The Anime Blu-ray Video Quality Thread - Page 110 - Blu-ray Forum

Naiera · 08-11-2018, 06:53 PM

Has anyone checked out the 00 movie on a computer? The old release has like 40 gigs of data and something like 36 for the movie with all the subs and soundtracks. I don't see it as a given that the new one will be better.

professorwho · 08-11-2018, 07:23 PM

Oh great, the bad anime reviewer is back...

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There really aren't many if any "jaggies" or other signs of stair stepping and the like, with most line detail remaining firm and precise. The one disappointment I personally had here was with regard to the saturation and vividness of the palette. The show only rarely gets into anything resembling true visual "pop", and those moments tend to be fleeting.

Talks about encoding, then about aesthetics. NOBODY CARES what you think about the aesthetics, just say if it's well encoded or not! Isn't that what a review is?

Naiera · 08-12-2018, 01:23 AM

This is the MediaInfo for the old Bandai release of Gundam 00: A Wakening of the Trailblazer. I hope someone will soon post the same info for the Sunrise/RightStuf release.

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Dailyan · 08-12-2018, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by professorwho

Oh great, the bad anime reviewer is back...

Talks about encoding, then about aesthetics. NOBODY CARES what you think about the aesthetics, just say if it's well encoded or not! Isn't that what a review is?

Yeah Kauffman is not the best when it comes to anime reviews. In his “Nadia” review he neglected to mention some scenes in certain episodes had upscaled tape footage. Another time he had reviwed Twilight Time’s release of “Sense and Sensebility” he assumed it was the old Sony UK transfer but “a bit brighter” when in actuality it was a new 4K master that, when compared to Sony’s disc, is night and day difference.

professorwho · 08-12-2018, 01:50 AM

He also gave Shout's "The Thing" a 9/10! What a joke.

Suikoman444 · 08-12-2018, 03:43 AM

I tried pulling the info for the Rightstuf Blu-Ray, this was my first time doing this, so not sure if I did it completely correctly. Didn't seem to get the 2.0 audio tracks.

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Originally Posted by Naiera

This is the MediaInfo for the old Bandai release of Gundam 00: A Wakening of the Trailblazer. I hope someone will soon post the same info for the Sunrise/RightStuf release.

[Show spoiler]

Naiera · 08-12-2018, 11:34 AM

Dang.

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Originally Posted by Suikoman444

Didn't seem to get the 2.0 audio tracks.

For some reason, MakeMKV doesn't get all the audio tracks by default. You have to tick the boxes manually and then rip.

Suikoman444 · 08-12-2018, 02:27 PM

Alright, figured that out. Tried it again for you. Also, with the extras the whole disc appears to be 36.6 GB (39,365,796,954 bytes)

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Robbl · 08-12-2018, 04:31 PM

Quality Discotek slide

professorwho · 08-12-2018, 08:54 PM

So, I've got Studio Canal's Miyazaki Box-set, and it's a nice set, but as we know, the PQ isn't as good as Disney or Ghibli's own discs.

I'm watching Cagliostro (1979) and it's really rough. It was released in 2012, before Ghibli and Discotek's BDs in 2014, so I'm assuming it uses an older master- which shows. Quite a lot of noise and more grain than normal. Not terrible nor unwatchable- it looks amazing when 9 feet away like I normally sit, but when I sat closer (2 feet away), it looks really rough. Plus, the back of the standard release says it's 1080i like the original VAP release.

The other Studio Canal BDs of the Ghibli films don't look this bad. In fact, most of them look stunning!- although, not as well encoded as the JP releases.

It's like a 5 or 6/10 transfer. I'd take this noisy mess over DNR'd crap like Terminator 2 or Predator (though the UHD of that is nice, from what I've seen).

Audio is in Japanese DTS HD-MA 5.1, and it's an upmix. The mono track isn't included. Shame, but as my TV is stereo, it sounds great through there, and I don't have any surround setup. The bad Streamline dub is in LPCM 2.0 and is of better quality simply due to being produced later and in native stereo. The Manga Ent. dub, which is probably the best dub to any anime film ever, sadly isn't included. (It's the one where David Hater- Snake from Metal Gear Solid- voices Lupin, and Zenigata has a hilarious voice)

I'm debating whether or not to get Discotek's release, being that it's a 1:1 clone with original mono JP track and the superior dub, but that's for another day.

NLScavenger · 08-12-2018, 09:05 PM

Get the Discotek BD. It's not even a competition (not sure if the Studio Canal screenshot is correctly deinterlaced, but you can tell how messed up the colors and compression are)

professorwho · 08-12-2018, 09:10 PM

Oh god, it's worse than I thought... (seeing screenshots you can zoom in on really show how poor it is...)

I'd now rate it a little lower- a 4 or 5/10 transfer.

From 9 feet away it looks fine, but up close, it's real ugly.

professorwho · 08-12-2018, 09:27 PM

Upon looking closer, it appears Studio Canal's BD looks similar to VAP's release, as I suspected. Though, worse, due to a lower bitrate and more artifacting.

Dailyan · 08-12-2018, 11:25 PM

All of VAP's early Lupin Blus are complete, upscale garbage. They were some of the earliest vintage anime on Blu Ray and man does it show. The fact that StudioCanal never updated the disc is awful for European fans that aren't region free (or just don't want to import the Japanese '14 release). Discotek really did give the Criterion treatment for the title and I say it's the definitive release. Now if they could only get on releasing Mamo...

Naiera · 08-13-2018, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by NLScavenger

Get the Discotek BD. It's not even a competition (not sure if the Studio Canal screenshot is correctly deinterlaced, but you can tell how messed up the colors and compression are)

reignofkindo · 08-13-2018, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by professorwho

Excuse the poor quality, but after recording the JoJo variable bitrates, I decided to do FMA Brotherhood next. And WOW.

Like, the whole first scene is like 4 to 5 mbps. Regardless of compressionist, there is NO reason it should be that low.

I get it's a dialogue scene with little besides moving mouths, but even Sentai encoded similar shows at 5 times that bitrate in similar scenes!

It'll be interesting to see how the newly announced Aniplex sets are.

Robbl · 08-13-2018, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by reignofkindo

It'll be interesting to see how the newly announced Aniplex sets are.

4-5 episodes per disc. Much better.

professorwho · 08-15-2018, 05:21 PM

I'm working on my biggest write-up yet... Code Geass.

I will do a full breakdown of all 8 discs, including listing every extra and runtime for everything.

The only other series that I will do a bigger write up for is Legend of the Galactic Heroes, but that would be the longest one even in my normal style, due to the length and scale of said series.

professorwho · 08-15-2018, 06:10 PM

FUNimation are bad at authoring discs. I'm not talking about video compression (that's another thing they get wrong), but the way they lay out their discs suck.

Code Geass Disc 4 is like this:

Episodes 22-25 as one file
Episodes 22-25 as separate files
FUNimation trailers as one file
FUNimation trailers as separate files
Separate trailers not in that one file
Picture Dramas as one file
Picture Dramas as separate files
Dub Voice Actor interviews (as separate files)
Creditless OPs/EDs

I'm canceling that Code Geass write-up. Sorry, but this is too much. If they didn't repeat their files over again and in dumb ways (which is wasting space, actually), then I'd do it. But as it is, I give up.

Short write-up? Season 1 looks okay- it's upscaled, but looks decent. Banding and aliasing is present but not major issues. Audio is great, though the JP 5.1 mix sucks due to revisionism. Season 2 looks good- from 720p source. No aliasing, though has banding. Audio is on par with Season 1. Bitrates average 26/27 mbps.

NLScavenger · 08-15-2018, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by professorwho

I'm canceling that Code Geass write-up. Sorry, but this is too much. If they didn't repeat their files over again and in dumb ways (which is wasting space, actually), then I'd do it. But as it is, I give up.

I took a quick look and I don't see repeated files (Check the BDMV>STREAM folder). Some stuff just ends up twice in the MakeMKV list due to the way it handles the .MPLS and .M2TS files.

08-12-2018, 01:23 AM	#2183
Naiera Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:2 Trading Score:25	Gundam 00: A Wakening of the Trailblazer MediaInfo This is the MediaInfo for the old Bandai release of Gundam 00: A Wakening of the Trailblazer. I hope someone will soon post the same info for the Sunrise/RightStuf release. [Show spoiler]

08-12-2018, 11:25 PM	#2194
Dailyan Blu-ray Baron Top contributor Member since:Feb 2015 Location:Beyond the Blue Horizon 4K collection:195 Blu-ray collection:2245 DVD collection:197 Blu-ray reviews: 58 Trading Score:55	All of VAP's early Lupin Blus are complete, upscale garbage. They were some of the earliest vintage anime on Blu Ray and man does it show. The fact that StudioCanal never updated the disc is awful for European fans that aren't region free (or just don't want to import the Japanese '14 release). Discotek really did give the Criterion treatment for the title and I say it's the definitive release. Now if they could only get on releasing Mamo... Last edited by Dailyan; 08-12-2018 at 11:33 PM.

08-11-2018, 06:53 PM	#2181
Naiera Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:2 Trading Score:25	Has anyone checked out the 00 movie on a computer? The old release has like 40 gigs of data and something like 36 for the movie with all the subs and soundtracks. I don't see it as a given that the new one will be better.

08-12-2018, 01:50 AM	#2185
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	He also gave Shout's "The Thing" a 9/10! What a joke.

08-12-2018, 02:27 PM	#2188
Suikoman444 Expert Member Top contributor Member since:May 2018 Location:Columbus, OH 4K collection:285 Blu-ray collection:1864 DVD collection:442 Trading Score:76	Alright, figured that out. Tried it again for you. Also, with the extras the whole disc appears to be 36.6 GB (39,365,796,954 bytes) [Show spoiler]

08-12-2018, 04:31 PM	#2189
Robbl Active Member Member since:Jan 2018	Quality Discotek slide

08-12-2018, 08:54 PM	#2190
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	So, I've got Studio Canal's Miyazaki Box-set, and it's a nice set, but as we know, the PQ isn't as good as Disney or Ghibli's own discs. I'm watching Cagliostro (1979) and it's really rough. It was released in 2012, before Ghibli and Discotek's BDs in 2014, so I'm assuming it uses an older master- which shows. Quite a lot of noise and more grain than normal. Not terrible nor unwatchable- it looks amazing when 9 feet away like I normally sit, but when I sat closer (2 feet away), it looks really rough. Plus, the back of the standard release says it's 1080i like the original VAP release. The other Studio Canal BDs of the Ghibli films don't look this bad. In fact, most of them look stunning!- although, not as well encoded as the JP releases. It's like a 5 or 6/10 transfer. I'd take this noisy mess over DNR'd crap like Terminator 2 or Predator (though the UHD of that is nice, from what I've seen). Audio is in Japanese DTS HD-MA 5.1, and it's an upmix. The mono track isn't included. Shame, but as my TV is stereo, it sounds great through there, and I don't have any surround setup. The bad Streamline dub is in LPCM 2.0 and is of better quality simply due to being produced later and in native stereo. The Manga Ent. dub, which is probably the best dub to any anime film ever, sadly isn't included. (It's the one where David Hater- Snake from Metal Gear Solid- voices Lupin, and Zenigata has a hilarious voice) I'm debating whether or not to get Discotek's release, being that it's a 1:1 clone with original mono JP track and the superior dub, but that's for another day.

08-12-2018, 09:05 PM	#2191
NLScavenger Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Dec 2013 Location:Netherlands 4K collection:20 Blu-ray collection:831 Trading Score:9	Get the Discotek BD. It's not even a competition (not sure if the Studio Canal screenshot is correctly deinterlaced, but you can tell how messed up the colors and compression are)

08-12-2018, 09:10 PM	#2192
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	Oh god, it's worse than I thought... (seeing screenshots you can zoom in on really show how poor it is...) I'd now rate it a little lower- a 4 or 5/10 transfer. From 9 feet away it looks fine, but up close, it's real ugly.

08-12-2018, 09:27 PM	#2193
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	Upon looking closer, it appears Studio Canal's BD looks similar to VAP's release, as I suspected. Though, worse, due to a lower bitrate and more artifacting.

08-15-2018, 05:21 PM	#2198
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	I'm working on my biggest write-up yet... Code Geass. I will do a full breakdown of all 8 discs, including listing every extra and runtime for everything. The only other series that I will do a bigger write up for is Legend of the Galactic Heroes, but that would be the longest one even in my normal style, due to the length and scale of said series.

08-15-2018, 06:10 PM	#2199
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	FUNimation are bad at authoring discs. I'm not talking about video compression (that's another thing they get wrong), but the way they lay out their discs suck. Code Geass Disc 4 is like this: Episodes 22-25 as one file Episodes 22-25 as separate files FUNimation trailers as one file FUNimation trailers as separate files Separate trailers not in that one file Picture Dramas as one file Picture Dramas as separate files Dub Voice Actor interviews (as separate files) Creditless OPs/EDs I'm canceling that Code Geass write-up. Sorry, but this is too much. If they didn't repeat their files over again and in dumb ways (which is wasting space, actually), then I'd do it. But as it is, I give up. Short write-up? Season 1 looks okay- it's upscaled, but looks decent. Banding and aliasing is present but not major issues. Audio is great, though the JP 5.1 mix sucks due to revisionism. Season 2 looks good- from 720p source. No aliasing, though has banding. Audio is on par with Season 1. Bitrates average 26/27 mbps.

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