The Anime Blu-ray Video Quality Thread - Page 117 - Blu-ray Forum

professorwho · 09-17-2018, 02:25 AM

Yeah, I'm up late. I do know they don't author them in Japan, and I'm aware of how bad the presentation of the Eupho 2 packaging is. I've been acting weird today, so maybe that's it...

Also, I think I heard somewhere the price difference wasn't that much, but I'll have to research it more and find a reliable source. Oh well.

Time for bed for me. This is what happens when I'm late... my brain goes all bad.

Naiera · 09-17-2018, 03:19 AM

You be trippin’, friend.

professorwho · 09-17-2018, 10:40 AM

It was BD-50s.

Source

professorwho · 09-17-2018, 10:51 AM

And yeah, I have no idea what I was thinking last night. I had a hard day, so yeah...

Now I’m back to being normal.

Naiera · 09-17-2018, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by professorwho

It was BD-50s.

Source

Well, he did say it was probably BD25s

husky1993a · 09-17-2018, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Naiera

Well, he did say it was probably BD25s

I own the discs and just checked last night. Total size for everything hovers around 30GB.

Robbl · 09-17-2018, 04:44 PM

AL lists Eupho with the OVA + 7 bonus episodes which summed up are 21 minutes, basically 6 eopisodes on disc 2 + NCED and NCOP. I seriously hope disc 2 won't be a BD25

professorwho · 09-17-2018, 04:47 PM

I hope so too, but it’s listed as a 9/4 split- not including said OVA and bonuses. So I wouldn’t keep your hopes up.

Robbl · 09-17-2018, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by professorwho

I hope so too, but it’s listed as a 9/4 split- not including said OVA and bonuses. So I wouldn’t keep your hopes up.

I still don't see where it's listed that way.

professorwho · 09-17-2018, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbl

I still don't see where it's listed that way.

Here

Robbl · 09-17-2018, 05:23 PM

Kiznaiver was listed as a 9/3 split as well in the render but was actually a 6/6 split so here's hoping

Mangaranga · 09-17-2018, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by professorwho

It was BD-50s.

Source

Interesting that Justin noted he didn't do the Season 2 BDs. Do we have any idea who did?

professorwho · 09-17-2018, 09:26 PM

So, can anyone post stats of the FUNi Yamato 2199 set?

It's on 2 BD-50s so it should look good. I can use it to compare to the Japanese and Italian releases.

Thankfully, the Database has correct entries for the Japanese releases. Which has an average bitrate of 37.97 mbps with LPCM 2.0 24-Bit audio.

The Italian release (the 2 set release by Dynit) is better, as it has mp3dom, and averages 39.35 mbps!, which is the highest bitrate I've seen on Blu-ray (other than that one disc that was done at a consistent 40 and couldn't play on some players, so that doesn't count).

The only other 39 mbps bitrate disc I've heard of is Toho's The Night is Short, Walk on Girl at a whopping 39.01 mbps.

No way can FUNi get close to mp3dom territory, but I'm sure Yamato 2199 looks okay.

dlb99 · 09-18-2018, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by professorwho

So, can anyone post stats of the FUNi Yamato 2199 set?

It's on 2 BD-50s so it should look good. I can use it to compare to the Japanese and Italian releases.

Thankfully, the Database has correct entries for the Japanese releases. Which has an average bitrate of 37.97 mbps with LPCM 2.0 24-Bit audio.

The Italian release (the 2 set release by Dynit) is better, as it has mp3dom, and averages 39.35 mbps!, which is the highest bitrate I've seen on Blu-ray (other than that one disc that was done at a consistent 40 and couldn't play on some players, so that doesn't count).

The only other 39 mbps bitrate disc I've heard of is Toho's The Night is Short, Walk on Girl at a whopping 39.01 mbps.

No way can FUNi get close to mp3dom territory, but I'm sure Yamato 2199 looks okay.

Using raw numbers of 39mbps is higher than 38mbps hence the picture should look better ignores the reality of diminishing returns and differing AVC implementations and compression settings.

AVC implementations have been refined over the past couple years.

These days a good multi-pass encoder in the hands of an experienced compressionist should yield excellent 1080p Blu-ray results in the 20-25mbps range.

I suggest not falling prey to the pure numbers game.

P.S. I am not saying that Funimations have not had issues in the past, they have had.

SeaFox · 09-18-2018, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by dlb99

These days a good multi-pass encoder in the hands of an experienced compressionist should yield excellent 1080p Blu-ray results in the 20-25mbps range.

> implying Funimation hires good compressionists

Naiera · 09-18-2018, 02:33 AM

When FUNi actually makes a good/great disc (like the first Hyouka one) once in a while, it's by accident.

The new trend of 6/6 splits that a few series have gotten might be signalling a change, but up until six months or so ago, FUNi only did good by happenstance.

professorwho · 09-18-2018, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by dlb99

ignores the reality of diminishing returns and differing AVC implementations and compression settings.

You think I don't know that? Nowhere in there did I say Bitrate determines PQ- it doesn't. I was just saying that mp3dom is a better compressionist who uses the disc space correctly.

FUNimation are idiots with monkeys running the show. They've made a few good looking releases, but 90% of their output has issues in terms of compression ranging from minor to OH MY GOD IT'S THE WORST BLU-RAY EVER.

dlb99 · 09-18-2018, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SeaFox

> implying Funimation hires good compressionists

Things could well improve.

Funimation is now part of Sony and Sony Pictures films (especially on 4K Blu-ray) are bar-none the best in the business.

We shall see if Blu-ray production for Funimation shifts from Texas to Los Angeles down the road.

dlb99 · 09-18-2018, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by professorwho

FUNimation are idiots with monkeys running the show. They've made a few good looking releases, but 90% of their output has issues in terms of compression ranging from minor to OH MY GOD IT'S THE WORST BLU-RAY EVER.

Sentai have been worse (aka Penguindrum).

I recently watched Cowboy Bebop and Escaflowne Funimation releases. Both seem fine without any obvious obnoxious issues.

But I do agree there have been some bad Funimation releases such as Lain and Stein's Gate.

professorwho · 09-18-2018, 02:47 AM

Escalowne looks amazing, but Bebop is bad. De-grained, then smeared, then re-grained with artifical grain. Plus, the 30fps stuff is slowed down, so there's interlacing artifacts.

Sentai is way better now. SNAFU 2 is practically flawless with zero compression artifacts whatsoever. Best western encode anime BD I've seen.

Worst FUNi release is either Psycho Pass Season 1, Steins;Gate, or Re:Zero. Fitting how shows I hate get bad Blu-rays... but it still sucks that they're abominations of the Blu-ray format.

09-17-2018, 02:25 AM	#2321
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	Yeah, I'm up late. I do know they don't author them in Japan, and I'm aware of how bad the presentation of the Eupho 2 packaging is. I've been acting weird today, so maybe that's it... Also, I think I heard somewhere the price difference wasn't that much, but I'll have to research it more and find a reliable source. Oh well. Time for bed for me. This is what happens when I'm late... my brain goes all bad.

09-17-2018, 03:19 AM	#2322
Naiera Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:2 Trading Score:25	You be trippin’, friend.

09-17-2018, 10:40 AM	#2323
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	It was BD-50s. Source

09-17-2018, 10:51 AM	#2324
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	And yeah, I have no idea what I was thinking last night. I had a hard day, so yeah... Now I’m back to being normal.

09-17-2018, 04:44 PM	#2327
Robbl Active Member Member since:Jan 2018	AL lists Eupho with the OVA + 7 bonus episodes which summed up are 21 minutes, basically 6 eopisodes on disc 2 + NCED and NCOP. I seriously hope disc 2 won't be a BD25

09-17-2018, 04:47 PM	#2328
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	I hope so too, but it’s listed as a 9/4 split- not including said OVA and bonuses. So I wouldn’t keep your hopes up.

09-17-2018, 05:23 PM	#2331
Robbl Active Member Member since:Jan 2018	Kiznaiver was listed as a 9/3 split as well in the render but was actually a 6/6 split so here's hoping

09-17-2018, 09:26 PM	#2333
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	So, can anyone post stats of the FUNi Yamato 2199 set? It's on 2 BD-50s so it should look good. I can use it to compare to the Japanese and Italian releases. Thankfully, the Database has correct entries for the Japanese releases. Which has an average bitrate of 37.97 mbps with LPCM 2.0 24-Bit audio. The Italian release (the 2 set release by Dynit) is better, as it has mp3dom, and averages 39.35 mbps!, which is the highest bitrate I've seen on Blu-ray (other than that one disc that was done at a consistent 40 and couldn't play on some players, so that doesn't count). The only other 39 mbps bitrate disc I've heard of is Toho's The Night is Short, Walk on Girl at a whopping 39.01 mbps. No way can FUNi get close to mp3dom territory, but I'm sure Yamato 2199 looks okay.

09-18-2018, 02:33 AM	#2336
Naiera Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:2 Trading Score:25	When FUNi actually makes a good/great disc (like the first Hyouka one) once in a while, it's by accident. The new trend of 6/6 splits that a few series have gotten might be signalling a change, but up until six months or so ago, FUNi only did good by happenstance.

09-18-2018, 02:47 AM	#2340
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	Escalowne looks amazing, but Bebop is bad. De-grained, then smeared, then re-grained with artifical grain. Plus, the 30fps stuff is slowed down, so there's interlacing artifacts. Sentai is way better now. SNAFU 2 is practically flawless with zero compression artifacts whatsoever. Best western encode anime BD I've seen. Worst FUNi release is either Psycho Pass Season 1, Steins;Gate, or Re:Zero. Fitting how shows I hate get bad Blu-rays... but it still sucks that they're abominations of the Blu-ray format.

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