indication so far that the extended version will be released elsewhere in any form. Since the title is distributed by Manga UK around the world, you would have to ask them.

Sorry for slightly derailing this thread, but is this the extended release?

https://www.amazon.co.jp/aaa-c-Oeaa-...=AN1VRQENFRJN5

SpaceDandy · 08-23-2021, 07:45 PM

On a more positive note, in comparison to yesterday mess:

Detective Conan Movie 1 - The Time-Bombed Skyscraper (France - Black Box)
Authoring: IDP Home Video
Movie capture (no spoiler)

Bitrate (Avg 24.87, max 37.56 Mbps)
MediaInfo:

[Show spoiler]

Code:

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Duration                                 : 1 h 34 min
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Overall bit rate                         : 27.7 Mb/s

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Language                                 : English
Default                                  : No
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Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Original source medium                   : Blu-ray

Audio #1
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Channel layout                           : L R C LFE Ls Rs
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Frame rate                               : 1 200.000 FPS (40 SPF)
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Stream size                              : 1.00 GiB (6%)
Title                                    : Surround 5.1
Language                                 : Japanese
Default                                  : Yes
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Menu
00:00:00.000                             : en:Chapter 01
00:06:10.828                             : en:Chapter 02
00:23:38.458                             : en:Chapter 03
00:38:04.448                             : en:Chapter 04
01:01:38.403                             : en:Chapter 05

Good encode, as usual from IDP. And a very nice 35mm scan from TMS with stunning colours.

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@Kevers: Yes, all releases from September 2020 are the extended cut AFAIK.

SpazeBlue · 08-24-2021, 12:32 AM

Put me in the "Please release an English-friendly version of the Extended Cut" camp.

I had read the manga first, and there's this whole subplot (spoilers) that they drop in the movie, at least for the most part. For some reason, they included a scene or two of said subplot, but dropped the rest, so there's some random scenes in the movie that come out of nowhere and make no sense if you haven't read the manga. It's a shame, because I really liked the movie otherwise.

Supposedly, the Other Corners version puts these scenes back in, but not only did it take forever to release, when it's finally released, it's Japan only.

SpazeBlue · 08-24-2021, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpaceDandy

MediaInfo:

[Show spoiler]

Code:

File size                                : 18.2 GiB
Duration                                 : 1 h 34 min
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 27.7 Mb/s

Video
ID                                       : 1
ID in the original source medium         : 4113 (0x1011)
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.1
Format settings                          : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 4 frames
Codec ID                                 : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration                                 : 1 h 34 min
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 25.5 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 40.0 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.512
Stream size                              : 16.8 GiB (92%)
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : No
Forced                                   : No
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Original source medium                   : Blu-ray

Audio #1
ID                                       : 2
ID in the original source medium         : 4352 (0x1100)
Format                                   : MLP FBA
Format/Info                              : Meridian Lossless Packing FBA
Commercial name                          : Dolby TrueHD
Codec ID                                 : A_TRUEHD
Duration                                 : 1 h 34 min
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 1 525 kb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 2 433 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel layout                           : L R C LFE Ls Rs
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 1 200.000 FPS (40 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 24 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossless
Stream size                              : 1.00 GiB (6%)
Title                                    : Surround 5.1
Language                                 : Japanese
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No
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Audio #2
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Format                                   : AC-3
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Duration                                 : 1 h 34 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
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Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel layout                           : L R C LFE Ls Rs
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 431 MiB (2%)
Title                                    : Surround 5.1
Language                                 : Japanese
Service kind                             : Complete Main
Default                                  : No
Forced                                   : No
Original source medium                   : Blu-ray

Text
ID                                       : 4
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Format                                   : PGS
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Codec ID/Info                            : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration                                 : 1 h 33 min
Bit rate                                 : 49.2 kb/s
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Stream size                              : 33.0 MiB (0%)
Language                                 : French
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Forced                                   : No
Original source medium                   : Blu-ray

Menu
00:00:00.000                             : en:Chapter 01
00:06:10.828                             : en:Chapter 02
00:23:38.458                             : en:Chapter 03
00:38:04.448                             : en:Chapter 04
01:01:38.403                             : en:Chapter 05

Interesting. The back of the case and the current listing say LPCM 2.0, but if I'm reading this right, it's actually TrueHD 5.1 and Dolby Digital 5.1 (or maybe that second one is a commentary).

SpaceDandy · 08-24-2021, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpazeBlue

Interesting. The back of the case and the current listing say LPCM 2.0, but if I'm reading this right, it's actually TrueHD 5.1 and Dolby Digital 5.1 (or maybe that second one is a commentary).

Wrong technical information on the cover are some of the most common mistakes in the home video industry. In this case, LPCM is essentially uncompressed lossless audio while DolbyTrue is compressed lossless. For the watcher, it is virtually identical.

To reply your specific question, this is how advanced Dolby and DTS tracks are (or should be) always presented. A lossy core joined with a lossless part. If an aliexpress player does not know how to handle the advanced lossless codec, it can fallback to the lossy one. You can't select the Dolby Digital track. The player will always pick it and decode additionally the Dolby TrueHD part if it can.

If you look at the MediaInfos posted before, you will always see DTS-HD + DTS-HDMA together for the very same reason.

Steve Freeling · 08-24-2021, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by professorwho

Future Boy Conan: 2011 Japanese Blu-ray vs 2021 Italian Blu-ray
(Bandai Visual, Japan; Dynit, Italy)

Code:

https://slow.pics/c/t5Woz6da

Caps taken by a friend who shared this with me. The JP BD is the older restoration, while the IT BD is the new 4K restoration. Very interesting differences in framing, and more importantly, colour grading. The newer restoration has quite a bit of DNR as is the norm now, but still has good detail levels, and isn't totally scrubbed away. Both were sourced from scans of the 35mm Original Camera Negative.

Unfortunately, the Dynit BD appears to have replaced the Japanese text with Italian (I thought Dynit stopped doing that long ago...), so hopefully the GKids BD can preserve the original telop.

I was also told that the 16:9 cropped version in the IT BD box set uses the older 2011 restoration instead, so that is worth mentioning if one is considering Dynit's release.

I'm honestly amazed Dynit was able to get a creditless master for such an old series. Knowing GKIDS, they'll likely include the original Japanese credits for the sub and English credits for the dub using alternate angles like they did for the Ghibli films they've released, Mirai, and Weathering with You, among others.

mp3dom · 08-24-2021, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Freeling

Knowing GKIDS, they'll likely include the original Japanese credits for the sub and English credits for the dub using alternate angles like they did for the Ghibli films they've released, Mirai, and Weathering with You, among others.

Just asking out of curiosity, but isn't this solution considered "a good one"?

professorwho · 08-24-2021, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mp3dom

Just asking out of curiosity, but isn't this solution considered "a good one"?

Yup. I’m just not a fan of when the text replacement is made and it isn’t an optional angle. When it’s an optional angle, I don’t see any problem with it. Everybody wins because of choice. (And the way angles work on BD is so much better than DVD, though it’s a shame angles don’t work on 4K outside of branching/playlist swapping)

svenge · 08-26-2021, 02:54 AM

Does anyone own the SD-BD of "Battle Athletes OVA + Victory" who could comment on its picture quality?

Ikari · 08-31-2021, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NLScavenger

The 2015 Anime Limited UK BD of Perfect Blue and the US BD of Tokyo Godfathers are the best releases of those films.

The Manga UK BD of Paprika is the best release that I know of, but Umbrella released a Blu-ray in Australia last month. Don't know how it compares with the Manga UK release.

Likewise with Paranoia Agent. Was recently released with English subs(?) in Taiwan (distributor website says it has English subs, but packaging doesn't mention it), but no one has posted screenshots from that release.

So short of importing Tokyo Godfathers from Japan, the best release is the DNR-ed new remaster available in US? Have there been any screenshot comparisons? I have tried looking but maybe I have missed it.

I just imported the 2015 UK Perfect Blue release to avoid the DNR mess (and the UK Paprika, since I still have the MPEG2 Sony release).

NLScavenger · 08-31-2021, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ikari

So short of importing Tokyo Godfathers from Japan, the best release is the DNR-ed new remaster available in US? Have there been any screenshot comparisons? I have tried looking but maybe I have missed it.

I just imported the 2015 UK Perfect Blue release to avoid the DNR mess (and the UK Paprika, since I still have the MPEG2 Sony release).

Comparison with JP BD https://slow.pics/c/zgdVnY6y

US BD is better imo. The grain in the JP BD looks more like scanner noise (not surprising considering that it's probably an ancient CRT telecine) and there's less detail than the US BD.

EddieLarkin · 08-31-2021, 09:15 AM

Doesn't look remotely like scanner noise. The whole texture of the image has been removed from the US BD. And it hasn't even been done well, much of the grain is still there it's just all smeared and blotchy now (cap 24).

SpaceDandy · 08-31-2021, 09:48 AM

I don't think it's the same transfer? The US BD has more details, so by denoising the JP BD you couldn't get the US BD picture quality. See capture #8. I would go for the US BD as well.

(Also the JP BD image is not centered and that's very silly).

EddieLarkin · 08-31-2021, 11:39 AM

When taking still images of grainy sources, details may appear obscured compared to a degrained version, but this won't be the case in motion, as the grain moves around frame to frame.

You can also see banding in the sky of cap 24 now, which was dithered out by the grain on the JP BD.

SpaceDandy · 08-31-2021, 12:02 PM

I know. But your point with capture #24 would rather suggest excessive dithering. In fact, you can make out some patterns in the noise in the same picture at the location where you see the slight banding on the US BD.
I don't think it was denoised because you would not have such tiny precise details as the stairs of the footbridge on capture #8. DNR generally lead to details loss from the noise version, even when looking at a still capture.

Dithering is even more likely since the said noise does not look like scanner noise as you suggest. And to me, it does not look like film noise either.

NLScavenger · 08-31-2021, 12:45 PM

US BD is sourced from a new 4K scan according to GKIDS, but they did not specify from what kind of film element. JP BD uses same master as the original DVD release.

NLScavenger · 08-31-2021, 08:21 PM

Checked the JP BD. It's windowboxed, so the JP BD screenshots were zoomed in. Some details are almost completely invisible in motion on JP BD, for example the ridged texture on one of the rotating fans in #18. Also seeing scanner noise.

Ccharmanderk · 09-01-2021, 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by svenge

Does anyone own the SD-BD of "Battle Athletes OVA + Victory" who could comment on its picture quality?

It was mentioned in the original announcement (https://twitter.com/discotekmedia/st...249335298?s=20) that Battle Athletes had some cleanup done on it to improve the image quality and lessen the video artifacts present in prior releases. It probably looks okay considering it's an SD-BD from a less-than-optimal video source.

svenge · 09-02-2021, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ccharmanderk

It was mentioned in the original announcement (https://twitter.com/discotekmedia/st...249335298?s=20) that Battle Athletes had some cleanup done on it to improve the image quality and lessen the video artifacts present in prior releases. It probably looks okay considering it's an SD-BD from a less-than-optimal video source.

Might be worth taking a flyer on. I always liked that series, as Akari was usually quite entertaining. Not only that, but she was an early pioneer of the "tiny house" concept...

NLScavenger · 09-02-2021, 07:49 AM

Ranma 1/2 Japanese BD vs Spanish BD comparison by fabrebatalla18

https://slow.pics/c/Csp50te3

Encoded at wrong levels.

I'm still saddened by the fact that Dynit wasn't able to acquire the series.

08-31-2021, 09:48 AM	#6173
SpaceDandy Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Aug 2018	I don't think it's the same transfer? The US BD has more details, so by denoising the JP BD you couldn't get the US BD picture quality. See capture #8. I would go for the US BD as well. (Also the JP BD image is not centered and that's very silly). Last edited by SpaceDandy; 08-31-2021 at 09:55 AM.

08-31-2021, 12:02 PM	#6175
SpaceDandy Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Aug 2018	I know. But your point with capture #24 would rather suggest excessive dithering. In fact, you can make out some patterns in the noise in the same picture at the location where you see the slight banding on the US BD. I don't think it was denoised because you would not have such tiny precise details as the stairs of the footbridge on capture #8. DNR generally lead to details loss from the noise version, even when looking at a still capture. Dithering is even more likely since the said noise does not look like scanner noise as you suggest. And to me, it does not look like film noise either. Last edited by SpaceDandy; 08-31-2021 at 12:14 PM.

08-24-2021, 12:32 AM	#6163
SpazeBlue Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Feb 2019 Location:Idahoe 4K collection:117 Blu-ray collection:211 Blu-ray reviews:2	Put me in the "Please release an English-friendly version of the Extended Cut" camp. I had read the manga first, and there's this whole subplot (spoilers) that they drop in the movie, at least for the most part. For some reason, they included a scene or two of said subplot, but dropped the rest, so there's some random scenes in the movie that come out of nowhere and make no sense if you haven't read the manga. It's a shame, because I really liked the movie otherwise. Supposedly, the Other Corners version puts these scenes back in, but not only did it take forever to release, when it's finally released, it's Japan only.

08-26-2021, 02:54 AM	#6169
svenge Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Washington State 4K collection:17 Blu-ray collection:474 DVD collection:157 Blu-ray reviews: 5 Trading Score:67	Does anyone own the SD-BD of "Battle Athletes OVA + Victory" who could comment on its picture quality?

08-31-2021, 09:15 AM	#6172
EddieLarkin Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2011 4K collection:659 Blu-ray collection:4699 DVD collection:893 Trading Score:1	Doesn't look remotely like scanner noise. The whole texture of the image has been removed from the US BD. And it hasn't even been done well, much of the grain is still there it's just all smeared and blotchy now (cap 24).

08-31-2021, 11:39 AM	#6174
EddieLarkin Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2011 4K collection:659 Blu-ray collection:4699 DVD collection:893 Trading Score:1	When taking still images of grainy sources, details may appear obscured compared to a degrained version, but this won't be the case in motion, as the grain moves around frame to frame. You can also see banding in the sky of cap 24 now, which was dithered out by the grain on the JP BD.

08-31-2021, 12:45 PM	#6176
NLScavenger Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Dec 2013 Location:Netherlands 4K collection:20 Blu-ray collection:831 Trading Score:9	US BD is sourced from a new 4K scan according to GKIDS, but they did not specify from what kind of film element. JP BD uses same master as the original DVD release.

08-31-2021, 08:21 PM	#6177
NLScavenger Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Dec 2013 Location:Netherlands 4K collection:20 Blu-ray collection:831 Trading Score:9	Checked the JP BD. It's windowboxed, so the JP BD screenshots were zoomed in. Some details are almost completely invisible in motion on JP BD, for example the ridged texture on one of the rotating fans in #18. Also seeing scanner noise.

09-02-2021, 07:49 AM	#6180
NLScavenger Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Dec 2013 Location:Netherlands 4K collection:20 Blu-ray collection:831 Trading Score:9	Ranma 1/2 Japanese BD vs Spanish BD comparison by fabrebatalla18 https://slow.pics/c/Csp50te3 Encoded at wrong levels. I'm still saddened by the fact that Dynit wasn't able to acquire the series.

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