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Old 07-15-2018, 09:36 PM   #2061
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Towa no Quon
(Sentai)

Disc 1: 41.1GB (Contains films 1 to 4)

Feature size (Film 1): 9.47GB

Video:
1080p MPEG-4 AVC
19.2 mbps AVG
35 mbps MAX
6.52GB

Audio:
Japanese DTS HD-MA 5.1 24-Bit 4336 kbps
English DTS HD-MA 5.1 24-Bit 4335 kbps

Towa no Quon is a 6 part film series, so the format here is odd. Each "film" is around 50 minutes, so while there is the possibility for good compression in this format, I'd rather Sentai did a 3-3 split. As 3 films with dual 5.1 tracks per disc would give ample space for higher bitrates, most likely the high twenties or even the low thirties. But, this is similar to the splits everyone does, in terms of runtime, this is the equivalent of an 8-4 split, so bitrates are similar to such efforts.

This was released in June of 2012, 6 years ago. Within the first 2 years of Sentai hitting BD. Back then, they were known for bad PQ. How they've changed... now they're better than FUNi on a constant basis. Being an earlier release, I was willing to cut some slack, because the first Blu-rays from the professional studios were far from the best. But this could be summed up in one word:

Banding

Good lord, what banding there is. First off, the site's review is 100% WRONG. When I've complained about this site's reviews, they all come from the same person. I'm not gonna name him, but it shows that he cares only about aesthetics and not encoding. Also, almost every review he's published where the film doesn't have a 5.1 track or higher, he gives a 4/5. Really. Just really. Talk about sound quality, not the fact that there isn't a 5.1 upmix that would actually sound worse than the original mix.

There are insane amounts of banding. In the darker scenes it's big enough to make out, and in daytime scenes there's a tiny bit of it present occasionally. It's not as bad as Re:Zero, but it's close. Other than the banding, it's solid. Line detail is good with no aliasing, and everything else is just about fine. it's just the banding is insanely distracting.

Audio-wise, there's nothing to complain about. The Japanese and English mixes are nearly bit-for-bit identical and it shows. There is no hissing or any trace of a bad source. No compression whatsoever. Flawless in terms of clarity, but use of surround I'll leave up to people who actually have a surround setup.

For an early Sentai release, its one of the worst. The films are boring and just plain stupid, to the point where what few action scenes (in classic Bones style of being insanely well animated) can't help here. PQ is acceptable when the series is in daylight, but when night shows up, its nearly unwatchable. Audio is stellar, though, so it's not too bad. I paid $5 for it at a Rightstuf sale a few years ago, and its worth that amount for sure. If you can find it cheap, go for it. Otherwise, pass.
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Old 07-15-2018, 09:43 PM   #2062
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What I find funny is the screenshots he posted show the banding I'm talking about!
This
and this
and this
and again

Did the reviewer even look at the screenshots he posted for his review?!
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Old 07-15-2018, 09:58 PM   #2063
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^ That's the same reviewer who posted screenshots of Penguindrum and gave it a 4.5/5. He doesn't do anime reviews for the site anymore at least.
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Old 07-15-2018, 10:21 PM   #2064
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Of course. Same reviewer who also gave 4.5/5 to both Psycho Pass and Steins;Gate.
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Old 07-15-2018, 11:00 PM   #2065
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^ That's the same reviewer who posted screenshots of Penguindrum and gave it a 4.5/5. He doesn't do anime reviews for the site anymore at least.
I don't wanna be a dick but I'm honest-to-God glad about that. His reviews are never really indicative of the actual quality of a product and are at-worst incredibly misleading, almost to the point of lying. "Aesthetics" don't amount to crap if the encode isn't proficient enough to effectively convey them without substantial eyesores.

Considering how wildly varying in quality Blu-ray releases tend to be, even this late in the format's lifespan, a reviewer who can't judge a release on the basis of its technical competence is completely useless.
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Old 07-15-2018, 11:05 PM   #2066
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What I find funny is the screenshots he posted show the banding I'm talking about!
This
and this
and this
and again

Did the reviewer even look at the screenshots he posted for his review?!
Screenshots in .jpeg...
Funny.
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Old 07-15-2018, 11:13 PM   #2067
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How's the quality on the latest Gundam 00 release and the latest JoJo set? Just got them for my birthday and was curious.
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Old 07-15-2018, 11:20 PM   #2068
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How's the quality on the latest Gundam 00 release and the latest JoJo set? Just got them for my birthday and was curious.
I suspect most people getting 00 are getting the Ultra Edition so we probably won’t know for a couple more months on the show’s a/v quality, much like Utena and Wing one had to wait.
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Old 07-16-2018, 02:04 AM   #2069
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How's the quality on the latest Gundam 00 release and the latest JoJo set? Just got them for my birthday and was curious.
For JoJo, the banding and compression artifacts are pretty tolerable. Looks best during brighter scenes, might suffer a bit in darker scenes. I suspect there may be a very subtle difference in color from the Japanese BD's, much like set 1. Depending on how familiar you are with the show's colors you might not notice unless you see them side to side. (Unless they fixed it between then and now.) Overall, I think they're fine. Different people might have different levels of tolerance for that sort of thing, so I'd say see for yourself.
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Old 07-16-2018, 08:21 PM   #2070
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How's the quality on the latest Gundam 00 release and the latest JoJo set? Just got them for my birthday and was curious.
Jojo has the slight over saturation problem that recent Viz sets have had. Sometimes there'll be some banding but most of it is probably inherent to the source whereas some is a result of the oversaturation. I watched the first disc the other night and didn't notice any major issues with it. It's definitely no K Missing Kings/Return of Kings, and as a rarity it even compared pretty favorably to a sub JP BDrip.
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Old 07-17-2018, 01:32 AM   #2071
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The video quality on season two of Haruka Nogizaka is MUCH better than on season one. Much sharper, better colours and virtually no ghosting either.
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Old 07-18-2018, 06:09 PM   #2072
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KILL la KILL Dynit BD
Screenshots (episodes #1 and #3)

- Audio -
Japanese DTS-HD Master Audio 2.0 | 24-bit
Italian DTS-HD Master Audio 2.0 | 24-bit

- Subtitles -
Optional Italian subtitles
Optional Italian signs-only subtitles

- Episode #1 video bitrate -
AVG: 34946 kbps | MAX: 58327 kbps


- Episode #3 video bitrate -
AVG: 34947 kbps | MAX: 50308 kbps


Very happy with this release (aside from the booklet).
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Old 07-18-2018, 06:33 PM   #2073
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Wait, what?
How is it possible to reach 58 Mbps while the blu-ray support allow only 48Mbps maximum for both audio and video?
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Old 07-18-2018, 06:57 PM   #2074
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Wait, what?
How is it possible to reach 58 Mbps while the blu-ray support allow only 48Mbps maximum for both audio and video?
The Blu-ray format allows quick bitrate spikes, as long as the buffer can cope with it.
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Old 07-18-2018, 07:05 PM   #2075
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Just curious, what do you use for the bitrate graph?
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Old 07-18-2018, 07:17 PM   #2076
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Just curious, what do you use for the bitrate graph?
Bitrate Viewer (Windows only)

Simply open Bitrate Viewer, drag and drop file. Printscreen, paste and edit in image editor.

Bitrate Viewer hasn't been updated since 2011, so no support for HEVC and other modern compression standards.
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Old 07-19-2018, 02:27 AM   #2077
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So, you use the program on the m2ts files?
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Old 07-19-2018, 02:48 AM   #2078
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Why not just use MakeMKV?
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Old 07-19-2018, 02:55 AM   #2079
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I'm just saying, the bitrate viewer thing on m2ts files. I don't think it works on MKV files.

I do use MakeMKV for everything and MediaInfo for my tech specs.
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Works on m2ts and mkv files.
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