The Anime Blu-ray Video Quality Thread - Page 113 - Blu-ray Forum

klasma · 08-25-2018, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by NLScavenger

Hearing "After, In the Dark" at the end of OVA 1-3 always gives me the chills.

I'm still disappointed that version is on none of the soundtrack CDs.

SeaFox · 08-25-2018, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NLScavenger

So apparently the same video as Dynit for 1.11... But I still don't want to support Dybex whenever possible. They're almost the exact opposite of their Italian counterpart.

Dynit x Bizarro World = Dybex

Yuripa · 08-25-2018, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by NLScavenger

So apparently the same video as Dynit for 1.11... But I still don't want to support Dybex whenever possible. They're almost the exact opposite of their Italian counterpart.

I have heard the Dybex 2.22 and 3.33 BDs have a lot of banding/aliasing, and furthermore the Dutch subtitles are translated from the French subtitles. Dybex has also shamelessly used Google Translate at some point to translate the French backcover of 2.22 into Dutch, but this got fixed before the release after people had pointed it out.

Yeah I have the Dybex ed for 2.22 and 3.33 and oh my god they're bad, like really bad.
+ the fact that the adaptation is horrible they keep the -san/-kun-Sama/etc. in the subs and.... the dub!!!!! yeah the dub, so you can hear in french " Oh bonjour Shinji-KOUNE" or "Bonjour Misato-SANE". that's atrocious.

professorwho · 08-25-2018, 06:57 PM

I'm gonna be working on a cool project- make the definitive version of 1988's Akira. Best video, all audio options.

I don't own any version of the film, but the releases out are cheap so I'll pick them up soon. Here's what I know, and the stats so far:

Video is sourced from the 2018 Dynit Italian BD, because it is not windowboxed (like the FUNi version) and has the highest bitrate (which mp3dom says is around 32 mbps).

Audio:
Japanese Dolby TrueHD 5.1 24-Bit 192 kHz 14340 kbps (Bandai BD)
Japanese LPCM 2.0 16-Bit 48 kHz 1536 kbps (Bandai BD)
Japanese Dolby Digital 5.1 48 kHz 640 kbps (Bandai BD)
(2001 Dub) English Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-Bit 96 kHz 2045 kbps (FUNimation BD)
(1989 Dub) English Dolby TrueHD 2.0 16-Bit 96 kHz 1323 kbps (FUNimation BD)

Total Audio Bitrate: 19884 kbps (19.88 mbps)

Obviously it won't fit on a Blu-ray disc. It'll be over 50GB easily, and the bitrate limit would not support this. The hardest part would be syncing the audio and subtitles to the video, but it would make for a cool project. With all the options, nobody would be left out.

NLScavenger · 08-25-2018, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Yuripa

Yeah I have the Dybex ed for 2.22 and 3.33 and oh my god they're bad, like really bad.
+ the fact that the adaptation is horrible they keep the -san/-kun-Sama/etc. in the subs and.... the dub!!!!! yeah the dub, so you can hear in french " Oh bonjour Shinji-KOUNE" or "Bonjour Misato-SANE". that's atrocious.

That sounds like the most weaboo dub ever.

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Originally Posted by professorwho

I'm gonna be working on a cool project- make the definitive version of 1988's Akira. Best video, all audio options.

I don't own any version of the film, but the releases out are cheap so I'll pick them up soon. Here's what I know, and the stats so far:

Video is sourced from the 2018 Dynit Italian BD, because it is not windowboxed (like the FUNi version) and has the highest bitrate (which mp3dom says is around 32 mbps).

Audio:
Japanese Dolby TrueHD 5.1 24-Bit 192 kHz 14340 kbps (Bandai BD)
Japanese LPCM 2.0 16-Bit 48 kHz 1536 kbps (Bandai BD)
Japanese Dolby Digital 5.1 48 kHz 640 kbps (Bandai BD)
(2001 Dub) English Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-Bit 96 kHz 2045 kbps (FUNimation BD)
(1989 Dub) English Dolby TrueHD 2.0 16-Bit 96 kHz 1323 kbps (FUNimation BD)

Total Audio Bitrate: 19884 kbps (19.88 mbps)

Obviously it won't fit on a Blu-ray disc. It'll be over 50GB easily, and the bitrate limit would not support this. The hardest part would be syncing the audio and subtitles to the video, but it would make for a cool project. With all the options, nobody would be left out.

Syncing sub/audio should be very easy because all three BDs are derived from the same remaster. Seek the same video frame on the three BDs, take note of the time in hh:mm:ss:ms, calculate time difference in ms.

Once you know the time difference in ms, you can add a positive or negative delay to the audio/sub files while remuxing to MKV.

professorwho · 08-25-2018, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by NLScavenger

That sounds like the most weaboo dub ever.

Honorifics are fine in subtitles, depending on the project (I saw Night is Short by Yuasa and the main guy is referred to only by "Senpai", so instances like that are fine), but in a dub? Hearing bad voice acting with bad translations makes it even worse...

Robbl · 08-25-2018, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by professorwho

Honorifics are fine in subtitles, depending on the project (I saw Night is Short by Yuasa and the main guy is referred to only by "Senpai", so instances like that are fine), but in a dub? Hearing bad voice acting with bad translations makes it even worse...

I agree.

>Not having honorifics in subs
Absolutely disgusting...

professorwho · 08-27-2018, 03:23 AM

Here's the stats for Sentai's release of No Game No Life Zero (from that well known anime site with cats in the name):

Video:
1080p MPEG-4 AVC
21.83 mbps AVG (21830 kbps)
30 mbps MAX

Audio:
Japanese DTS HD-MA 5.1 24-Bit 3727 kbps
English DTS HD-MA 5.1 24-Bit 3563 kbps
Spanish DTS HD-MA 5.1 24-Bit 3563 kbps

Surprised to see Spanish there, but besides that, I don't think anyone will complain about the audio. The video though?

Even though I don't own it or have never seen any screenshots, it's too low. The total size of the film is 24.7GB. Not sure if it's on a BD-25 or 50, as it could go either way, depending on if there are any extras. Regardless, that's too low for a film like that.

pikagreg · 08-27-2018, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by professorwho

Here's the stats for Sentai's release of No Game No Life Zero (from that well known anime site with cats in the name):

Video:
1080p MPEG-4 AVC
21.83 mbps AVG (21830 kbps)
30 mbps MAX

Audio:
Japanese DTS HD-MA 5.1 24-Bit 3727 kbps
English DTS HD-MA 5.1 24-Bit 3563 kbps
Spanish DTS HD-MA 5.1 24-Bit 3563 kbps

Surprised to see Spanish there, but besides that, I don't think anyone will complain about the audio. The video though?

Even though I don't own it or have never seen any screenshots, it's too low. The total size of the film is 24.7GB. Not sure if it's on a BD-25 or 50, as it could go either way, depending on if there are any extras. Regardless, that's too low for a film like that.

Has Kadokawa had a history of messing with Sentai stuff too? I enjoyed the movie while it was in theaters but at least it was cheap and has nice packaging if it ends up being a bust.

Lambadelta · 08-27-2018, 10:22 AM

The Japanese film release is about the same size.

Naiera · 08-27-2018, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by professorwho

Even though I don't own it or have never seen any screenshots, it's too low. The total size of the film is 24.7GB. Not sure if it's on a BD-25 or 50, as it could go either way, depending on if there are any extras. Regardless, that's too low for a film like that.

You can't put that much on a BD25.

Lambadelta · 08-27-2018, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by professorwho

Here's the stats for Sentai's release of No Game No Life Zero (from that well known anime site with cats in the name):

Video:
1080p MPEG-4 AVC
21.83 mbps AVG (21830 kbps)
30 mbps MAX

Audio:
Japanese DTS HD-MA 5.1 24-Bit 3727 kbps
English DTS HD-MA 5.1 24-Bit 3563 kbps
Spanish DTS HD-MA 5.1 24-Bit 3563 kbps

Surprised to see Spanish there, but besides that, I don't think anyone will complain about the audio. The video though?

Even though I don't own it or have never seen any screenshots, it's too low. The total size of the film is 24.7GB. Not sure if it's on a BD-25 or 50, as it could go either way, depending on if there are any extras. Regardless, that's too low for a film like that.

Here are the JP Versions specs

Disc 30.17GB
Film 27,940,992 M2TS size (23.5GB when ripped to mkv)

Video:
1080p MPEG-4 AVC
24.5mbps average (im not that good at getting average bitrate, but seemed to be what it averaged out as when I watched it)
31.7Mbps max

Audio:
Japanese 5.1 L-PCM 24bit 6,912 kbps

professorwho · 08-27-2018, 06:37 PM

Legend of the Galactic Heroes
(Sentai)

Before we even discuss picture quality, I have to talk about how the series was produced and its home video history- as failing to do so can give false expectations about what is being presented.

Legend of the Galactic Heroes is a 110 episode OVA series produced between 1988 and 1997. It was shot on 16mm film, being made on cels, and was originally released on both VHS and Laserdisc. When DVD started to become a thing, LOTGH was an early title, but to convince people to spend an insane amount of money on the new DVDs, several scenes from the first 2 seasons (the first 54 episodes) were reanimated from scratch. Not bad right?

Wrong. These were done digitally, and while not inherently bad, the character designs were different, the colours were wrong, and it looked cheaper than the cel artwork. As a result, these have been included in every release of the series onwards. There is NO way to view the original, and superior looking scenes without watching it on Laserdisc and/or VHS. And, as a result, because of that, the series is upscaled.

No HD scans were produced for the series, as that would be expensive, so the original scans used for the DVD release, and the original masters of the reanimated scenes were used for the Blu-ray.

With that out of the way...

Disc 1 (Episodes 1-8): 38.5GB

Episode 1: 4.51GB

Video:
1080i MPEG-4 AVC
21.6 mbps AVG
35 mbps MAX
3.75 GB

Audio:
Japanese DTS HD-MA 5.1 24-Bit 4418 kbps

Okay, first, the audio. On the packaging, Sentai lists Japanese DTS HD-MA 2.0, but it's actually the 5.1 mix created for the DVDs. It sounds great. Zero issues in terms of clarity. Not sure how well it utilizes all 6 channels, but I'm happy.

The video... being an upscale of what is an SD transfer of 16mm film, it looks as good as you can get. Clarity is good, lines are sharp and not aliased, grain is present, and colour is rich and vibrant. There is an inherent softness to upscaled content, but here it's okay. It's near perfect given the source...

That being said, I hate that it's interlaced. Not that it's interlaced over progressive, but due to frame rate. It's at a constant 29.97 fps and it looks kinda weird. I'm assuming this is because those ugly AF re-animated scenes were done at that frame rate, but in normal footage (everything not re-drawn) it looks weird, most prevalent in scenes with characters moving- it looks weird. Kind of distracting, but it's not the worst thing ever.

Overall, it is probably the best the show will ever look outside of a new HD remaster. I'm happy with it, but the interlacing being somewhat distracting, I'm not sure if this was present on the Japanese Blu-rays or not. While I've read they are 1080p, there is no definitive proof it was progressive from what I've found. If it is interlaced, then that must be a source thing. If not, Sentai might've been sent a somewhat inferior master.

Regardless, it's Legend of the Galactic Heroes. The greatest anime ever made (fight me), so it's something I'm happy to own.

Next time, I'll be looking at the movies, and then Gaiden.

Nostalgic Twilight · 08-27-2018, 06:44 PM

I re-read the old thread over at TFP, and the guys who imported it back in the day confirmed that the Japanese discs are also 1080i.

Lambadelta · 08-27-2018, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by professorwho

Regardless, it's Legend of the Galactic Heroes. The greatest anime ever made (fight me),

denied ;3

Greatest Anime ever made is obviously The Slayers :3

professorwho · 08-27-2018, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Lambadelta

Greatest Anime ever made is obviously The Slayers :3

Slayers is awesome. I agree. We need a BD here...

professorwho · 08-27-2018, 07:01 PM

Okay, there's one other thing. You know how the series gives the name and rank of a character when we first see them? Well, on the Laserdisc it was burned into the image, so when subbed, the Japanese text was still there. On the DVD and Blu-ray, I assume it's a subtitle file, as the fansubs of the BD have them replaced with English.

Here, they don't show up. Yeah, I don't see them. There's only one subtitle track, and they don't show up in places where they're supposed to. Not sure if it's intentional on Sentai's part, or if it was a mistake, but I want to make it aware.

Lambadelta · 08-27-2018, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by professorwho

Slayers is awesome. I agree. We need a BD here...

The Blu-ray set for the Films and OVA is just fantastic.

professorwho · 08-27-2018, 08:14 PM

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNND the movies are upscales. Not the HD versions.

Movie 1 looks like s**t. The series upscale is good, probably because it had a good SD source to begin with. This is f**king horrible.

Granted, it's from VLC and it's not 100% accurate to how it would look on a TV, and Imgur converted it to a JPEG, but damn is it ugly.

Sentai encoded it at 29.3 mbps, which is higher than almost all of their releases. They knew they had a poor source, and even with a high bitrate, it looks horrible.

Still looks better than Re:Zero, to me, at least...

Gorgon · 08-27-2018, 08:49 PM

^^ I certainly don't as yet have enough "thread cred" to offer any sort of expert opinion but, I would think they did the best job possible with what they have?

Quote: "Sentai encoded it at 29.3 mbps, which is higher than almost all of their releases. They knew they had a poor source, and even with a high bitrate, it looks horrible."

08-25-2018, 06:57 PM	#2244
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	I'm gonna be working on a cool project- make the definitive version of 1988's Akira. Best video, all audio options. I don't own any version of the film, but the releases out are cheap so I'll pick them up soon. Here's what I know, and the stats so far: Video is sourced from the 2018 Dynit Italian BD, because it is not windowboxed (like the FUNi version) and has the highest bitrate (which mp3dom says is around 32 mbps). Audio: Japanese Dolby TrueHD 5.1 24-Bit 192 kHz 14340 kbps (Bandai BD) Japanese LPCM 2.0 16-Bit 48 kHz 1536 kbps (Bandai BD) Japanese Dolby Digital 5.1 48 kHz 640 kbps (Bandai BD) (2001 Dub) English Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16-Bit 96 kHz 2045 kbps (FUNimation BD) (1989 Dub) English Dolby TrueHD 2.0 16-Bit 96 kHz 1323 kbps (FUNimation BD) Total Audio Bitrate: 19884 kbps (19.88 mbps) Obviously it won't fit on a Blu-ray disc. It'll be over 50GB easily, and the bitrate limit would not support this. The hardest part would be syncing the audio and subtitles to the video, but it would make for a cool project. With all the options, nobody would be left out.

08-27-2018, 03:23 AM	#2248
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	Here's the stats for Sentai's release of No Game No Life Zero (from that well known anime site with cats in the name): Video: 1080p MPEG-4 AVC 21.83 mbps AVG (21830 kbps) 30 mbps MAX Audio: Japanese DTS HD-MA 5.1 24-Bit 3727 kbps English DTS HD-MA 5.1 24-Bit 3563 kbps Spanish DTS HD-MA 5.1 24-Bit 3563 kbps Surprised to see Spanish there, but besides that, I don't think anyone will complain about the audio. The video though? Even though I don't own it or have never seen any screenshots, it's too low. The total size of the film is 24.7GB. Not sure if it's on a BD-25 or 50, as it could go either way, depending on if there are any extras. Regardless, that's too low for a film like that.

08-27-2018, 10:22 AM	#2250
Lambadelta Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Dec 2016 4K collection:12 Blu-ray collection:306 DVD collection:45	The Japanese film release is about the same size.

08-27-2018, 06:37 PM	#2253
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	Legend of the Galactic Heroes (Sentai) Before we even discuss picture quality, I have to talk about how the series was produced and its home video history- as failing to do so can give false expectations about what is being presented. Legend of the Galactic Heroes is a 110 episode OVA series produced between 1988 and 1997. It was shot on 16mm film, being made on cels, and was originally released on both VHS and Laserdisc. When DVD started to become a thing, LOTGH was an early title, but to convince people to spend an insane amount of money on the new DVDs, several scenes from the first 2 seasons (the first 54 episodes) were reanimated from scratch. Not bad right? Wrong. These were done digitally, and while not inherently bad, the character designs were different, the colours were wrong, and it looked cheaper than the cel artwork. As a result, these have been included in every release of the series onwards. There is NO way to view the original, and superior looking scenes without watching it on Laserdisc and/or VHS. And, as a result, because of that, the series is upscaled. No HD scans were produced for the series, as that would be expensive, so the original scans used for the DVD release, and the original masters of the reanimated scenes were used for the Blu-ray. With that out of the way... Disc 1 (Episodes 1-8): 38.5GB Episode 1: 4.51GB Video: 1080i MPEG-4 AVC 21.6 mbps AVG 35 mbps MAX 3.75 GB Audio: Japanese DTS HD-MA 5.1 24-Bit 4418 kbps Okay, first, the audio. On the packaging, Sentai lists Japanese DTS HD-MA 2.0, but it's actually the 5.1 mix created for the DVDs. It sounds great. Zero issues in terms of clarity. Not sure how well it utilizes all 6 channels, but I'm happy. The video... being an upscale of what is an SD transfer of 16mm film, it looks as good as you can get. Clarity is good, lines are sharp and not aliased, grain is present, and colour is rich and vibrant. There is an inherent softness to upscaled content, but here it's okay. It's near perfect given the source... That being said, I hate that it's interlaced. Not that it's interlaced over progressive, but due to frame rate. It's at a constant 29.97 fps and it looks kinda weird. I'm assuming this is because those ugly AF re-animated scenes were done at that frame rate, but in normal footage (everything not re-drawn) it looks weird, most prevalent in scenes with characters moving- it looks weird. Kind of distracting, but it's not the worst thing ever. Overall, it is probably the best the show will ever look outside of a new HD remaster. I'm happy with it, but the interlacing being somewhat distracting, I'm not sure if this was present on the Japanese Blu-rays or not. While I've read they are 1080p, there is no definitive proof it was progressive from what I've found. If it is interlaced, then that must be a source thing. If not, Sentai might've been sent a somewhat inferior master. Regardless, it's Legend of the Galactic Heroes. The greatest anime ever made (fight me), so it's something I'm happy to own. Next time, I'll be looking at the movies, and then Gaiden.

08-27-2018, 06:44 PM	#2254
Nostalgic Twilight Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2015 Location:USA Blu-ray collection:436 DVD collection:390 Trading Score:20	I re-read the old thread over at TFP, and the guys who imported it back in the day confirmed that the Japanese discs are also 1080i.

08-27-2018, 07:01 PM	#2257
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	Okay, there's one other thing. You know how the series gives the name and rank of a character when we first see them? Well, on the Laserdisc it was burned into the image, so when subbed, the Japanese text was still there. On the DVD and Blu-ray, I assume it's a subtitle file, as the fansubs of the BD have them replaced with English. Here, they don't show up. Yeah, I don't see them. There's only one subtitle track, and they don't show up in places where they're supposed to. Not sure if it's intentional on Sentai's part, or if it was a mistake, but I want to make it aware.

08-27-2018, 08:14 PM	#2259
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNND the movies are upscales. Not the HD versions. Movie 1 looks like st. The series upscale is good, probably because it had a good SD source to begin with. This is fking horrible. Granted, it's from VLC and it's not 100% accurate to how it would look on a TV, and Imgur converted it to a JPEG, but damn is it ugly. Sentai encoded it at 29.3 mbps, which is higher than almost all of their releases. They knew they had a poor source, and even with a high bitrate, it looks horrible. Still looks better than Re:Zero, to me, at least...

08-27-2018, 08:49 PM	#2260
Gorgon Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2015 Location:Great White North Trading Score:32	^^ I certainly don't as yet have enough "thread cred" to offer any sort of expert opinion but, I would think they did the best job possible with what they have? Quote: "Sentai encoded it at 29.3 mbps, which is higher than almost all of their releases. They knew they had a poor source, and even with a high bitrate, it looks horrible."

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